Can I filter out cross posts?

[Todd and Margo Chester]

Hi All,

Is there a way to filter out posts that are
sent to multiple groups?

Many thanks,
-T

[gla...@linuxuser.iam]

On 01/02/2012 05:20 AM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Is there a way to filter out posts that are sent to multiple groups?

-=-

you will have to decide which newsgroup to set filter to.

set filter up with;

filter name = delete cross posts [or what ever]
field name = newsgroups
contains = ,
preform these actions = delete


hth.
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peace out.

tc, hago.

walking the walk. long live tux.

g
.

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[gla...@linuxuser.iam]

*oops*

glad i read what i post. :)

On 01/02/2012 05:56 AM, gla...@linuxuser.iam wrote:
> On 01/02/2012 05:20 AM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Is there a way to filter out posts that are sent to multiple groups?
> -=-
>
> you will have to decide which newsgroup to set filter to.
>
> set filter up with;
>
> filter name = delete cross posts [or what ever]
> field name = newsgroups

-=-

above should read;

field name = Newsgroups:

> contains = ,
-=-

and that is a comma, "," which separates newsgroup names. [i ran a test]

[Todd and Margo Chester]

On 01/01/2012 10:10 PM, gla...@linuxuser.iam wrote:
>
> *oops*
>
> glad i read what i post. :)
>
> On 01/02/2012 05:56 AM, gla...@linuxuser.iam wrote:
>> On 01/02/2012 05:20 AM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Is there a way to filter out posts that are sent to multiple groups?
>> -=-
>>
>> you will have to decide which newsgroup to set filter to.
>>
>> set filter up with;
>>
>> filter name = delete cross posts [or what ever]
>> field name = newsgroups
> -=-
>
> above should read;
>
> field name = Newsgroups:
>
>> contains = ,
> -=-
>
> and that is a comma, "," which separates newsgroup names. [i ran a test]
>
>> preform these actions = delete
>>
>>
>> hth.
>

Hi Glad,

I want one particular group to pass through, but not
if the post is sent to multiple groups. I will not be in
possession of the names of the other groups (they change a lot).

-T

[Ron Hunter]

You can set a filter to look for the comma between the groups in the
header....

[Ron Hunter]

Then filter for the group you want, and the comma.

[gla...@linuxuser.iam]

On 01/02/2012 07:46 AM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
<>


> I want one particular group to pass through, but not if the post is sent
> to multiple groups. I will not be in possession of the names of the other
> groups (they change a lot).

-=-

it is still similar.

in each group not to keep, using just entries across field lines;

(*) match all

Newsgroup: Contains ,
Newsgroup: Contains ngtokeep

Delete


if that is too terse, let me know, i will send you a snapshot.

[David E. Ross]

What I think you might need is for bug #43278 to be fixed. This worked
in Netscape 4.7. See
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43278>, which was
submitted over 10 years ago but is still not fixed.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.

Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive
bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation.
� 1997 by David E. Ross

[Lu Wei]

On 2012-1-2 14:10, gla...@linuxuser.iam wrote:
> above should read;
>
> field name = Newsgroups:
>
>> contains = ,
> -=-
>
> and that is a comma, "," which separates newsgroup names. [i ran a test]
>
>> preform these actions = delete

What should I do if I want to filter out those cross-posted to more than
3 groups?


--
Regards,
Lu Wei
PGP key ID: 0x92CCE1EA

[Ron Hunter]

On 4/3/2012 7:40 AM, Lu Wei wrote:
> On 2012-1-2 14:10, gla...@linuxuser.iam wrote:
>> above should read;
>>
>> field name = Newsgroups:
>>
>>> contains = ,
>> -=-
>>
>> and that is a comma, "," which separates newsgroup names. [i ran a test]
>>
>>> preform these actions = delete
>
> What should I do if I want to filter out those cross-posted to more than
> 3 groups?
>
>

Set a filer to watch for more than 3 commas in the newsgroups header.

[Mike Easter]

Lu Wei wrote:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327
Thunderbird/11.0.1 Hamster-Pg/1.25.2.0

> What should I do if I want to filter out those cross-posted to more than
> 3 groups?

Unlike many other news agents with more powerful filters, Tb doesn't do
regular expressions, wildcards, or scoring.

However, that looks like Hamster Playground in your headers. Hamster
has more powers.


--
Mike Easter

[Lu Wei]

I set a filter "Newsgroups:", "contains", ",," or ",*,", seems no effects.

[Lu Wei]

Yes. I just added a new group in Hamster Playground, and found that
group has lots of cross-posts (I forget to copy my old machine's Hamster
setup to this new one). I have setup Xpost rule in Hamster now, but I
think maybe I can deal with those already-downloaded-crosspost using TB
(Hamster can do this, but need some script work).

[James Silverton]

Yes, that works with the customize option already mentioned for setting up.

--

James Silverton ( NOT not.jim.silverton)

[th]

David E. Ross wrote 2012-01-02 17:51:
> On 1/1/12 9:20 PM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Is there a way to filter out posts that are
>> sent to multiple groups?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>
> What I think you might need is for bug #43278 to be fixed. This worked
> in Netscape 4.7. See
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43278>, which was
> submitted over 10 years ago but is still not fixed.
>

And this was the main reason for not using Netscape as news reader since
even Outlook Express had that function!

--
th

[Mike Easter]

th wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote 2012-01-02 17:51:

>> Todd wrote:

>>> Is there a way to filter out posts that are
>>> sent to multiple groups?

Todd is wishing for a convenient way to filter on the wildcard group
names separated by (multiple/ more than none) commas in the newsgroups
line or the wildcard group names separated by colons in the Xref line.

This could be done by something like the nfilter/newsproxy between Tb
and the server or with an intermediate app such as Hamster (for Win) or
leafnode for linux.

>> What I think you might need is for bug #43278 to be fixed. This worked
>> in Netscape 4.7. See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43278>, which was
>> submitted over 10 years ago but is still not fixed.

That bug is about Tb failing to mark as read a message which has been
read in one group but not yet another "Crossposts (same Message-ID) not
marked as read in other newsgroups"

That is a very important bug which should be fixed, but...

> And this was the main reason for not using Netscape as news reader since
> even Outlook Express had that function!

OE recognizes as read a previously read message in another group. Its
message rules are quite incompetent to be helpful at filtering a message
'in the first place' because it is crossposted.

I consider those issues/deficiencies in Tb to be both separate/different
and both important.

Filtering the message 'in the first place' because it is crossposted is
quite a different issue from not wanting to see it again as unread in
the 'second place' (or third place and so on).

An ideal newsreader which Tb is not would be able to do both of those
functions, filter the crossposted message in the first place and
recognize the same message marked as read in one group to be marked as
read in some other crossposted group.

Tb is a mail agent which also does news, not a 'real' news agent with
strong filters with regex, wildcards, and scoring.

It also doesn't properly/compliantly implement format=flowed even though
it claims to and stamps its headers as if it were compliant.


--
Mike Easter

[James Silverton]

Really, in Thunderbird, a custom choice of Newsgroups, containing, ,
seems to work to eliminate cross posts. That is, the contained symbol is
just a comma and the action is Delete.

[goodwin]

On 01/02/2013 02:30 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

> It also doesn't properly/compliantly implement format=flowed

1st time in 2013 for FF kvetch :)

[Christoph Schmees]

sounds interesting, but it seems I cannot follow you here. Could
you elaborate a bit, please?

Christoph

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[James Silverton]

Basically, I have a rule that says Newsgroups contains ,
Delete message.

You have to Customize to put in the word Newsgroups.

[Christoph Schmees]

ah - got it! thank you.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Just so you realize that if you filter on existence of "comma" that you
will not see such posts in *any* group. You'll miss it completely.

--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high

[goodwin]

On 01/04/2013 02:08 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Christoph Schmees wrote:
>
>> On 03.01.2013 23:39, James Silverton wrote:
>>> Basically, I have a rule that says Newsgroups contains ,
>>> Delete message.
>>>
>>> You have to Customize to put in the word Newsgroups.
>>
>> ah - got it! thank you.
>
> Just so you realize that if you filter on existence of "comma" that you
> will not see such posts in *any* group. You'll miss it completely.
>

Thats if you create the filter for the server, right?

[James Silverton]

On 1/4/2013 5:08 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Christoph Schmees wrote:
>
>> On 03.01.2013 23:39, James Silverton wrote:
>>> Basically, I have a rule that says Newsgroups contains ,
>>> Delete message.
>>>
>>> You have to Customize to put in the word Newsgroups.
>>
>> ah - got it! thank you.
>
> Just so you realize that if you filter on existence of "comma" that you
> will not see such posts in *any* group. You'll miss it completely.
>

You can set up the rule on a particular news group as opposed to the server.

[Ron K.]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty on 1/4/2013 5:08 PM, keyboarded a reply:

> Christoph Schmees wrote:
>
>> On 03.01.2013 23:39, James Silverton wrote:
>>> Basically, I have a rule that says Newsgroups contains ,
>>> Delete message.
>>>
>>> You have to Customize to put in the word Newsgroups.
>>
>> ah - got it! thank you.
>
> Just so you realize that if you filter on existence of "comma" that you
> will not see such posts in *any* group. You'll miss it completely.
>

Been following this thread and the custom header "newsgroups" with a ","
selector has flaws. True, if the rule is at the server level it will
hide all cross-postings. The Filter will even do this at the group level
with a group rule.

What I have wanted is a rule that shows a post in only one of the
x-posting list of groups shown in the newsgroups header. Thought of
using "groupname," and realized it needed to be a multifunction filter
which probably requires regex to work. Idea being "groupname," would be
a show post action, followed by actions to hide or delete.

--
Ron K.
Who is General Failure, and why is he searching my HDD?
Kernel Restore reported Major Error used BSOD to msg the enemy!

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Back in January 2012, the original poster (Todd) did not specify that he
wanted to filter crossposts which were appearing in a particular single
newsgroup, thus indicating that he wanted to dispense with *all*
crossposted posts. Using only "comma" will hide such posts in all the
groups the post appears.

If such a filter is set at a "group" level, the post will still be unseen.

For more sophisticated filtering, a real newsreader is needed, as alluded
to by Ron K.

[gla...@linuxuser.iam]

On 01/05/2013 12:25 AM, Ron K. wrote:
<>

> What I have wanted is a rule that shows a post in only one of the
> x-posting list of groups shown in the newsgroups header. Thought of
> using "groupname," and realized it needed to be a multifunction filter
> which probably requires regex to work. Idea being "groupname," would be
> a show post action, followed by actions to hide or delete.

if you are trying to filter a certain cross post, you might try;

(X) Match all of the following
[ Header ] [ contains ] [ , ]
[ Header ] [ contains ] [ "cross post group name ]

Perform these actions:
[ Delete Message ]

it is a swag. i have never tried such, tho it seems logical. maybe.

--

peace out.

tc.hago,

g
.

[Lu Wei]

On 2012-4-4 16:23, Chris Ramsden wrote:
>
> <snip>

>
>> I set a filter "Newsgroups:", "contains", ",," or ",*,", seems no
>> effects.
>>
>

> I have noticed that the + character in particular cannot be matched in
> TB's filters - it crops up in gmail "disposable" addresses. This
> suggests that there might be some wildcards handling in the filters
> code, but I don't know of any documentation, so we can only guess at the
> significance of this, what other characters might receive special
> treatment and how such might be escaped. The period would seem to be a
> likely candidate for special significance.
>
> The Filtaquilla add-on provides some regex capability, so with this in
> place you're back into well-documented and predictable territory. ;)
>
> Chris.
>
For some other reasons I recalled this thread and installed Filtaquilla,
then find Filtaquilla's extended filter ability only applies to mail
folder, not newsgroup. :(

[Ron Hunter]

I believe the suggestion was to filter on a comma in the newsgroups field.

[James Silverton]

That works but it removes *all* cross posting.

[Mike Easter]

Lu Wei wrote:
> On 2012-4-4 16:23, Chris Ramsden wrote:

Citing a message from over a year ago isn't a good style.

In reality, at this late date you are starting a new thread and if you
want to reference all of the conversation in the old thread you might
find the thread in googlegroups and make a link to it.

https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/browse_frm/thread/e298399e8cb3e7a1/e8e978db64cc6770?hl=en#e8e978db64cc6770


30 messages
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:20:09 -0800
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.thunderbird
Subject: Can I filter out cross posts?
and
Subject: Can I filter out cross posts to more than 3 groups?

>>> I set a filter "Newsgroups:", "contains", ",," or ",*,", seems no
>>> effects.
>>>
>>
>> I have noticed that the + character in particular cannot be matched in
>> TB's filters - it crops up in gmail "disposable" addresses. This
>> suggests that there might be some wildcards handling in the filters
>> code, but I don't know of any documentation, so we can only guess at the
>> significance of this, what other characters might receive special
>> treatment and how such might be escaped. The period would seem to be a
>> likely candidate for special significance.
>>
>> The Filtaquilla add-on provides some regex capability, so with this in
>> place you're back into well-documented and predictable territory. ;)

> For some other reasons I recalled this thread and installed Filtaquilla,
> then find Filtaquilla's extended filter ability only applies to mail
> folder, not newsgroup. :(

As a Windows user, if you want to add more powerful filtering abilities
to Tb, you need some way to get regex and wildcards and scoring, none of
which Tb has, such as using Nfilter/NewsProxy between Tb and the news
server/s.

http://www.fitnwell.net/nfilter.htm What about using NewsProxy/Nfilter
for MS Windows?

Unfortunately the old links in that article are broken. Here are some
that still work.

http://acfwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/1310974/Filtering%20with%20NewsProxy
Download NewsProxy (nfilter_120.exe) here. http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter
View NewsProxy (nfilter) tutorial here.
http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter/nfilter_faq_modified.html



--
Mike Easter

[Lu Wei]

On 2013-5-18 22:58, Mike Easter wrote:
> Lu Wei wrote:
>> On 2012-4-4 16:23, Chris Ramsden wrote:
>
> Citing a message from over a year ago isn't a good style.
>
> In reality, at this late date you are starting a new thread and if you
> want to reference all of the conversation in the old thread you might
> find the thread in googlegroups and make a link to it.
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/browse_frm/thread/e298399e8cb3e7a1/e8e978db64cc6770?hl=en#e8e978db64cc6770
>

I have a habit to search the group before posting, and since I have the
thread in my local computer, I'd rather not open a new thread without
new questions. Reply to ancient articles is a feature of Usenet!

>
>
> As a Windows user, if you want to add more powerful filtering abilities
> to Tb, you need some way to get regex and wildcards and scoring, none of
> which Tb has, such as using Nfilter/NewsProxy between Tb and the news
> server/s.
>
> http://www.fitnwell.net/nfilter.htm What about using NewsProxy/Nfilter
> for MS Windows?
>
> Unfortunately the old links in that article are broken. Here are some
> that still work.
>
> http://acfwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/1310974/Filtering%20with%20NewsProxy
> Download NewsProxy (nfilter_120.exe) here. http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter
> View NewsProxy (nfilter) tutorial here.
> http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter/nfilter_faq_modified.html
>

Thank you for the info. Having dealt with cross posts using Hamster, I
will not try those for the time being, but may think of it after a year
and revive this thread. :)