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churin

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Aug 8, 2011, 9:54:19 PM8/8/11
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I am looking for information on how to manage profile of Thunderbird
installed on OS X. Could anyone direct me to something similar to the
following but for Thunderbird?
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Managing-profiles#os=mac&browser=fx5

Chris Ilias

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Aug 8, 2011, 9:57:21 PM8/8/11
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g

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Aug 8, 2011, 10:37:57 PM8/8/11
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On 08/09/2011 01:57 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 11-08-08 9:54 PM, churin wrote:
>> I am looking for information on how to manage profile of Thunderbird
>> installed on OS X. Could anyone direct me to something similar to the
>> following but for Thunderbird?
>> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Managing-profiles#os=mac&browser=fx5
>
> http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/using-multiple-profiles#os=mac&browser=tb5


in addition;

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Changing_Profile_Folder_Location

if you want to _move_ your profile. ;)

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churin

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Aug 9, 2011, 11:24:21 AM8/9/11
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On 8/8/2011 10:37 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/09/2011 01:57 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 11-08-08 9:54 PM, churin wrote:
>>> I am looking for information on how to manage profile of Thunderbird
>>> installed on OS X. Could anyone direct me to something similar to the
>>> following but for Thunderbird?
>>> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Managing-profiles#os=mac&browser=fx5
>>
>> http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/using-multiple-profiles#os=mac&browser=tb5
>
>
> in addition;
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Changing_Profile_Folder_Location
>
> if you want to _move_ your profile. ;)
>
Thanks Chris Ilias and g for your responses.
I typed on the Terminal as the instructions but "No such file or
directory" was returned. Is it because I have not created any account?

What I want to do is to resume using the Thunderbird on OS X as I am
using the TBird on Windows 7. This means that the profile info has to be
transferred to the TBird on OS X from the TBird on Windows 7. I know how
to transfer the Profile if the target machine is running Windows OS.

What is the procedure to do the above?

g

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Aug 9, 2011, 11:55:06 AM8/9/11
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On 08/09/2011 03:24 PM, churin wrote:
<> On 8/8/2011 10:37 PM, g wrote:
>> On 08/09/2011 01:57 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:
<>

welcome.

> I typed on the Terminal as the instructions but "No such file or
> directory" was returned. Is it because I have not created any account?

if no account, no directory.

> What I want to do is to resume using the Thunderbird on OS X as I am
> using the TBird on Windows 7. This means that the profile info has to be
> transferred to the TBird on OS X from the TBird on Windows 7. I know how
> to transfer the Profile if the target machine is running Windows OS.
>
> What is the procedure to do the above?

this link should help;

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder_-_Thunderbird

if there is a 'support' link, i believe chris will provide it after he
wakes up. :)

'support' has a lot of new building and i have not read and bookmarked
them yet.

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Chris Ilias

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Aug 9, 2011, 2:17:21 PM8/9/11
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If you get "No such file or directory", you may have entered it wrong.
Here's a trick to avoid typos when opening the profile manager:
1. Use the Finder to go to the Thunderbird app.
2. Control-click on Thunderbird, and select "Show Package Contents".
That should open a new Finder window, with the contents of the
Thunderbird app.
3. In that new Finder window, navigate to /Contents/, then /MacOS/.
4. From there, drag the file "thunderbird-bin" to the terminal window.
It should paste the location of that file in the Terminal console.
5. From that point, just add a space then "-p" and press <Return>.
The command should something like this:
/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/MacOS/thunderbird-bin -p

And of course, make sure Thunderbird is not running when you run the
command.

churin

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Aug 10, 2011, 6:28:15 PM8/10/11
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Thanks for your detailed instructions. Now I have created an account
placed its profile in a data partition.
How can I transfer the Thunderbird's profile on Windows 7 to the profile
folder on the OS X?

Ron Hunter

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Aug 10, 2011, 9:49:41 PM8/10/11
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Copy CONTENTS of the Win7 profile folder, to the OS X folder. I don't
know if that will cause path problems, but other things should work.

g

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Aug 10, 2011, 11:21:47 PM8/10/11
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On 08/11/2011 01:49 AM, Ron Hunter wrote:
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> Copy CONTENTS of the Win7 profile folder, to the OS X folder. I don't
> know if that will cause path problems, but other things should work.

yes there can/will be problems, see;

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Thunderbird
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Menu_differences_in_Windows%2C_Linux%2C_and_Mac

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churin

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Aug 11, 2011, 10:59:51 AM8/11/11
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On 8/10/2011 11:21 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/11/2011 01:49 AM, Ron Hunter wrote:
> <>
>
>> Copy CONTENTS of the Win7 profile folder, to the OS X folder. I don't
>> know if that will cause path problems, but other things should work.
>
> yes there can/will be problems, see;
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Thunderbird
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Menu_differences_in_Windows%2C_Linux%2C_and_Mac
>
I wonder if there is one such reference which is dedicated to
transferring the TBird's profile from Windws to Mac OS X.

Greywolf

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Aug 11, 2011, 11:12:27 AM8/11/11
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> transferring the TBird's profile from Windows to Mac OS X.

Just copy the Windows profile to Mac/Linux Tbird directory, then move
and/or edit profiles.ini to show the correct path.

Eg, I moved profile from Win 7 to Linux, easy edit of profiles.ini to
specify correct path: in Win, profiles.ini is outside Profiles, so path
is "Profiles/[default]", in Linux profiles.ini is inside, so path is
"[default]".

HTH
Wolf K.

churin

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Aug 11, 2011, 12:02:45 PM8/11/11
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I did just that. Now I do not see profiles.ini in them. Do you mean
prefs.js?

g

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Aug 11, 2011, 12:03:33 PM8/11/11
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there may be such. thinking about search i did, i was only checking what is
in 'kb.mozillazine'.

i will check for 'support.mozilla.org' to see.

back in a few.

btw, i do not have a 'profiles.ini' in my version for linux, but i do know
that there are other files with paths in them and need to be changed.

btw2, chris illias may be sleeping again, or is busy monitoring news groups.
if he wakes up or gets time, he may drop a line on win to mac. i do believe
there is one and it has been posted lately and i believe by chris. tho it
may have been for firefox.

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g

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Aug 11, 2011, 12:54:08 PM8/11/11
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On 08/11/2011 04:03 PM, g wrote:
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> i will check for 'support.mozilla.org' to see.

actually, that should have been 'support.mozilla.com'.

still, i did not find anything under support for just mac and thunderbird.

hopefully for your sake and other mac users, document writers will pick up
on my post in your moving of firefox thread and will either add addition of
thunderbird, or make a page for thunderbird.

so, until then, you will have to 'wing it'.

i use a linux command 'grep' to find files with directory paths in them
and found these;

extensions.ini
install.log
localstore.rdf
xpti.dat
prefs.js

and binary files;

secmod.db
training.dat
XPC.mfasl
XUL.mfasl

so, be sure that you check them to see what changes yo need to make.

just exactly what you are going to be able to change in 'binary' files
will depend on your having a binary editor and how much room will be
available to make changes.


post back if you need more help and with what you find.

much luck.

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Chris Ilias

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Aug 11, 2011, 1:48:22 PM8/11/11
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> I did just that. Now I do not see profiles.ini in them. Do you mean
> prefs.js?

It sits one level up above your profile folder.

g

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Aug 11, 2011, 1:58:40 PM8/11/11
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On 08/11/2011 05:48 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 11-08-11 12:02 PM, churin wrote:
>> On 8/11/2011 11:12 AM, Greywolf wrote:
>>> Just copy the Windows profile to Mac/Linux Tbird directory, then move
>>> and/or edit profiles.ini to show the correct path.
>>>
>>> Eg, I moved profile from Win 7 to Linux, easy edit of profiles.ini to
>>> specify correct path: in Win, profiles.ini is outside Profiles, so path
>>> is "Profiles/[default]", in Linux profiles.ini is inside, so path is
>>> "[default]".
>> I did just that. Now I do not see profiles.ini in them. Do you mean
>> prefs.js?
>
> It sits one level up above your profile folder.

true. but in linux, profiles.ini only shows;

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=rs9sdip7.default
Default=1

what is diff with ms and mac systems?

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Chris Ilias

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Aug 11, 2011, 3:19:08 PM8/11/11
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On 11-08-11 1:58 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/11/2011 05:48 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 11-08-11 12:02 PM, churin wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2011 11:12 AM, Greywolf wrote:
>>>> Just copy the Windows profile to Mac/Linux Tbird directory, then move
>>>> and/or edit profiles.ini to show the correct path.
>>>>
>>>> Eg, I moved profile from Win 7 to Linux, easy edit of profiles.ini to
>>>> specify correct path: in Win, profiles.ini is outside Profiles, so path
>>>> is "Profiles/[default]", in Linux profiles.ini is inside, so path is
>>>> "[default]".
>>> I did just that. Now I do not see profiles.ini in them. Do you mean
>>> prefs.js?
>>
>> It sits one level up above your profile folder.
>
> true. but in linux, profiles.ini only shows;
>
> [General]
> StartWithLastProfile=1
>
> [Profile0]
> Name=default
> IsRelative=1
> Path=rs9sdip7.default
> Default=1
>
> what is diff with ms and mac systems?

In the line "Path=rs9sdip7.default", 'rs9sdip7' is not going to be the
same on any system. When you copy over the folder, you need to make sure
that line shows the same name as the folder you copied.

Greywolf

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Aug 11, 2011, 5:51:00 PM8/11/11
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prefs.js contains miscellaneous profile data, not the profile name.

profiles.ini points to the profile(s) in the Profiles folder. That is,
it points to the folder(s) named with a random 8-character string that
TBird generates when you set it up for the first time, like this made-up
example:

wqgteg1k.default

Inside that folder you will find the data for the account(s).

In Windows 7, the path is
AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/wqgteg1k.default. I.e.,
profiles.ini is in /Thunderbird. In Ubuntu, profiles.ini is in Profiles.
In the made-up example, prefs.js would be in wqgteg1k.default in both cases.

HTH
Wolf K.

Greywolf

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Aug 11, 2011, 5:53:08 PM8/11/11
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On 11/08/2011 1:58 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/11/2011 05:48 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 11-08-11 12:02 PM, churin wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2011 11:12 AM, Greywolf wrote:
>>>> Just copy the Windows profile to Mac/Linux Tbird directory, then move
>>>> and/or edit profiles.ini to show the correct path.
>>>>
>>>> Eg, I moved profile from Win 7 to Linux, easy edit of profiles.ini to
>>>> specify correct path: in Win, profiles.ini is outside Profiles, so path
>>>> is "Profiles/[default]", in Linux profiles.ini is inside, so path is
>>>> "[default]".
>>> I did just that. Now I do not see profiles.ini in them. Do you mean
>>> prefs.js?
>>
>> It sits one level up above your profile folder.
>
> true. but in linux, profiles.ini only shows;
>
> [General]
> StartWithLastProfile=1
>
> [Profile0]
> Name=default
> IsRelative=1
> Path=rs9sdip7.default
> Default=1
>
> what is diff with ms and mac systems?
>


Don't know about Mac, but in Windows, the path would be:
Path=Profiles/rs9sdip7.default

HTH
Wolf K.

g

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Aug 11, 2011, 8:25:08 PM8/11/11
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in a literal definition, rs9sdip7.default is a path.

but is only a part of a _full_path_ as is in files show below.

with all due respect to your experience with computers,

Path=rs9sdip7.default

is not truly a path, as defined by;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_%28computing%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATH_%28variable%29

it is a directory, as defined by;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directory_%28file_systems%29

directory names below said 'path' becomes a _path_ only if more than one
directory is listed in a 'chain', ie;

rs9sdip7.default/Mail/Local Folders

or, full path;

/home/geo/.thunderbird/rs9sdip7.default/Mail/Local Folders

and;

C:\Users\<Windows_user_name>\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\<Profile_name>\

i did not find an example of a mac os path.


as for these text files;

extensions.ini
install.log
localstore.rdf
xpti.dat
prefs.js

and these binary files;

secmod.db
training.dat
XPC.mfasl
XUL.mfasl

what about the _paths_ contained in them? do they need to be edited or not?

ria, ms paths are different from what mac os paths are.

i do not recall who or when made a post a while back, but a poster asking
for help in moving a 'profile path' to another system ran into problems
because all he did was copy his 'profile path' with out regard for paths
listed in files in his original profile.

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g

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Aug 11, 2011, 8:29:06 PM8/11/11
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On 08/11/2011 09:53 PM, Greywolf wrote:
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> Don't know about Mac, but in Windows, the path would be:
> Path=Profiles/rs9sdip7.default

which version?

seems awfully short and simple for ms windows.

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churin

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Aug 11, 2011, 9:50:18 PM8/11/11
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I could locate the profile.ini. It points to the correct profile folder
but mail account, mail archives, RSS reader and newsgroup readers are
not restored. Only thing which is restored is the address book. The
following is the contents of profile.ini:

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/emfrf9w3.default

[Profile1]
Name=khonjo
IsRelative=0
Path=/Volumes/DT/MozillaThunderbird-OSX
Default=1

Note that the "DT" is the data partition and "MozillaThunderbird-OSX" is
the profile folder name. On the same DT another TBird profile folder for
TBird on the Windows 7. I copied the contents of that folder to
"MozillaThunderbird-OSX".


g

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Aug 12, 2011, 3:13:30 PM8/12/11
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On 08/12/2011 01:50 AM, churin wrote:
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during lull of sending my previous post and now, i did a bunch of google
searches looking for "mac os/x" directory path structure for thunderbird
and found none.

because of this and we are now talking basics of system and no longer of
basics of thunderbird, i am limited in help i can offer you, other than
this:

read these links, to become familiar with them.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Thunderbird
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Changing_Profile_Folder_Location
http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file
http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/using-multiple-profiles#os=mac&browser=tb5

this links pertain to 'profile' _and_ 'mac os'.

you should gain an understanding of what is involved with moving a profile
from an ms windows pc to a mac os/x pc.

due to various files that contain path names and problems that can occur due
to differences between systems if you do not change them, i will make this
suggestion, do not try to copy profile from ms pc to mac pc.

instead, install a version of thunderbird of your liking, be it a stable
3.1.11 or a shaky 5.x or higher, on mac pc. add accounts, add-ons, etc.

after, copy only your address books and emails from ms pc to mac pc.

you have 2 choices of how to do this, using "Tools > Import" from menu bar,
[if feature has not removed by devs and their infinite wisdom] or manually.

either way of doing such, you should have files from ms pc installed on mac
pc in a directory not related to new thunderbird, or on a cd/dvd.


granted, this is not to your desires, but it will ensure that you do
not have files with incorrect paths in them to possible cause you later
problems.

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churin

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Aug 12, 2011, 5:22:55 PM8/12/11
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Thanks for the many reference links.
It appears that your suggestion is what is left for me to follow.
Thanks again.

g

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Aug 12, 2011, 8:36:20 PM8/12/11
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On 08/12/2011 09:22 PM, churin wrote:
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> Thanks for the many reference links.

welcome. i hope they give you understanding.

> It appears that your suggestion is what is left for me to follow.

i was hesitant about making the suggestion, until after reading back thru
all the post to this thread, as well as those in your firefox thread, i
felt that it was best way due to thunderbird have much more to it.

sometimes moving a profile is easy, sometimes it is involved. in your
case, it appeared too involved.

> Thanks again.

you are most welcome.

after you get things set up and files copied over, come back and let us
know how you did. especially if you have problems.

much luck to you.

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Kazunari Honjo

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Aug 13, 2011, 10:47:13 PM8/13/11
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On 8/12/11 8:36 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/12/2011 09:22 PM, churin wrote:
> <>
>
>> Thanks for the many reference links.
>
> welcome. i hope they give you understanding.
>
>> It appears that your suggestion is what is left for me to follow.
>
> i was hesitant about making the suggestion, until after reading back thru
> all the post to this thread, as well as those in your firefox thread, i
> felt that it was best way due to thunderbird have much more to it.
>
> sometimes moving a profile is easy, sometimes it is involved. in your
> case, it appeared too involved.
>
>> Thanks again.
>
> you are most welcome.
>
> after you get things set up and files copied over, come back and let us
> know how you did. especially if you have problems.
>
> much luck to you.
>
>
I am writing this reply on Mac OS X!!

What had been done before I began the process as you suggested are:

1)Installing TBird on OS X. (Prompt for account setting is cancelled.)
2)Creating a folder on a data partition to be used as the profile folder
for TBird on OS X.
3)Creating a user account of the TBird and assigning above folder as
the profile folder by using the Profile Manager as suggested by Chris
Ilias in this thread
4)Copying contents of the TBird profile folder on the Windows 7 to that
on OS X as in step 2)

Note that the step 4) had been done when your suggestion was posted. I
decided to proceed with this condition.

I launched the TBird and a dialogue was displayed for creating accounts
for email, news group, etc. indicating any settings for such was not
recognized. I do not believe this is because the step 4) above deviates
from your suggestion. Comment is appreciated.

At this point I thought there was no choice but to create accounts for
mails, etc. one by one. And so I did using the Account Settings.

After that I noticed that sub-folders shown under each account were only
Inbox and Trash and no archive folders was detected.

I created one of the archive folder in the same name as that on TBird on
Windows 7. Voila, the archive folder so created was immediately filled
up with archive mails!

So, what I did was doing all mailer settings(for mails, news & Blogs,
news groups) from scratch and re-created all non-default sub-folers, and
that allowed all archives to be effectively transferred from TBird on
Windows 7 to that on OS X.

There is one problem still unsolved that is Address Book. There is
supposed to be one user created sub-folder which is not detected. So I
created in the same name as that on TBird on W7, but no list of contact
addresses showed up in it. Fortunately, most of those are also in the
default folder of either Personal Address Book or Collected Addresses.
Another problem here is that addresses from those default sub-folder
cannot be copied to the user created sub-folder. I wonder if there is a
way to solve this, or I have to enter contact address one by one.

churin

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Aug 13, 2011, 11:04:12 PM8/13/11
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On 8/12/11 8:36 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/12/2011 09:22 PM, churin wrote:
> <>
>
>> Thanks for the many reference links.
>
> welcome. i hope they give you understanding.
>
>> It appears that your suggestion is what is left for me to follow.
>
> i was hesitant about making the suggestion, until after reading back thru
> all the post to this thread, as well as those in your firefox thread, i
> felt that it was best way due to thunderbird have much more to it.
>
> sometimes moving a profile is easy, sometimes it is involved. in your
> case, it appeared too involved.
>
>> Thanks again.
>
> you are most welcome.
>
> after you get things set up and files copied over, come back and let us
> know how you did. especially if you have problems.
>
> much luck to you.
>
>

g

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Aug 13, 2011, 11:54:55 PM8/13/11
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On 08/14/2011 02:47 AM, Kazunari Honjo wrote:
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name change threw me. :)

> I launched the TBird and a dialogue was displayed for creating accounts
> for email, news group, etc. indicating any settings for such was not
> recognized. I do not believe this is because the step 4) above deviates
> from your suggestion. Comment is appreciated.

this i believe is from what i was mentioned before, path differences between
ms os and mac os and what is contained in prefs.js, mainly;

user_pref("mail.server.server#.directory"

> At this point I thought there was no choice but to create accounts for
> mails, etc. one by one. And so I did using the Account Settings.

safer way. just check your in directory "*.default/Mail/" where accounts
and "local Folders" are. there may be some extra accounts there from your
ms profile being copied into mac os.

if it is working, it is not broken. leave well enough alone for now.


> After that I noticed that sub-folders shown under each account were only
> Inbox and Trash and no archive folders was detected.

as far as new thunderbird knows, none were.

> I created one of the archive folder in the same name as that on TBird on
> Windows 7. Voila, the archive folder so created was immediately filled
> up with archive mails!

as it should.

> So, what I did was doing all mailer settings(for mails, news & Blogs,
> news groups) from scratch and re-created all non-default sub-folers, and
> that allowed all archives to be effectively transferred from TBird on
> Windows 7 to that on OS X.

i do believe that is correct.

> There is one problem still unsolved that is Address Book. There is
> supposed to be one user created sub-folder which is not detected. So I
> created in the same name as that on TBird on W7, but no list of contact
> addresses showed up in it. Fortunately, most of those are also in the
> default folder of either Personal Address Book or Collected Addresses.
> Another problem here is that addresses from those default sub-folder
> cannot be copied to the user created sub-folder. I wonder if there is a
> way to solve this, or I have to enter contact address one by one.

what version thunderbird are you using on ms system?

being that, on mac, you are using thunderbird v5.x and i am using
thunderbird v2.0.0.24, i can not say positive, so to swag it;

1st: if yuo had exported your ms address books, you could open your new
addressbook in mac os, select "tools > import" and import your addresses.

2nd: because i am guessing that you never have, close thunderbird, copy
all of your ms files with name 'abook.mab' and 'abook.*.mab' from your
"*.default" profile director to you mac "*.default" profile director.
reopen thunderbird, then open your addressbook. all should be there.

that is, unless there is another location for v5. i would not think so,
but devs have their reasons to move things around.


hth.

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g

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Aug 13, 2011, 11:58:50 PM8/13/11
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On 08/14/2011 03:04 AM, churin wrote:
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too late.

i am not repeating myself.

i already sent reply to your brother's post. ;)

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churin

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On 8/13/2011 11:58 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/14/2011 03:04 AM, churin wrote:
> <>
>
> too late.
>
> i am not repeating myself.
>
> i already sent reply to your brother's post. ;)
>
My brother's post ;) was deleted within 10 seconds from TBird on Windows
7 and it disappeared immediately. I wonder how you could catch that.
Another thing is that it never go away from TBird's newsgroup thread on
Windows 7, and the "Delete Message" is grayed.

churin

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On 8/13/2011 11:54 PM, g wrote:
>
>> I launched the TBird and a dialogue was displayed for creating accounts
>> for email, news group, etc. indicating any settings for such was not
>> recognized. I do not believe this is because the step 4) above deviates
>> from your suggestion. Comment is appreciated.
>
> this i believe is from what i was mentioned before, path differences between
> ms os and mac os and what is contained in prefs.js, mainly;
>
> user_pref("mail.server.server#.directory"
>
I reviewed the contents of prefs.js but it appeared that editing this
file was something I could not handle.

>> At this point I thought there was no choice but to create accounts for
>> mails, etc. one by one. And so I did using the Account Settings.
>
> safer way. just check your in directory "*.default/Mail/" where accounts
> and "local Folders" are. there may be some extra accounts there from your
> ms profile being copied into mac os.

I am not sure if I understood the above correctly. There is no default
user account in TBird on Windows 7. There is "default" user account in
TBird on OS X but I used the new user account while I did the repair work.


>
>> There is one problem still unsolved that is Address Book. There is
>> supposed to be one user created sub-folder which is not detected. So I
>> created in the same name as that on TBird on W7, but no list of contact
>> addresses showed up in it. Fortunately, most of those are also in the
>> default folder of either Personal Address Book or Collected Addresses.
>> Another problem here is that addresses from those default sub-folder
>> cannot be copied to the user created sub-folder. I wonder if there is a
>> way to solve this, or I have to enter contact address one by one.
>
> what version thunderbird are you using on ms system?
>

It is 3.1


>
> 1st: if yuo had exported your ms address books, you could open your new
> addressbook in mac os, select "tools> import" and import your addresses.
>

I have just done that and it works. I wish if transferring the Account
Settings can be done likewise.

> 2nd: because i am guessing that you never have, close thunderbird, copy
> all of your ms files with name 'abook.mab' and 'abook.*.mab' from your
> "*.default" profile director to you mac "*.default" profile director.
> reopen thunderbird, then open your addressbook. all should be there.
>

I am not certain if the TBird was closed or not. But please note that
the contents of the custom profile folder on TBird/Windows7 was copied
to that on TBird/MacOSX. There is no "Default" profile folder on
TBird/Windows7.

Now the address book has been fixed and the TBird on OS X is working
just like that on Windows 7.

My wish list for the developer includes incorporation of utility to
allow transferring the profile between Windows and OS X. Even better is
enabling the profile to be shared by OS X and Windows.

churin

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Correction: Please read ". . . it never go away from TBird's newsgroup
thread on Windows 7, . . " as ". . . it never go away from TBird's
newsgroup thread on OS X, . . "

Dave Pyles

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On 8/14/2011 10:24 AM, churin wrote:
...SNIP

> I am not certain if the TBird was closed or not. But please note that
> the contents of the custom profile folder on TBird/Windows7 was copied
> to that on TBird/MacOSX. There is no "Default" profile folder on
> TBird/Windows7.
>
The profile folder on Windows 7 is at c:\users\[USER
NAME]\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\ where [USER NAME] is the
login name of the user.
SNIP...

churin

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I thought TBird uses only my custom created profile on the data
partition and the default profile is for the default user account only.
I indicated that there is no "Default" profile because there is no
default user account on my TBird on Windows 7.
But I have just found out that the default profile still is needed to
properly launch the TBird for the custom created user account.

g

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Aug 14, 2011, 3:40:40 PM8/14/11
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On 08/14/2011 02:24 PM, churin wrote:
<>

> I reviewed the contents of prefs.js but it appeared that editing this file
> was something I could not handle.

editing such files can be problematic and reason for making fresh installs
with a new user account and coping only special files, abook.nab, user.js
and such should be done.

also, it is usually better if you have any 'add-ons' installed in old system,
install them fresh in new system, and install them as soon as you have
finished going thru configurations, aka, 'options' / 'preferences'.

when a non 'tech head' tries to do such with out a full understanding or
a step by step guide to what has to be changed and how to change, bad
problems can/will occur.


>>> At this point I thought there was no choice but to create accounts for
>>> mails, etc. one by one. And so I did using the Account Settings.
>>
>> safer way. just check your in directory "*.default/Mail/" where accounts
>> and "local Folders" are. there may be some extra accounts there from your
>> ms profile being copied into mac os.
>
> I am not sure if I understood the above correctly. There is no default user
> account in TBird on Windows 7. There is "default" user account in TBird on
> OS X but I used the new user account while I did the repair work.

this is one of differences between operating systems. David Pyles gave
you answer for win 7.

what you have in mac os/x, you should be able to find.

not default account, per say. in this case, _all_ user accounts will have in
their path a directory to designate where 'profile' path begins.

linux uses "*.default", with "*" being a random string of letters and numbers.
my error in not mentioning fact.

none the less, directory for isp accounts will/should be in directory of
"Mail".

to reference as it is in linux, directory "Mail" contains each isp account
name as you defined them when you entered isp accounts, and there will be
a directory 'Local Folders'.

because you did a profile copy, you may have directories that are different
in name from how you defined them when you set them up. ie, the name you
entered in "Account Name" entry bar. and as i said, do not worry about
them for now. if they are not assigned they will not be used or show up
in thunderbird window.

get thunderbird working and later have a look in 'Mail' directory to see
if you have anything different.

if you should delete an account, thunderbird will leave that account in
directory so that if you reactivate account, it is already there and i
believe it will prompt you as to using or creating new. have not tried
this, but will in future.

>> what version thunderbird are you using on ms system?
>
> It is 3.1

ok.

>> 1st: if you had exported your ms address books, you could open your new

>> addressbook in mac os, select "tools> import" and import your addresses.
>
> I have just done that and it works. I wish if transferring the Account
> Settings can be done likewise.

ok. now the big question, did you export _all_ sub address books within
main? if so, then you have all of them to import.

if not, you will miss some. this is where next part comes into play.

>> 2nd: because i am guessing that you never have, close thunderbird, copy
>> all of your ms files with name 'abook.mab' and 'abook.*.mab' from your
>> "*.default" profile director to you mac "*.default" profile director.
>> reopen thunderbird, then open your addressbook. all should be there.

[i may be in error on this as i have not found any exact explanation on
mozilla site, so i relate from my on experience and findings.]

you have a *main* email address book in profile directory with a name
of 'abook.mab'. any sub address books you create, or, import, will have
form of 'abook.*.mab' where "*" is a consecutively increasing number.

just where in 'abook.mab' or which 'abook.*.mab' "Collected Addresses"
are placed, i do not know because i have never enabled "Collected Addresses"
or had any addresses entered in "Collected Addresses" address book. my
guess would be that they are in 'abook.mab'.

note: assigning of numbers to 'abook.*.mab' is done in order of their
creation, not order as they appear in main address book.

> I am not certain if the TBird was closed or not. But please note that the
> contents of the custom profile folder on TBird/Windows7 was copied to that
> on TBird/MacOSX. There is no "Default" profile folder on TBird/Windows7.

ok. i would suggest that any time you want to copy in files, you do so
with thunderbird closed because there are files that are written back out
to directory and will over write anything that you copy in with thunderbird
open. this may be a reason why some of files you copied in did not 'take'.

in some respects, this may be good because you may have copies in some files
that would/could have caused you problems when you reopened thunderbird.

so, remember this, before you ever do *any* messing with thunderbird files
of any kind, make a backup of directory you are going to play with. also,
when you make backups, maintain them and give each backup a progress
extension name by either appending a '*.0001', '*.0002' sequence of use
the time of backup as an extension. this will allow you to be able to go
back to a certain period of play to restore if you error on something.

> Now the address book has been fixed and the TBird on OS X is working just
> like that on Windows 7.

that is what counts.

> My wish list for the developer includes incorporation of utility to allow
> transferring the profile between Windows and OS X. Even better is enabling
> the profile to be shared by OS X and Windows.

+++++

On 08/14/2011 05:22 PM, churin wrote:
> On 8/14/2011 11:19 AM, Dave Pyles wrote:
>> On 8/14/2011 10:24 AM, churin wrote: ...SNIP

>>> I am not certain if the TBird was closed or not. But please note that
>>> the contents of the custom profile folder on TBird/Windows7 was copied
>>> to that on TBird/MacOSX. There is no "Default" profile folder on
>>> TBird/Windows7.
>>>

>> The profile folder on Windows 7 is at c:\users\[USER
>> NAME]\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\ where [USER NAME] is the login
>> name of the user. SNIP...
>>
> I thought TBird uses only my custom created profile on the data partition
> and the default profile is for the default user account only. I indicated

> that there is no "Default" profile because there is no default user account


> on my TBird on Windows 7. But I have just found out that the default profile
> still is needed to properly launch the TBird for the custom created user
> account.

"different strokes for different operating systems".

+++++

On 08/14/2011 11:27 AM, churin wrote:
> On 8/13/2011 11:58 PM, g wrote:
>> On 08/14/2011 03:04 AM, churin wrote: <>
>>
>> too late.
>>
>> i am not repeating myself.
>>
>> i already sent reply to your brother's post. ;)
>>

> My brother's post ;) was deleted within 10 seconds from TBird on Windows 7


> and it disappeared immediately. I wonder how you could catch that.

this is one of advantages and disadvantages of using email list vs news group.

email list gets everything. news groups get what is not deleted within a
short period and what is allowed by moderator.

> Another thing is that it never go away from TBird's newsgroup thread on
> Windows 7, and the "Delete Message" is grayed.

this may be because your win 7 system still has what you sent and is grayed
because _you_ deleted it.

+++++

On 08/14/2011 03:11 PM, churin wrote:
> On 8/14/2011 7:27 AM, churin wrote:
>> On 8/13/2011 11:58 PM, g wrote:
>>> On 08/14/2011 03:04 AM, churin wrote: <>
>>>
>>> too late.
>>>
>>> i am not repeating myself.
>>>
>>> i already sent reply to your brother's post. ;)
>>>

>> My brother's post ;) was deleted within 10 seconds from TBird on Windows 7


>> and it disappeared immediately. I wonder how you could catch that. Another
>> thing is that it never go away from TBird's newsgroup thread on Windows 7,
>> and the "Delete Message" is grayed.
>
> Correction: Please read ". . . it never go away from TBird's newsgroup
> thread on Windows 7, . . " as ". . . it never go away from TBird's newsgroup
> thread on OS X, . . "

this could be because os/x system pulled it in before win 7 did.

not being a full time user of news groups, i can not give you an exact
answer. maybe someone following this thread can enlighten us both as to
what happened.

+++++

so, i hope this brings us up to date.

my apoligies for delay in replies. i crashed early and was out most of
morning. there, i was not able to answer until now.

to let you know this time, i have to leave again for a while. will check
back as soon as i return to see how things are on your end.

later.

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churin

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On 8/14/2011 3:40 PM, g wrote:
>
> editing such files can be problematic and reason for making fresh installs
> with a new user account and coping only special files, abook.nab, user.js
> and such should be done.
>
> also, it is usually better if you have any 'add-ons' installed in old system,
> install them fresh in new system, and install them as soon as you have
> finished going thru configurations, aka, 'options' / 'preferences'.
>
OK, I will make a note of the above.

>> because you did a profile copy, you may have directories that are different
> in name from how you defined them when you set them up. ie, the name you
> entered in "Account Name" entry bar. and as i said, do not worry about
> them for now. if they are not assigned they will not be used or show up
> in thunderbird window.

By reviewing the contents of the prefs.js, I could spot where the
directory name for the TBird on OS X has to be different.

>
>>> 1st: if you had exported your ms address books, you could open your new
>>> addressbook in mac os, select "tools> import" and import your addresses.
>>
>> I have just done that and it works. I wish if transferring the Account
>> Settings can be done likewise.
>
> ok. now the big question, did you export _all_ sub address books within
> main? if so, then you have all of them to import.
>

On TBird/W7, there are two default folders(Personal Address Book and
Collected Address) and one user created folder. The contents of those
two default folders appeared trasnferred correctly. So I ran
export/import for the address book in the user created folder.

g

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Aug 14, 2011, 7:15:46 PM8/14/11
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On 08/14/2011 07:40 PM, g wrote:
<>

>>> safer way. just check your in directory "*.default/Mail/" where accounts
>>> and "local Folders" are. there may be some extra accounts there from your
>>> ms profile being copied into mac os.
>>
>> I am not sure if I understood the above correctly. There is no default user
>> account in TBird on Windows 7. There is "default" user account in TBird on
>> OS X but I used the new user account while I did the repair work.

my bad. brain block. should have looked it up.

in my post of;

Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 03:21:47 +0000
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:13:30 +0000

i showed links to page;

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Thunderbird

[i dislike seeing word "folder" used for a "directory".
it adds to brain block and confusion.]

where in are listed;

Linux and Unix:

/home/<user name>/.thunderbird/<Profile name>/
or
/home/<user name>/.mozilla-thunderbird<Profile name>.

Mac OS X:

/Macintosh HD/Users/<username>/Library/Thunderbird/Profiles/<Profile name>/
or
/Macintosh HD/Users/<username>/Library/Application \*
Support/Thunderbird/Profiles/<Profile name>/

Windows 95, 98, and ME:

C:\Windows\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\<Profile name>\
or
C:\Windows\Profiles\<Windows user name>\Application \*
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\<Profile name>\ .

Windows 2000 and XP:

C:\Documents and Settings\<Windows user name>\Application \*
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\<Profile name>

Windows Vista and Windows 7:

C:\Users\<Windows user name>\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\<Profile \*
name>\


*note*:
in above, use of \* denotes line wrap caused by space in directory path name.

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g

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On 08/14/2011 10:41 PM, churin wrote:
<>

> By reviewing the contents of the prefs.js, I could spot where the
> directory name for the TBird on OS X has to be different.

yes. now you can see how just coping a profile of one os to/over another
os can lead to problems.

> On TBird/W7, there are two default folders(Personal Address Book and
> Collected Address) and one user created folder. The contents of those
> two default folders appeared trasnferred correctly. So I ran
> export/import for the address book in the user created folder.

'nit picking', but for future understanding and clarity. there are no
'folders' in a thunderbird address book.

unless things have changed with later versions of thunderbird, the icon
on left side of address book window is a 'book', not a 'folder'.

in address book window, if you select "File > New" in menu bar, you will
get a dropdown menu of "New" choices, none of which are a 'folder'.


another point of info and problems of email clients with importing/exporting
and coping of address books.

if you are exporting or importing a thunderbird file, all should be ok.

if you are exporting to, or importing from a non thunderbird file, all
is not ok.

other email clients do not use same format as thunderbird and thunderbird
does not have ability to transform other clients format to thunderbird format.

this is not to say other email clients do not have such ability.

for ability to do so with any type of ease is to use a spreadsheet or
database type program to convert text file to a usable file format.

a whole different matter that this "Subject:" and another "Subject:" thread.


hth.

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churin

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On 8/14/2011 7:55 PM, g wrote:
>> On TBird/W7, there are two default folders(Personal Address Book and
>> Collected Address) and one user created folder. The contents of those
>> two default folders appeared trasnferred correctly. So I ran
>> export/import for the address book in the user created folder.
>
> 'nit picking', but for future understanding and clarity. there are no
> 'folders' in a thunderbird address book.
>
> unless things have changed with later versions of thunderbird, the icon
> on left side of address book window is a 'book', not a 'folder'.
>
> in address book window, if you select "File> New" in menu bar, you will
> get a dropdown menu of "New" choices, none of which are a 'folder'.
>
I see that the column header on the address book window clearly shows
"Address Books". Thanks for correcting me on that.

churin

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I am having difficulty understanding the purpose of this post.
On Windows 7, I never let TBird create a default user account so that
the folder(directory) of the Profiles shown in the above path is empty.
The custom profile folder(directory) located in a data partition is
pointed by the profile.ini in the "Thunderbird" in the above path.

g

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Aug 14, 2011, 10:03:43 PM8/14/11
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On 08/15/2011 01:26 AM, churin wrote:
<>

> I am having difficulty understanding the purpose of this post.

to show you various ways the different operating systems locate the profile
directory.

> On Windows 7, I never let TBird create a default user account so that the
> folder(directory) of the Profiles shown in the above path is empty. The
> custom profile folder(directory) located in a data partition is pointed by
> the profile.ini in the "Thunderbird" in the above path.


ok. in your win 7, do you have a path?

C:\Users\<Windows user name>\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\

just exactly what is _full_path_ you have under "C:\Users\" that contains
directory "Thunderbird"?

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churin

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On 8/14/2011 10:03 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/15/2011 01:26 AM, churin wrote:
> <>
>
>> I am having difficulty understanding the purpose of this post.
>
> to show you various ways the different operating systems locate the profile
> directory.
>
>> On Windows 7, I never let TBird create a default user account so that the
>> folder(directory) of the Profiles shown in the above path is empty. The
>> custom profile folder(directory) located in a data partition is pointed by
>> the profile.ini in the "Thunderbird" in the above path.
>
>
> ok. in your win 7, do you have a path?
>
> C:\Users\<Windows user name>\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\
>
> just exactly what is _full_path_ you have under "C:\Users\" that contains
> directory "Thunderbird"?
>
The above path is exactly the one in my Windows 7. The "profiles" in the
above path is empty. The profile.ini points not to "profiles" but to
where the profile information is located that is one of the data drives.
The following is an excerpt of what are in profile.ini :

Path=D:\MozillaTBird

g

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Aug 15, 2011, 9:25:20 AM8/15/11
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On 08/15/2011 12:58 PM, churin wrote:
<>

>> ok. in your win 7, do you have a path?
>>
>> C:\Users\<Windows user name>\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\
>>
>> just exactly what is _full_path_ you have under "C:\Users\" that contains
>> directory "Thunderbird"?
>>
> The above path is exactly the one in my Windows 7. The "profiles" in the
> above path is empty. The profile.ini points not to "profiles" but to
> where the profile information is located that is one of the data drives.
> The following is an excerpt of what are in profile.ini :
>
> Path=D:\MozillaTBird

yes. i recall now your having another thread about moving your profile
to another partition/drive.

so, i blame you for your confusion. you should not expect others to
know or remember that you have changed your system from default. :)

so why were we on this thread ravel?

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On 11-08-14 7:27 AM, churin wrote:
> My brother's post ;) was deleted within 10 seconds from TBird on Windows
> 7 and it disappeared immediately. I wonder how you could catch that.
> Another thing is that it never go away from TBird's newsgroup thread on
> Windows 7, and the "Delete Message" is grayed.

For security reasons, this server ignores cancel messages.

--
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Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator

churin

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On 8/15/2011 3:15 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 11-08-14 7:27 AM, churin wrote:
>> My brother's post ;) was deleted within 10 seconds from TBird on Windows
>> 7 and it disappeared immediately. I wonder how you could catch that.
>> Another thing is that it never go away from TBird's newsgroup thread on
>> Windows 7, and the "Delete Message" is grayed.
>
> For security reasons, this server ignores cancel messages.
>
Correction of my brother's satatement is " . . . it never go away from
TBirds's newsgroup thread on Windows 7 . . " should read " . . . it
never go away from TBird's newsgroup thread on OS X . . ".

Having said that, let me ask why the post deleted on Windows 7 stays on
OS X?

churin

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Aug 16, 2011, 10:31:52 AM8/16/11
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On 8/15/2011 9:25 AM, g wrote:
> On 08/15/2011 12:58 PM, churin wrote:
> <>
>
>>> ok. in your win 7, do you have a path?
>>>
>>> C:\Users\<Windows user name>\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\
>>>
>>> just exactly what is _full_path_ you have under "C:\Users\" that contains
>>> directory "Thunderbird"?
>>>
>> The above path is exactly the one in my Windows 7. The "profiles" in the
>> above path is empty. The profile.ini points not to "profiles" but to
>> where the profile information is located that is one of the data drives.
>> The following is an excerpt of what are in profile.ini :
>>
>> Path=D:\MozillaTBird
>
> yes. i recall now your having another thread about moving your profile
> to another partition/drive.
>
> so, i blame you for your confusion. you should not expect others to
> know or remember that you have changed your system from default. :)
>
> so why were we on this thread ravel?
>
In one of my posts in this thread, I stated to the effect that the
profile folder was placed on one of the data drives. So, what I wanted
to do was migrating TBird from PC to Mac, and I wanted to place the
profile on a data drive as was always done on PC.

Anyway, I am sorry for the confusion.

Ron Hunter

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Aug 16, 2011, 10:32:44 AM8/16/11
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Because the server Mozilla uses does not honor cancels from users.

g

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Aug 16, 2011, 11:56:00 AM8/16/11
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On 08/16/2011 02:31 PM, churin wrote:
<>

> In one of my posts in this thread, I stated to the effect that the
> profile folder was placed on one of the data drives. So, what I wanted
> to do was migrating TBird from PC to Mac, and I wanted to place the
> profile on a data drive as was always done on PC.

i was wondering if that was intent, just wanted to be sure.

follow same/similar procedure on mac pc as you did on win pc.

being that os/x is structured after unix, as is linux, if, on mac, your
drives/partitions are *mounted* to a directory path, you will need to
show _full_path_ to new profile directory in the "Path=" definition in
the "profiles.ini" file.

> Anyway, I am sorry for the confusion.

accepted. besides, i intended it as kidding, not as a serious statement.

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Chris Ilias

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It doesn't matter what OS you're using. The message is removed from your
local message list, but the server ignores the request to cancel the
message, so the message has not been removed from the server.

For example, if you open a new profile, and download messages for this
newsgroup, you'll see the message.

churin

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Aug 16, 2011, 4:41:53 PM8/16/11
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Then, "Delete Message" shown on the context menu is misleading: It
allows deleting the display of a post only from that particular machine
used but the post can still be seen by everyone participating in the
thread. Is there any meaningful purpose of "Delete Message" option?

Ron Hunter

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Yes, and no. IF the server you are connected to accepts cancels from
users, then TB will send it a cancel, and the message will be cancelled
on the server, but IF it has already propagated to other servers, it may
never get fully cancelled as, even though the cancel message is also
propagated, other servers may not allow it.
There has been a running thread for some time about the technical
difference between 'delete', and 'cancel', which seems to remain in dispute.

Chris Ilias

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On 11-08-16 4:41 PM, churin wrote:
> On 8/16/2011 2:03 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>
>> It doesn't matter what OS you're using. The message is removed from your
>> local message list, but the server ignores the request to cancel the
>> message, so the message has not been removed from the server.
>>
>> For example, if you open a new profile, and download messages for this
>> newsgroup, you'll see the message.
>
> Then, "Delete Message" shown on the context menu is misleading:

Good thing that was fixed a couple of updates ago. :) Try updating to
the latest version.

churin

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Aug 16, 2011, 8:13:26 PM8/16/11
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On 8/16/2011 11:56 AM, g wrote:
> On 08/16/2011 02:31 PM, churin wrote:
> <>
>
>> In one of my posts in this thread, I stated to the effect that the
>> profile folder was placed on one of the data drives. So, what I wanted
>> to do was migrating TBird from PC to Mac, and I wanted to place the
>> profile on a data drive as was always done on PC.
>
> i was wondering if that was intent, just wanted to be sure.
>
That's correct and that has been done by now.

> follow same/similar procedure on mac pc as you did on win pc.
>
> being that os/x is structured after unix, as is linux, if, on mac, your
> drives/partitions are *mounted* to a directory path, you will need to
> show _full_path_ to new profile directory in the "Path=" definition in
> the "profiles.ini" file.
>

By using the profile manager, I pointed to the folder on the data drive,
and that automatically created the path statement in the profile.ini
file. So, there was no need for me to edit the profile.ini.

The following is the path statements for PC and Mac:

PC:
Path=D:\MozillaTBird
Mac:
Path=/Volumes/DT/MozillaThunderbird-OSX

I have learned by reviewing the above how they differ in the way the
path are stated: Backward slash for PC and forward slash for Mac. Drive
letter(D:) is for PC, while partition name(DT) for Mac. "Volumes" for
Mac and nothing in this place for PC.

Does Path for Mac always begins with Volumes?

These two profile folders(one for PC and another for Mac) are located
side-by-side on the same physical partition. It is highly desirable to
have one of the profile folder shared by PC and Mac, but I assume that
is not feasible.

g

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Aug 17, 2011, 2:19:46 PM8/17/11
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On 08/17/2011 12:13 AM, churin wrote:
<>

> Does Path for Mac always begins with Volumes?

not having a mac to verify with, i will leave that answer to a mac user.

tho i will say, if you have more than 1 partition mounted on your system,
you would see more than 1 path emerging from '/Volumes'. just the use of
the word 'volumes' would tend to indicate '/Volumes' is a mount point.

in linux hardware data storage devices, key word 'devices', are defined
in a base path directory of '/dev/*'.

by default, they are mounted in a base path directory of '/media/'.

in example, following base directory '/dev/', for hard drives, i have;

hda, hda1, hda2, hda3
hdb, hdb1, hdb2, hdb3, -> hdb11
hdc, hdc1

this indicates that i have 3 hard drives, 1st, hda, has 3 partitions,
2nd, hdb, has 11 partitions, 3rd, hdc, has 1 partition.

by my own convention, i mount hard drive partitions to a base path
directory of '/hd/', then split it to paths of 'a', 'b', 'c', with each
drive's partition mounted under it's respective letter.

> These two profile folders(one for PC and another for Mac) are located
> side-by-side on the same physical partition. It is highly desirable to
> have one of the profile folder shared by PC and Mac, but I assume that
> is not feasible.

that tends to be confusing, as i was under belief that before you were
talking about 2 separately different computers. now, when you say
"side-by-side on the same physical partition", i am led to believe that
you are dual booting mac os and ms os on a single mac system.


when i was dual booting ms os and linux os, ms was on linux accessible
partitions. under ms i had a 'c:' and a 'd:' drive, which mounted
'/hd/a/01' and 'hd/a/02' under linux.

to have thunderbird email accessible to both ms and linux, i "linked" to
the ms 'd:' drive at thunderbird's profile directory's "Mail" directory.
this way, i had completely separate profiles maintained under ms and linux
and only thing common was the "Mail" directory and below.

this gave me ability to boot either os and have full email access with
either os. i imagine same would apply to news groups, but i can not comment
on this, as at that time, i did not pull news groups.

trying to share 1 profile under 2 different os systems can/could/may/will
cause problems. sharing email directories does not.

i normally ran email under linux, but, on rare occasions i did run email
under ms.

to prevent 'panacea.dat' from becoming out of sync, i started thunderbird
with a custom script file for both ms and linux. these scripts tested for a
hidden '.linux' or '.ms' file in "Mail" directory, which were created under
linux or ms. testing for the hidden file would determine deleting of the
'panacea.dat' file for system i was booting and there were no problems with
'panacea.dat' being out of sync for booted system.

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Aug 17, 2011, 2:48:45 PM8/17/11
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On 2011-08-16 6:13 PM  churin wrote:
Does Path for Mac always begins with Volumes?
Not for your boot drive/partition.
Path for additional drives/partitions is "/Volumes/<name of drive>"


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churin

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Aug 17, 2011, 5:52:11 PM8/17/11
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On 8/17/2011 2:19 PM, g wrote:
> On 08/17/2011 12:13 AM, churin wrote:
>
>> These two profile folders(one for PC and another for Mac) are located
>> side-by-side on the same physical partition. It is highly desirable to
>> have one of the profile folder shared by PC and Mac, but I assume that
>> is not feasible.
>
> that tends to be confusing, as i was under belief that before you were
> talking about 2 separately different computers. now, when you say
> "side-by-side on the same physical partition", i am led to believe that
> you are dual booting mac os and ms os on a single mac system.
>
I believe the discussions so far made are all applicable to W7/OSX dual
boot system.

>
> trying to share 1 profile under 2 different os systems can/could/may/will
> cause problems. sharing email directories does not.

The Profile Manager allows specifying a folder as the profile folder
which contains all profile information including the mail sub-folder.
This appears to mean that the mail sub-folder can not be selectively
shared.

churin

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Aug 17, 2011, 5:52:40 PM8/17/11
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On 8/17/2011 2:48 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2011-08-16 6:13 PM churin wrote:
>> Does Path for Mac always begins with Volumes?
> Not for your boot drive/partition.
> Path for additional drives/partitions is "/Volumes/<name of drive>"
>
>
Thanks for the info.

g

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Aug 17, 2011, 10:37:18 PM8/17/11
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On 08/17/2011 09:52 PM, churin wrote:
> On 8/17/2011 2:19 PM, g wrote:
>> On 08/17/2011 12:13 AM, churin wrote:
>>
>>> These two profile folders(one for PC and another for Mac) are located
>>> side-by-side on the same physical partition. It is highly desirable to
>>> have one of the profile folder shared by PC and Mac, but I assume that
>>> is not feasible.
>> that tends to be confusing, as i was under belief that before you were
>> talking about 2 separately different computers. now, when you say
>> "side-by-side on the same physical partition", i am led to believe that
>> you are dual booting mac os and ms os on a single mac system.
>>
> I believe the discussions so far made are all applicable to W7/OSX dual
> boot system.

you believe, but not known by others posting to this thread until now.

this should have been specify in your very first post of this thread.


>> trying to share 1 profile under 2 different os systems can/could/may/will
>> cause problems. sharing email directories does not.
>
> The Profile Manager allows specifying a folder as the profile folder
> which contains all profile information including the mail sub-folder.
> This appears to mean that the mail sub-folder can not be selectively
> shared.

this is true, to a point. *but*, i do not believe, win7 profile manager
can specify profiles across 2 different operating systems because win7
does not know os/x structure.

under os/x you should be able to because os/x can mount win7 partitions.
at least that is what i am presuming from your saying that you have 'D:'
mounted under os/x. with os/x able to mount a win7 partition and read and
write to it, you can build os/x thunderbird profile on a win7 formated
partition. i can not say if win7 can see and mount an os/x style formated
partition.

you could try to do so to see what will happen, but you may run into
problems due to format structure and path structure being different.

'panacea.dat' is a problem because it contains system paths and with
structure differences between win7 and os/x, you have a problem.

as for "Mail" directory and paths below it, they can be shared between
any 2 different operating systems, that are dual booted on same computer
when one system can mount other system drives. ie, "Mail" on win7 is
linked to "Mail" on mac, and, as long as 'panacea.dat' is deleted as i
mentioned i was doing. or, by manually deleting before opening thunderbird.

in addition, because isp accounts are under "Mail" directory, when they are
created in the 2 different systems, they _must_ be created the same. if not,
then you will have to link "Local Folders" between the 2 systems, move mail
from the accounts's "Inbox" via filters to "Local Folders/Inbox". then run
sorting filters from "Local Folders/Inbox" folder.


are you still with me or did i confuse you along with myself? :)


either way, i will describe what i have found from my experience.

create a thunderbird user profile under ms os. use it as your main
structure. close thunderbird, reboot to linux.

create a thunderbird user profile under linux. close thunderbird.

with ms os partition mounted under linux os, remove "Local Folders"
directory in linux user profile under "Mail" directory. link ms os
"Local Folders" directory to linux user profile under "Mail" directory.

this will give access to same email folders to both ms and linux user.

when email is downloaded, moved, read, written, or deleted with one os,
'panacea.dat' file must be deleted in other os before thunderbird is
opened to prevent corrupted files when trying to manage emails.

for your system, substitute 'mac os/x' for 'linux'.

"Local Folders" can be substituted with "Mail" and "Mail" substituted
with "profile", if you create isp accounts in same order and with same
information.


does that make it clearer?

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churin

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Aug 18, 2011, 11:51:32 AM8/18/11
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Migration of TBird has been done as can be seen. Now I am asking about
sharing TBird profile between W7 and OSX. That is clealy off-topic.
Thus, I will start a new thread for this topic.
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