Preview in the message list - like Outlook
J. Frank Parnell
One of the few reasons I'm still using Outlook is cuz i like the way
it shows a preview of the message in the message list, not just the
subject line.
like this pic: http://techtips.sw-bs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/O2k7-Auto_Prev_On.PNG
Not the preview pane.
So...options? addons?
thanks,
J
Ray_Net
> Heya,
> One of the few reasons I'm still using Outlook is cuz i like the way
> it shows a preview of the message in the message list, not just the
> subject line.
>
> like this pic: http://techtips.sw-bs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/O2k7-Auto_Prev_On.PNG
>
under the 3 first lines. the preview pane is a SUPERB option.
Larry Gusaas
Larry
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"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese
Ray_Net
>
> On 2011/03/23 4:18 PM Ray_Net wrote:
>> J. Frank Parnell wrote:
>>> Heya,
>>> One of the few reasons I'm still using Outlook is cuz i like the way
>>> it shows a preview of the message in the message list, not just the
>>> subject line.
>>>
>>> like this pic:
>>> http://techtips.sw-bs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/O2k7-Auto_Prev_On.PNG
>>>
>> I hate this way of doing, because you must "open" your message to look
>> under the 3 first lines. the preview pane is a SUPERB option.
> There is no preview pane in Thunderbird, only the message pane.
>
of TB.
WLS
>
> On 2011/03/23 4:18 PM Ray_Net wrote:
>> J. Frank Parnell wrote:
>>> Heya,
>>> One of the few reasons I'm still using Outlook is cuz i like the way
>>> it shows a preview of the message in the message list, not just the
>>> subject line.
>>>
>>> like this pic:
>>> http://techtips.sw-bs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/O2k7-Auto_Prev_On.PNG
>>>
>> I hate this way of doing, because you must "open" your message to look
>> under the 3 first lines. the preview pane is a SUPERB option.
> There is no preview pane in Thunderbird, only the message pane.
>
>
> Larry
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>
> Larry I. Gusaas
>
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
>
This looks like the image J. Frank Parnell posted.
http://img703.imageshack.us/i/smailmozillathunderbird.png/
Called Converstaions, it looks like previews to me.
WLS
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Keith Nuttle
Not original poster
I was aware of that function but, I always ended up there by accident.
How do I get there on purpose.
WLS
I came across it by accident also, when I selected several messages in a
folder for deletion, using Ctrl+a, and went oh cool, what's this.
It doesn't work to preview new messages from different folders, but will
for the same folder. Works only for email, not newsgroups.
It was pointed out to me that there is also an Add-on called Thunderbird
Conversations currently in alpha status.
"This addon provides a conversation view for Thunderbird, including
contacts tooltips, attachment thumbnails, quick (inline) reply, contacts
tooltip, integration with other addons, and much more."
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/
It requires Global Search and Indexer to be enabled.
I do not have this extension installed in TB 3.1.8 or Miramar 3.3a4pre.
Wayne Mery
Also called message snippets. They are in the location of the message
preview pane, when mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads preference
is enabled (which is the default).
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Larry Gusaas
They are in the location of the message preview pane,
Larry
Larry I. Gusaas
Greywolf
> On 2011/03/24 10:04 AM Wayne Mery wrote:
>> They are in the location of the message preview pane,
> Don't you mean the message pane? I know of no preview pane in Thunderbird.
The "preview pane" is the one below the headers list (in the "classic"
layout). The message is "previewed" when you click on the header. The
"message pane" comes up as a separate window when you double click the
header. IMO, the "message pane" is unnecessary. YMMV.
HTH
Wolf K.
Wayne Mery
The older name given to it is preview pane as far as I know. I suppose,
because it isn't very large. Compared to the standalone full windowed
"message pane" - sometimes qualified as the standalone window or
standalone message pane.
However, it's not incorrect to call either of them "message pane". But
because there are two message panes, in support circles it helps to use
terminology that clearly indicates which is being referred to.
On 3/24/2011 1:13 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2011/03/24 10:04 AM Wayne Mery wrote:
>> They are in the location of the message preview pane,
> Don't you mean the message pane? I know of no preview pane in Thunderbird.
>
>
> Larry
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>
> Larry I. Gusaas
>
> *Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
> theirs." - Edgard Varese *
Keith Nuttle
have to do is highlight serveral emails to get the conversation in the
preview pane.
I use the mouse click shift mouse click to hightlight the messages.
Larry Gusaas
Nope, I don't mean "message pane".
From: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Window_layout_-_Thunderbird
Message pane
The message pane is the pane below the thread pane. If you have not selected any message since Thunderbird started, it displays the start page. Otherwise it displays the message that is selected in the thread pane:
The older name given to it is preview pane as far as I know.
I suppose, because it isn't very large. Compared to the standalone full windowed "message pane" - sometimes qualified as the standalone window or standalone message pane.
However, it's not incorrect to call either of them "message pane". But because there are two message panes, in support circles it helps to use terminology that clearly indicates which is being referred to.
There is only one "message pane". You can also read a message in a new window or in a new tab.
On 3/24/2011 1:13 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 2011/03/24 10:04 AM Wayne Mery wrote:
They are in the location of the message preview pane,Don't you mean the message pane? I know of no preview pane in Thunderbird.
Larry
Larry I. Gusaas
Larry Gusaas
Message pane
The message pane is the pane below the thread pane. If you have not selected any message since Thunderbird started, it displays the start page. Otherwise it displays the message that is selected in the thread pane:
Wayne Mery
> On 2011/03/24 12:44 PM Wayne Mery wrote:
>> Nope, I don't mean "message pane".
> There is no "preview pane" in Thunderbird.
> From: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Window_layout_-_Thunderbird
>
> The message pane is the pane below the thread pane. If you have not
> selected any message since Thunderbird started, it displays the
> start page. Otherwise it displays the message that is selected in
> the thread pane:
>
>
>> The older name given to it is preview pane as far as I know.
> Not in Thunderbird. Outlook has a preview pane.
I don't care about outlook. :)
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Window_layout_-_Thunderbird is perfectly good
and yeah, it's a full featured message pane. However ...
- One must still distinguish between the two ways a message can be
displayed, and calling them both "message pane" isn't always helpful.
- Quite a few bug reports created prior to 2006 (I've excluded newer
bugs of the illustration) indicate that "preview pane" was and has been
commonly used to refer to this area
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type1-0-0=substring&field0-0-0=short_desc&type0-0-1=substring&field0-0-1=short_desc&type1-0-1=allwordssubstr&classification=Client%20Software&classification=Components&chfieldto=2006-01-01&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&query_format=advanced&value0-0-1=preview%20pane&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=message%20preview&field1-0-0=short_desc&product=MailNews%20Core&product=SeaMonkey&product=Thunderbird&field1-0-1=short_desc
I'm not saying it's the only name or the proper name. And as I said
earlier, message pane is also perf
- there are plenty of references that use the "preview" terminology
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Next_and_Previous_buttons_do_not_work_correctly
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_3.0_-_New_Features_and_Changes
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_background_colors
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Launch_browser_from_Thunderbird
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Selected_text_background_color
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Folder_pane_not_shown
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_RSS_Basics
http://email.about.com/cs/mozillatips/qt/et070801.htm
How "preview" came into use I don't know. Someone who was intimate with
the mozilla mail products (which includes Seamonkey and Netscape) 5-10
years or so ago would probably be able to say.
>> I suppose, because it isn't very large. Compared to the standalone
>> full windowed "message pane" - sometimes qualified as the standalone
>> window or standalone message pane.
>>
>> However, it's not incorrect to call either of them "message pane". But
>> because there are two message panes, in support circles it helps to
>> use terminology that clearly indicates which is being referred to.
> Use the correct terminology for Thunderbird. There is no "preview pane".
> There is only one "message pane". You can also read a message in a new
> window or in a new tab.
>
>>
>> On 3/24/2011 1:13 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
>>> On 2011/03/24 10:04 AM Wayne Mery wrote:
>>>> They are in the location of the message preview pane,
>>> Don't you mean the message pane? I know of no preview pane in
>>> Thunderbird.
>>>
>
>
> Larry
> --
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Larry I. Gusaas
>
> *Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
Larry Gusaas
On 2011/03/24 2:27 PM Wayne Mery wrote:
On 3/24/2011 3:33 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 2011/03/24 12:44 PM Wayne Mery wrote:
Nope, I don't mean "message pane".There is no "preview pane" in Thunderbird.
From: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Window_layout_-_Thunderbird
*Message pane*
The message pane is the pane below the thread pane. If you have not
selected any message since Thunderbird started, it displays the
start page. Otherwise it displays the message that is selected in
the thread pane:
The older name given to it is preview pane as far as I know.Not in Thunderbird. Outlook has a preview pane.
I don't care about outlook. :)
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Window_layout_-_Thunderbird is perfectly good and yeah, it's a full featured message pane. However ...
- One must still distinguish between the two ways a message can be displayed, and calling them both "message pane" isn't always helpful.
When you right click on a message in the "Thread pane" you have the option to "Open Message in New Window" or "Open Message in New Tab". "Message Window" or Message Tab" would be appropriate terms. "Message Pane" is not an appropriate term in those cases. A "pane" is part of a window, not a separate window.
- Quite a few bug reports created prior to 2006 (I've excluded newer bugs of the illustration) indicate that "preview pane" was and has been commonly used to refer to this area , <clip />An example of how Outlook (Express) terminology infected users of Thunderbird.
- there are plenty of references that use the "preview" terminology
<clip />Many writers obviously don't know the proper Thunderbird terminology. MS's terminology caused an insidious viral infection of anyone ever exposed to it.
Larry
Larry I. Gusaas
Ron Hunter
What is the effective difference between what you call a 'preview pane',
and a 'message pane' (as opposed to a message window)?
Ron Hunter
> Nope, I don't mean "message pane".
>
> The older name given to it is preview pane as far as I know. I suppose,
> because it isn't very large. Compared to the standalone full windowed
> "message pane" - sometimes qualified as the standalone window or
> standalone message pane.
>
> However, it's not incorrect to call either of them "message pane". But
> because there are two message panes, in support circles it helps to use
> terminology that clearly indicates which is being referred to.
>
> On 3/24/2011 1:13 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
>> On 2011/03/24 10:04 AM Wayne Mery wrote:
>>> They are in the location of the message preview pane,
>> Don't you mean the message pane? I know of no preview pane in
>> Thunderbird.
>>
>>
>> Larry
>> --
>> _____________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry I. Gusaas
>>
>> *Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
>> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
>> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
>> theirs." - Edgard Varese *
>>
>
>
There is a world of difference between a 'message pane' and a 'message
window'. For one, there is no facility for a timer to post the message
as 'viewed' for the message window.
Ron Hunter
It is not accurate to call a 'message window' a 'message pane'. The
'message pane' has very few controls, while the message window has the
full Windows controls, and access to general as well as message specific
functions. VAST difference.
Ray_Net
I prefer http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?file=cj201103/cijPtaA4RJ.jpg
instead of this implementation: >
http://techtips.sw-bs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/O2k7-Auto_Prev_On.PNG
Terry R.
Nothing, except some TB users don't want ANYTHING to be like Outlook.
It's as ridiculous as the HTML vs plain text debate.
Terry R.
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WLS
> On 2011/03/24 10:04 AM Wayne Mery wrote:
>> They are in the location of the message preview pane,
> Don't you mean the message pane? I know of no preview pane in Thunderbird.
>
>
> Larry
> --
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Larry I. Gusaas
>
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
>
Look like previews to me whatever the pane is called.
Adrian Godfrey
and is often not even legible.
And think about this: practically every spam email is HTML
The Web is for HTML.
Outlook in itself is probably not as bad as all the negative
opinions it gets. It's the defaults (much like Windows itself) which
many people don't change (or even know the settings exist). The
infamous win.dat file for example.
Adrian
Ron Hunter
how long a message must be displayed in the message pane before it is
marked read. This leads to calling this pane a 'preview pane'. I don't
believe it affects the message window you get when you double-click a
message header. That is exactly the action that OE always used to
define a 'preview' of the message. There is little benefit to quibbling
about what this pane is called. I believe we all understand that
calling it either 'message pane' or 'preview pane' carries the same
information as it is certainly distinct from a 'message window'.
Ron Hunter
The outlook implementation isn't something I would use, and doesn't
qualify as a 'preview', only as a display of the first x number of
lines. Not a TB feature AFAIK.
WLS
I am aware of that option and agree I don't care what the pane is called.
When there is more than one message displayed like this image. it is
previews in the pane below the header pane to me. Provided you are using
the classic view.
http://img703.imageshack.us/i/smailmozillathunderbird.png/
Wayne Mery
> On 3/24/2011 6:58 PM, WLS wrote:
>> Larry Gusaas wrote:
>>> On 2011/03/24 10:04 AM Wayne Mery wrote:
>>>> They are in the location of the message preview pane,
>>> Don't you mean the message pane? I know of no preview pane in
>>> Thunderbird.
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>> --
>>> _____________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry I. Gusaas
>>>
>>> *Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
>>> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
>>> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
>>> theirs." - Edgard Varese *
>>>
>>
>> Look like previews to me whatever the pane is called.
>>
>> WLS
>>
> In Options/Advanced/reading and display/ there is an option regarding
> how long a message must be displayed in the message pane before it is
> marked read. This leads to calling this pane a 'preview pane'. I don't
> believe it affects the message window you get when you double-click a
> message header.
most definitely it affects the read status the same whereever and
however the message gets accessed or opened - if the option is set to
mark as read immediate, that is exactly the effect in all circumstances
Wayne Mery
If I remember correctly, the terminology used by the authors of what you
see in the "message pane" area is a "summary" or snippets of of the
messages selected.
Terry R.
>
> At 00:24 25/03/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>
>> Nothing, except some TB users don't want ANYTHING to be like
>> Outlook. It's as ridiculous as the HTML vs plain text debate.
>>
>>
>
> HTML doesn't belong in email. It adds nothing, exposes you to viruses
> and is often not even legible.
>
> And think about this: practically every spam email is HTML
>
> The Web is for HTML.
>
> Outlook in itself is probably not as bad as all the negative
> opinions it gets. It's the defaults (much like Windows itself) which
> many people don't change (or even know the settings exist). The
> infamous win.dat file for example.
>
> Adrian
I placed your post under mine for easier reading with my reply.
Your comments are nothing more than your opinion. Tell that to the
millions who use HTML for their email and like it. Like those who use
larger fonts for readability, or those who use different fonts for
expression.
SPAM has NOTHING to do with how users implement HTML.
And HTML is NOT only for the Web, or it wouldn't even be an option now,
would it!
WLS
Well, in the blue bar with the archive and delete buttons above the
"summary" or "snippets" I see "conversations". Still looks like previews
to me.
So whatever the authors call them is fine with me. Even if it is the
authors of the extension that I am not using.
WLS
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Christian Riechers
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> On 3/24/2011 8:43 AM, WLS wrote:
>>> Larry Gusaas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2011/03/23 4:18 PM Ray_Net wrote:
>>>>> J. Frank Parnell wrote:
>>>>>> Heya,
>>>>>> One of the few reasons I'm still using Outlook is cuz i like the way
>>>>>> it shows a preview of the message in the message list, not just the
>>>>>> subject line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> like this pic:
>>>>>> http://techtips.sw-bs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/O2k7-Auto_Prev_On.PNG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I hate this way of doing, because you must "open" your message to look
>>>>> under the 3 first lines. the preview pane is a SUPERB option.
>>>> There is no preview pane in Thunderbird, only the message pane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://img703.imageshack.us/i/smailmozillathunderbird.png/
>>>
>>> Called Converstaions, it looks like previews to me.
>>>
>>> WLS
>>>
>>
>> Not original poster
>>
>> I was aware of that function but, I always ended up there by accident.
>>
>> How do I get there on purpose.
>
> I came across it by accident also, when I selected several messages in a
> folder for deletion, using Ctrl+a, and went oh cool, what's this.
>
> It doesn't work to preview new messages from different folders, but will
> for the same folder. Works only for email, not newsgroups.
>
> It was pointed out to me that there is also an Add-on called Thunderbird
> Conversations currently in alpha status.
>
> "This addon provides a conversation view for Thunderbird, including
> contacts tooltips, attachment thumbnails, quick (inline) reply, contacts
> tooltip, integration with other addons, and much more."
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/
>
> It requires Global Search and Indexer to be enabled.
>
> I do not have this extension installed in TB 3.1.8 or Miramar 3.3a4pre.
>
> WLS
>
TB also has a built-in conversation view. Highlight a message in the
thread pane, then choose from the menu bar: Message - Open in Conversation.
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