Next message disappears
Steve
(text window) disappear when closing the one above it (the prior
message). This has been going on since TB 3 came out. Seems only to
affect the Mac OS.
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goodwin
> TB 3.1.3 still hasn't solved the annoyance of having the next email
> (text window) disappear when closing the one above it (the prior
> message). This has been going on since TB 3 came out. Seems only to
> affect the Mac OS.
I don't understand the question - might you rephrase it?
You say "still hasn't solved" - have you been to this group before?
How do you view your mail - open in its own window?
And you close that window and the nest message in the header pane just
disappears?
Is the problem mentioned in this article -
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disappearing_mail?
John H Meyers
> Is the problem mentioned in this article -
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disappearing_mail
Some of us have the opposite problem -- not being able
to make selected individual (news) messages disappear.
If this new phenomenon can be reproduced,
perhaps it can be a new work-around for the old problem :)
--
goodwin
OP said email, not news.
You /can/ delete your email...
Steve
OK, you have a list of mail in the "mail pane" (don't know what else to
call it). You click on the first unread message and it appears in the
"message pane." When you delete that message, the next in line flashes
open in the message pane, then disappears. If you click on that message
in the "mail pane" you get it back in the message pane and you are back
in business. It used to be, before TB 3 (when this issue first surfaced
on my Mac) that the next message did not do its disappearing act.
Not sure what more I can say.
goodwin
> On 9/1/10 12:28 PM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 08/31/2010 09:32 PM Steve scribbled:
>>
>>> TB 3.1.3 still hasn't solved the annoyance of having the next email
>>> (text window) disappear when closing the one above it (the prior
>>> message). This has been going on since TB 3 came out. Seems only to
>>> affect the Mac OS.
>> I don't understand the question - might you rephrase it?
>> You say "still hasn't solved" - have you been to this group before?
>>
>> How do you view your mail - open in its own window?
>> And you close that window and the nest message in the header pane just
>> disappears?
>>
>> Is the problem mentioned in this article -
>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disappearing_mail?
>>
> I'll try to rephrase. First, this is an intermittent occurrence.
>
> OK, you have a list of mail in the "mail pane" (don't know what else to
> call it). You click on the first unread message and it appears in the
> "message pane." When you delete that message, the next in line flashes
> open in the message pane, then disappears. If you click on that message
> in the "mail pane" you get it back in the message pane and you are back
> in business. It used to be, before TB 3 (when this issue first surfaced
> on my Mac) that the next message did not do its disappearing act.
>
> Not sure what more I can say.
>
are you using Kapersky AV?
using a firewall?
usng any message filters?
John H Meyers
> OP said email, not news.
> You /can/ delete your email...
Well I say, anything you can find that might also help news
would be a boon :) <=== (and see that symbol there)
There is also an option
Reading & Display > Close message window on delete
This option does _not_ work (tab stays open and next message appears)
in 3.0.6 on Win XP -- perhaps it actually _does_ work on MacOS ?
--
goodwin
> On 9/1/2010 7:58 PM, goodwin wrote:
>
>> OP said email, not news.
>> You /can/ delete your email...
>
> Well I say, anything you can find that might also help news
> would be a boon :) <=== (and see that symbol there)
>
> There is also an option
> Reading & Display > Close message window on delete
I can only surmise that that works only when messages are opened in
their own window.
>
> This option does _not_ work (tab stays open and next message appears)
> in 3.0.6 on Win XP -- perhaps it actually _does_ work on MacOS ?
>
Now you're talking tabs - don't use them myself. However, you show
using 3.0.6, which is a tad buggy to start with - part of reason why 3.1
came along so fast. I were you, I'd step up to 3.1.x or step down to
2.x. Can't say what was fixed in 3.1 myself - it has its own foibles
but is much better than the 3.0 I tried some time ago.
But you have to know this already - why do you stay at 3.0?
Traveller
> On 9/1/10 12:28 PM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 08/31/2010 09:32 PM Steve scribbled:
>>
>>> TB 3.1.3 still hasn't solved the annoyance of having the next email
>>> (text window) disappear when closing the one above it (the prior
>>> message). This has been going on since TB 3 came out. Seems only to
>>> affect the Mac OS.
>> I don't understand the question - might you rephrase it?
>> You say "still hasn't solved" - have you been to this group before?
>>
>> How do you view your mail - open in its own window?
>> And you close that window and the nest message in the header pane just
>> disappears?
>>
>> Is the problem mentioned in this article -
>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disappearing_mail?
>>
> I'll try to rephrase. First, this is an intermittent occurrence.
>
> OK, you have a list of mail in the "mail pane" (don't know what else to
> call it). You click on the first unread message and it appears in the
> "message pane." When you delete that message, the next in line flashes
> open in the message pane, then disappears. If you click on that message
> in the "mail pane" you get it back in the message pane and you are back
> in business. It used to be, before TB 3 (when this issue first surfaced
> on my Mac) that the next message did not do its disappearing act.
>
> Not sure what more I can say.
>
I have seen this happen if TB is performing a task in the background
while loading the next message. The message will appear briefly, then,
when TB finishes whatever it was doing (usually compacting folders in my
case) the display reverts to a blank message pane and the target email
unselected. I suspect that it is due to TB reindexing the folder after
compacting, and in the process losing track of the last selected
message. I doubt that anything can be done to "remedy" the situation.
Dave
John H Meyers
> Why do you stay at 3.0[.6]?
Because I read the experiences of 3.1, on this newsgroup :)
Continuous productivity is important to some folks,
and many a "new version" steers users right off the road instead
(just as at Opera, which is why I'm [temporarily] using TB for news),
so I'll let everyone else be the guinea pig,
and wait for something that's been fixed and finally stable.
--
Ron Hunter
none but minor glitches with 3.1.2. It is MUCH more usable, and stable,
than prior versions.
Chris Ilias
> OK, you have a list of mail in the "mail pane" (don't know what else to
> call it). You click on the first unread message and it appears in the
> "message pane." When you delete that message, the next in line flashes
> open in the message pane, then disappears. If you click on that message
> in the "mail pane" you get it back in the message pane and you are back
> in business. It used to be, before TB 3 (when this issue first surfaced
> on my Mac) that the next message did not do its disappearing act.
>
> Not sure what more I can say.
I'm using Thunderbird 3.1.2 on Mac 10.6.4, and I don't have that problem.
If you close Thunderbird, then hold down the <option> key when you start
it, it should start in Thunderbird Safe Mode [1]. Does the problem still
occur in Safe Mode?
[1]<http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Safe+Mode>
--
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia
Bill Braun
> I have had a LOT of trouble with all the versions prior to 3.1.2, but
> none but minor glitches with 3.1.2. It is MUCH more usable, and
> stable, than prior versions.
I had decided that I wasn't going to upgrade until you seemed satisfied.
I have a number of POP accounts. Can you offer a FAQ of sorts about what
I should do when upgrading, and what settings (in the Option UI or in
about:config) that I ought to change. And, is there any way to prevent
indexing. I've got a number of decent sized boxes (all compacted), and I
do not want to fall into the"indexing forever" trap if possible.
Regards and thank you,
Bill B
goodwin
I'll let Ron do the FAQ.
As far as indexing goes, tools>options>advanced>general
make sure global search and indexer is unchecked.
Other settings would be changed per your own preference - best to just
go through the options and see what you want and don't want - tabs and
indexing were just about all I had to shut off - mind the new account
wizard on install, you may have to throttle it to stop it from assuming
IMAP email but that isn't dangerous, just annoying.
Ron Hunter
First, make a backup of your entire profile, just to make it easier to
go back, should you still be dissatisfied with 3.1.2.
Then just install 3.1.2, and run it. It will give you some options to
install some extensions. Accept them, they make things more like TB2.
Everything should work. You might want to turn off the tab feature. I
don't recall how to do this, but I am sure you can Google it. If you
have a netbook, or other widescreen monitor, you might want to use
Compact Headers (one of the suggested extensions), to reduce the wasted
space in the header pane of your messages. You can also rotate the
displays in the folder pane to get the display you like best.
The first thing you will probably want to do after you start TB3 is to
shut down the indexing if you don't want to use it. If you have small
inbox(s), it probably won't make much difference, but if you are one of
us who often lets his inbox grow to several gigabytes, you probably
won't want indexing to run.
Tools/options/advanced/general tab will give you settings for the
indexing options.
Steve
I'm guessing that's not the issue.
Steve
> On 9/1/2010 7:58 PM, goodwin wrote:
>
>> OP said email, not news.
>> You /can/ delete your email...
> Well I say, anything you can find that might also help news
> would be a boon :)<=== (and see that symbol there)
>
> There is also an option
>
> This option does _not_ work (tab stays open and next message appears)
> in 3.0.6 on Win XP -- perhaps it actually _does_ work on MacOS ?
>
Steve
> On 09/02/2010 10:49 AM John H Meyers scribbled:
>
>> On 9/1/2010 7:58 PM, goodwin wrote:
>>
>>> OP said email, not news.
>>> You /can/ delete your email...
>> Well I say, anything you can find that might also help news
>> would be a boon :)<=== (and see that symbol there)
>>
>> There is also an option
> I can only surmise that that works only when messages are opened in
> their own window.
>
>> This option does _not_ work (tab stays open and next message appears)
>> in 3.0.6 on Win XP -- perhaps it actually _does_ work on MacOS ?
>>
> Now you're talking tabs - don't use them myself. However, you show
> using 3.0.6, which is a tad buggy to start with - part of reason why 3.1
> came along so fast. I were you, I'd step up to 3.1.x or step down to
> 2.x. Can't say what was fixed in 3.1 myself - it has its own foibles
> but is much better than the 3.0 I tried some time ago.
>
> But you have to know this already - why do you stay at 3.0?
>
Steve
Steve
> On 10-09-02 11:32 AM, Steve wrote:
>> OK, you have a list of mail in the "mail pane" (don't know what else to
>> call it). You click on the first unread message and it appears in the
>> "message pane." When you delete that message, the next in line flashes
>> open in the message pane, then disappears. If you click on that message
>> in the "mail pane" you get it back in the message pane and you are back
>> in business. It used to be, before TB 3 (when this issue first surfaced
>> on my Mac) that the next message did not do its disappearing act.
>>
>> Not sure what more I can say.
>
> I'm using Thunderbird 3.1.2 on Mac 10.6.4, and I don't have that problem.
>
> If you close Thunderbird, then hold down the <option> key when you
> start it, it should start in Thunderbird Safe Mode [1]. Does the
> problem still occur in Safe Mode?
>
> [1]<http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Safe+Mode>
>
goodwin
> On 9/2/10 11:38 AM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 09/02/2010 10:49 AM John H Meyers scribbled:
>>
>>> On 9/1/2010 7:58 PM, goodwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> OP said email, not news.
>>>> You /can/ delete your email...
>>> Well I say, anything you can find that might also help news
>>> would be a boon :)<=== (and see that symbol there)
>>>
>>> There is also an option
>>> Reading& Display> Close message window on delete
>> I can only surmise that that works only when messages are opened in
>> their own window.
>>
>>> This option does _not_ work (tab stays open and next message appears)
>>> in 3.0.6 on Win XP -- perhaps it actually _does_ work on MacOS ?
>>>
>> Now you're talking tabs - don't use them myself. However, you show
>> using 3.0.6, which is a tad buggy to start with - part of reason why 3.1
>> came along so fast. I were you, I'd step up to 3.1.x or step down to
>> 2.x. Can't say what was fixed in 3.1 myself - it has its own foibles
>> but is much better than the 3.0 I tried some time ago.
>>
>> But you have to know this already - why do you stay at 3.0?
>>
> I am using 3.1.3! Why TB says NOT is a mystery to me!
>
I was talking to another poster, Steve, and apologize for using your
thread...
goodwin
oh well, elsewhere then...
Steve
suggestion of using TB in Safe Mode. We shall see.
Timo Pietilä
I'd say the same. If you are using 3.X there is pretty much no reason
for it to be 3.1.x. If you were using 2.X then I would hesitate to move
to 3.1.X
Timo Pietilä
Timo Pietilä
>If you are using 3.X there is pretty much no reason
> for it to be 3.1.x.
to be -> not to be.
Brain is faster than hand again.
Timo Pietilä
Bill Braun
Thank you, goodwin. I understood that TB3 immediately launched into
indexing and there was no real opportunity to shut it off. Has that changed?
Bill B
John Doue
> On 9/2/2010 1:38 PM, goodwin wrote:
>
>> > Why do you stay at 3.0[.6]?
Two reasons AFAIAC:
- Subscribing in News-group remains case sensitive; if there is a valid
reason for this, I would be glad to know it. Small thing, but makes life
more complicated.
- Message attachments cannot be highlighted with the mouse, making
individual selection needlessly clumsy.
I have very little to complain about 3.0.6. The (temporary!) occasional
vanishing act of emails after deletion in the Inbox, although it should
not happen, is the only inconvenience I encountered. It seems to be a
video problem and it does not impact the integrity of the emails.
Besides, I am not convinced of the usefulness of the new Quick Filter bar.
--
John Doue
Bill Braun
Thank you, Ron, very much. I responded to goodwin with a question on
indexing. You refer to it also. Does the install routine give the chance
to turn indexing off before it starts indexing?
Bill B
Ron Hunter
Ron Hunter
then restart TB.
Bill Braun
Thank you, much appreciated, Ron.
Bill B
Bill Braun
Uneventful so far, thank you again for your help.
Bill B
John H Meyers
>> There is also an option
>> Reading & Display > Close message window on delete
> Wow!! That's a new one. Can't find "close message window on delete."
Tools > Options > Advanced
Reading & Display > Close message window on delete
Has never worked for me (next message always appears instead,
in place of the one deleted) -- should it work only for
messages opened in separate windows,
and not for messages opened in separate tabs?
--
Andrew Price
>Thank you, goodwin. I understood that TB3 immediately launched into
>indexing and there was no real opportunity to shut it off.
What's so bad about indexing?
Bill Braun
I was not making a qualitative statement. It was a matter of not wanting
it. I have no use for it. I've never failed to find what I want using
Search Messages. So far...
Bill B
John H Meyers
If indexing "locks up" TB for anyone,
then turning it off before starting TB would seem useful.
As to turning it off before starting TB,
do we know where that setting is stored, and in what file?
--
Ron Hunter
to do the indexing, and on an older system, this can adversely affect
other operations.
Mike Easter
> If indexing "locks up" TB for anyone,
> then turning it off before starting TB would seem useful.
>
> As to turning it off before starting TB,
> do we know where that setting is stored, and in what file?
You could use a browser (or some other method) and go offline before
starting Tbird and not let it go online.
Then you could disable Global Search and Indexer here - screenshot
http://peek.snipr.com/11ai2e
... and you could disable Message Synchronization function here -
screenshot http://peek.snipr.com/11ai5l
Screenshots from this article
http://perfprotector.blogspot.com/2010/08/thunderbird-3-is-it-really-all-yours.html
The conditions as outlined in the article were 'favorable' to
demonstrate the problem and thus promote the blog's freeware product -
<q> What went wrong from version 2 to 3? How bad it is? - To understand
the exact problem we reproduced it in our lab. We set up Linux (Ubuntu)
and Windows (XP, Vista and 7) machines and tested them first with
Thunderbird 2 (version 2.0.0.24) and then with Thunderbird 3 (versions
3.0 and 3.1.1). On each machine we configured a GMAIL IMAP account with
a real mailbox that has about 9,000 e-mails from the last 4 years where
the total size of the mailbox was less than 5 GB. This mailbox reflects
an activity of about 5 e-mails per day with an average size of about
500KB per e-mail. </q>
But considering that so many people are going to have a gmail account
with a lot of mail and considering that Tbird wants to IMAP the person
new to Tbird but 'old' to gmail, the 'threat' of the conditions
described in the article is very very real, not just 'manufactured' by
the researchers to make Tbird look bad.
--
Mike Easter
Steve
> On 10-09-02 11:32 AM, Steve wrote:
>> OK, you have a list of mail in the "mail pane" (don't know what else to
>> call it). You click on the first unread message and it appears in the
>> "message pane." When you delete that message, the next in line flashes
>> open in the message pane, then disappears. If you click on that message
>> in the "mail pane" you get it back in the message pane and you are back
>> in business. It used to be, before TB 3 (when this issue first surfaced
>> on my Mac) that the next message did not do its disappearing act.
>>
>> Not sure what more I can say.
>
> I'm using Thunderbird 3.1.2 on Mac 10.6.4, and I don't have that problem.
>
> If you close Thunderbird, then hold down the <option> key when you
> start it, it should start in Thunderbird Safe Mode [1]. Does the
> problem still occur in Safe Mode?
>
> [1]<http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Safe+Mode>
>
Mode. Chris had asked me to try this.
The Real Bev
> On 9/3/2010 5:43 PM, Andrew Price wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:51:50 -0400, Bill Braun<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, goodwin. I understood that TB3 immediately launched into
>>> indexing and there was no real opportunity to shut it off.
>>
>> What's so bad about indexing?
It takes hours the first time it happens. When you're not expecting it
it's terrifying -- What's wrong with my machine? Is my ISP down? What
am I doing in the background that makes everything so slow? Maybe if I
reboot...
> I was not making a qualitative statement. It was a matter of not wanting
> it. I have no use for it. I've never failed to find what I want using
> Search Messages. So far...
I wish it were possible to search all accounts simultaneously -- I've
got half a dozen and it's a real pain to have to search each one
individually.
I finally set it to compact if it will save 300K. I feel much better now.
--
Cheers, Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Screw the end users. If they want good software,
let them write it themselves." -- Anon.
Irné
On 2010-09-07 4:23:46, The Real Bev wrote:
I wish it were possible to search all accounts simultaneously -- I've got half a dozen and it's a real pain to have to search each one individually.
BTW, there's 2 other searches which may just be confusing you:
- The old TB2 search (Menu: Edit --> Find --> Search Messages...; or Right-click on the folder --> Search...; or Ctrl+Shift+F) opens the old Search Messages window. This only works for one folder (and its sub-folders) at a time.
- The brand new Filter search: just above the column headings you should have a bar starting with "Quick Filter" - on its right side is a box for entering keywords. For those who're used to Outlook, it works much the same as OL's filter, in that you type the words and the current folder displays only the messages which match. You can then tell it to match on one or more of Sender, Recipients, Subject or Body. This only works on the current folder.
-- Regards, Irné Barnard
John H Meyers
Eudora has always had the ability to perform any search
over any or all mailboxes at once, without indexing anything,
by simply marking, on a "folder tree," all the mailboxes to search
(marking a higher level means "and all lower,"
just as in many similar "tree controls")
This simply searches through each marked folder in turn,
sparing the user from ever having to repeat the same search
on one folder at a time, and enabling final global sorting
on any result column (e.g. subject, To/From, date).
A _much faster_ search feature, from x1.com,
was offered in Eudora version 7 -- this feature operated
by creating a huge index, but was not _required_
to perform sophisticated searches of all kinds.
Other user-minded qualities of Eudora's "X1" indexer:
o Runs as a "background" task.
o Pauses whenever the user is actively working on anything.
--