microsoft producer
Ilan Tsameret
i have clients using firefox in linux & my projects do not work for them,
its a big problem
Is there a solution???
Ilan
John Fraser
"Ilan Tsameret" <Il...@v-g.co.il> wrote in message
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I know of one website which is created in Microsoft Powerpoint. It
contains 24 links which are compiled in a slide format. It works with
Internet Explorer, it does not work with Firefox. And yes, I have spoken to
the administrator whose response is "Tough". Here is the link should any
wish to try: www.rhouse.ca
Cheers,
John
Christopher Jahn
Don't use MicroSoft products to build web pages. Their software
is notorious for producing sites that only work in their browser.
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Ron Hunter
Use a program that produces STANDARDS COMPLIANT CODE!. Microsoft
products will code so that ONLY IE will be able to decode the html.
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Ron Hunter
maintains the Firefox user interface.
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SteveG
If you can't produce standards compliant code don't complain when
superior browsers have problems decoding it. If you design a site to
work in IE then that's what it'll work in.
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Regards
Steve G
John Fraser
"SteveG" <he...@notthere.com> wrote in message
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You don't have to tell me. For the most part, Internet Explorer is the
defacto web browser and those who choose to use Firefox are considered to be
anti-Microsoft, not necessarily looking for a better browser. I will say
this about Firefox, it should be used to proof web pages although it has one
styling quirk that I know of which flags a problem during a validation
check. I've seen too many corporate websites intended for use with IE which
have display issues. They have no excuse, but I get the same answer: live
with it.
Cheers,
John
John Fraser
"Ron Hunter" <rphu...@charter.net> wrote in message
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I'm not familiar with that one. I just open the page in IE letting each
browser do what it does best. Oddly, the site Administrator informed me the
website works in Firefox, too. Other than a disappointing grunt, he never
elaborated on what he saw. I can guess it was the same I was looking at
which was a black page with links which opened to more black pages adorned
with a slide number. However, the bottom line was that if I didn't use IE,
that was my problem, not his.
Cheers,
John
squaredancer
generate the following:? :
"You are therefore saying inasmuch as that
*YOU ARE INCAPABLE*
of correcting your website" ??
reg
goodwin
was,what came out the other side::
m$ does html their own way - I suppose 'tough' is correct...
Ron Hunter
Depending on the purpose of the website, this attitude may be ok. If,
for instance, this is a support site for IE, or for something that
requires ActiveX to do what must be done, then requiring IE is not such
a bad thing.
As for using IE, no thanks. I use it ONLY for Windows UPdate as the
user interface (particularly for IE7) stinks to high heaven. Using IE
Tab allows me to use the Firefox user interface, and still access those
sites that the FF rendering engine can't figure out.
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John Fraser
"squaredancer" <square...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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I did correct a problem on my website by using a substitute. Works with
both browsers. But, mine was designed using Firefox to check it against.
There exists many whose websites are intended for Internet Explorer because
that is what their business uses. If Firefox can't display the site
properly, it works for them and that's all that counts.
Cheers,
John
Pete Holsberg
<snip>
> You don't have to tell me. For the most part, Internet Explorer is
> the defacto web browser and those who choose to use Firefox are
> considered to be anti-Microsoft, not necessarily looking for a better
> browser.
By whom?
> I will say this about Firefox, it should be used to proof web pages
> although it has one styling quirk that I know of which flags a
> problem during a validation check.
What styling quirk is that?
> I've seen too many corporate websites intended for use with IE which
> have display issues. They have no excuse, but I get the same answer:
> live with it.
There are some websites that are designed for IE specifically and the
designers either don't care about standards or are not aware of them. I
think that FrontPage produces pages like that.
Many webmasters I have contacted ran their pages through the W3C
validator and expressed thanks for my pointing it out (they were
unaware). Others wanted the MS quirks, uh, features and couldn't care
less about people who did not use IE. If they ran a site for a company
that I did business with, I stopped and wrote a note to their president
telling him/her why I stopped. Never did get an answer! :-)
Ron Hunter
certainly does make sense. For others, ignoring something like 30% of
users doesn't.
In some European countries, IE runs a poor second to Firefox.
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John Fraser
"Pete Holsberg" <p...@mccc.edu> wrote in message
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> John Fraser keyed the following on 6/9/2007 5:24 PM:
>
> <snip>
>
>> You don't have to tell me. For the most part, Internet Explorer is
>> the defacto web browser and those who choose to use Firefox are
>> considered to be anti-Microsoft, not necessarily looking for a better
>> browser.
>
> By whom?
I've been told that by people who are pro Internet Explorer.
>
>> I will say this about Firefox, it should be used to proof web pages
>> although it has one styling quirk that I know of which flags a
>> problem during a validation check.
>
> What styling quirk is that?
Attribute of Horizontal Rule: IE uses foreground while FF prefers
background.
>
>> I've seen too many corporate websites intended for use with IE which
>> have display issues. They have no excuse, but I get the same answer:
>> live with it.
>
> There are some websites that are designed for IE specifically and the
> designers either don't care about standards or are not aware of them. I
> think that FrontPage produces pages like that.
It does to some extent, as well as something called Avanquest. The
website I referenced is a Powerpoint presentation with an HTML overlay. I'd
be surprised to hear that many designers aren't aware of some standards
unless they were self taught only the basics. I feel that IE utilizes a
form of fuzzy logic which helps counter minor mistakes. It gets people up
and running much easier.
>
> Many webmasters I have contacted ran their pages through the W3C validator
> and expressed thanks for my pointing it out (they were unaware). Others
> wanted the MS quirks, uh, features and couldn't care less about people who
> did not use IE. If they ran a site for a company that I did business with,
> I stopped and wrote a note to their president telling him/her why I
> stopped. Never did get an answer! :-)
Me either. I can understand a website being incompatible with Firefox
if it uses Active-X scripting or something that is uniquely Microsoft.
Cheers,
John
Pete Holsberg
> Good evening Pete;
>
> "Pete Holsberg" <p...@mccc.edu> wrote...
>
> > John Fraser keyed the following on 6/9/2007 5:24 PM:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> You don't have to tell me. For the most part, Internet Explorer
> >> is the defacto web browser and those who choose to use Firefox
> >> are considered to be anti-Microsoft, not necessarily looking for
> >> a better browser.
> > By whom?
>
> I've been told that by people who are pro Internet Explorer.
Duh!
> >> I will say this about Firefox, it should be used to proof web
> >> pages although it has one styling quirk that I know of which
> >> flags a problem during a validation check.
> > What styling quirk is that?
>
> Attribute of Horizontal Rule: IE uses foreground while FF prefers
> background.
And what does the STANDARD say????
> >> I've seen too many corporate websites intended for use with IE
> >> which have display issues. They have no excuse, but I get the
> >> same answer: live with it.
> > There are some websites that are designed for IE specifically and
> > the designers either don't care about standards or are not aware of
> > them. I think that FrontPage produces pages like that.
>
> It does to some extent, as well as something called Avanquest. The
> website I referenced is a Powerpoint presentation with an HTML
> overlay. I'd be surprised to hear that many designers aren't aware
> of some standards unless they were self taught only the basics. I
> feel that IE utilizes a form of fuzzy logic which helps counter minor
> mistakes. It gets people up and running much easier.
IE doesn't create webpages.
John Fraser
"Pete Holsberg" <p...@mccc.edu> wrote in message
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> John Fraser keyed the following on 6/10/2007 6:10 PM:
>> Good evening Pete;
>>
>> "Pete Holsberg" <p...@mccc.edu> wrote...
>>
>> > John Fraser keyed the following on 6/9/2007 5:24 PM:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> >> You don't have to tell me. For the most part, Internet Explorer
>> >> is the defacto web browser and those who choose to use Firefox
>> >> are considered to be anti-Microsoft, not necessarily looking for
>> >> a better browser.
>
>> > By whom?
>>
>> I've been told that by people who are pro Internet Explorer.
>
> Duh!
>
>> >> I will say this about Firefox, it should be used to proof web
>> >> pages although it has one styling quirk that I know of which
>> >> flags a problem during a validation check.
>
>> > What styling quirk is that?
>>
>> Attribute of Horizontal Rule: IE uses foreground while FF prefers
>> background.
>
> And what does the STANDARD say????
The Validator prefers foreground.
>
>> >> I've seen too many corporate websites intended for use with IE
>> >> which have display issues. They have no excuse, but I get the
>> >> same answer: live with it.
>
>> > There are some websites that are designed for IE specifically and
>> > the designers either don't care about standards or are not aware of
>> > them. I think that FrontPage produces pages like that.
>>
>> It does to some extent, as well as something called Avanquest. The
>> website I referenced is a Powerpoint presentation with an HTML
>> overlay. I'd be surprised to hear that many designers aren't aware
>> of some standards unless they were self taught only the basics. I
>> feel that IE utilizes a form of fuzzy logic which helps counter minor
>> mistakes. It gets people up and running much easier.
>
> IE doesn't create webpages.
Aye, it displays them and works around minor problems such as forgetting
to close certain tags, but not all tags.
Cheers,
John
Christopher Jahn
news:QM-dnbQkhe3h3PDb...@mozilla.org:
>> IE doesn't create webpages.
>
> Aye, it displays them and works around minor problems such
> as forgetting
> to close certain tags, but not all tags.
And what software is usually the source of codes that fails to
close certain tags, but not all tags? MicroSoft FrontPage.
It's almost as if the designers of IE knew what mistakes
FrontPage was going to make....
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Pete Holsberg
> >>>> I will say this about Firefox, it should be used to proof web
> >>>> pages although it has one styling quirk that I know of which
> >>>> flags a problem during a validation check.
> >>> What styling quirk is that?
> >> Attribute of Horizontal Rule: IE uses foreground while FF prefers
> >> background.
> > And what does the STANDARD say????
> The Validator prefers foreground.
I looked at <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/graphics.html#h-15.3>
and I don;t see anything about foreground or background. What particular
attribute are you referring to?
> > IE doesn't create webpages.
>
> Aye, it displays them and works around minor problems such as
> forgetting to close certain tags, but not all tags.
No comment. ;-)
John Fraser
"Christopher Jahn" <xj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:QM-dnbQkhe3h3PDb...@mozilla.org:
>
>>> IE doesn't create webpages.
>>
>> Aye, it displays them and works around minor problems such
>> as forgetting
>> to close certain tags, but not all tags.
>
> And what software is usually the source of codes that fails to
> close certain tags, but not all tags? MicroSoft FrontPage.
>
> It's almost as if the designers of IE knew what mistakes
> FrontPage was going to make....
>
> --
> }:-) Christopher Jahn
I use Notepad or UltraEdit. I prefer the latter as it can be used to
compare pages or view multiple pages. It's very easy to open paragraphs &
font colours and not close them because IE will correct for it.
Cheers,
John
John Fraser
"Pete Holsberg" <p...@mccc.edu> wrote in message
news:mailman.1187.118159649...@lists.mozilla.org...
> John Fraser keyed the following on 6/11/2007 8:34 AM:
>
>> >>>> I will say this about Firefox, it should be used to proof web
>> >>>> pages although it has one styling quirk that I know of which
>> >>>> flags a problem during a validation check.
>
>> >>> What styling quirk is that?
>
>> >> Attribute of Horizontal Rule: IE uses foreground while FF prefers
>> >> background.
>
>> > And what does the STANDARD say????
>
>> The Validator prefers foreground.
>
> I looked at <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/graphics.html#h-15.3>
> and I don;t see anything about foreground or background. What particular
> attribute are you referring to?
It was the colour (color) tag for Horizontal Rule. And yes, I used the
style sheet. IE prefers foreground while FF prefers background. My oldest
son explained to me that Microsoft treats an HR as text. Does this sound
right?
Cheers,
John
Christopher Jahn
> Good evening Christopher;
>
> "Christopher Jahn" <xj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns994C652...@216.196.97.169...
>> "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in
>> news:QM-dnbQkhe3h3PDb...@mozilla.org:
>>
>>>> IE doesn't create webpages.
>>>
>>> Aye, it displays them and works around minor problems
>>> such as forgetting
>>> to close certain tags, but not all tags.
>>
>> And what software is usually the source of codes that fails
>> to close certain tags, but not all tags? MicroSoft FrontPage.
>>
>> It's almost as if the designers of IE knew what mistakes
>> FrontPage was going to make....
>>
> I use Notepad or UltraEdit. I prefer the latter as it can
> be used to
> compare pages or view multiple pages. It's very easy to open
> paragraphs & font colours and not close them because IE will
> correct for it.
>
So what you're saying is that you suck at coding, but IE lets you
suck at coding.
Aspiring to mediocrity isn't anything to boast about.
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John Fraser
"Christopher Jahn" <xj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:8YWdnU6fFan4efDb...@mozilla.org:
>
>> Good evening Christopher;
>>
>> "Christopher Jahn" <xj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns994C652...@216.196.97.169...
>>> "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in
>>> news:QM-dnbQkhe3h3PDb...@mozilla.org:
>>>
>>>>> IE doesn't create webpages.
>>>>
>>>> Aye, it displays them and works around minor problems
>>>> such as forgetting
>>>> to close certain tags, but not all tags.
>>>
>>> And what software is usually the source of codes that fails
>>> to close certain tags, but not all tags? MicroSoft FrontPage.
>>>
>>> It's almost as if the designers of IE knew what mistakes
>>> FrontPage was going to make....
>>>
>> I use Notepad or UltraEdit. I prefer the latter as it can
>> be used to
>> compare pages or view multiple pages. It's very easy to open
>> paragraphs & font colours and not close them because IE will
>> correct for it.
>>
>
> So what you're saying is that you suck at coding, but IE lets you
> suck at coding.
IE apparently allows professionals to suck at coding, too. I've
encountered corporate websites which are not completely readable in Firefox
although they are in IE. Do they suck at coding, too?
>
> Aspiring to mediocrity isn't anything to boast about.
> --
> }:-) Christopher Jahn
No arguments there, Mate. My efforts at XHTML coding are taught from
books which can be confusing. It would seem that Javascript as copied from
online libraries tends to flag a lot of errors when the page is validated.
Why is that?
Cheers,
John
Christopher Jahn
> It's very easy to open
>>> paragraphs & font colours and not close them because IE will
>>> correct for it.
>>>
>>
>> So what you're saying is that you suck at coding, but IE lets
>> you suck at coding.
>
> IE apparently allows professionals to suck at coding, too.
> I've
> encountered corporate websites which are not completely
> readable in Firefox although they are in IE. Do they suck at
> coding, too?
Yes. If they can't do something as simple as close the tags?
Absolutely they suck.
If a heart surgeon keeps leaving surgical tools in the patient's
chest, wouldn't you believe they had a problem? If your mechanic
forgot to tighten the bolts on your new part, wouldn't you find
that problematic? Oh, the cook forgot to flip your burger, so
it's raw on one side - but everything else is done. Is that ok
with you?
So why give webmasters a break when they don't finish the job?
Especially when there are loads of tools to help you keep your
web page compliant with the w3c standards for HTML.
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Ilan Tsameret :
i cannot find any other softwre capable of syncing power point
presentations with video in real time video capture
and publishing the output to html readable in firefox
Brian Sullivan
> Ilan Tsameret :
>
> >microsoft producerhtm projects do not open in firefox !!!
Producer can produce output that is runnable in Firefox -- the "user
experience" though is so downgraded though that it is probably not
usable.
Most people that create Producer output ignore the Mac and non IE
browsers for that reason and most do not even test in other browsers.
With the demise of Producer (not supported in current or future PPT
versions), I went looking for something that did a similar job
(allowing audio/video to manage a PPT presentation) my choice was
"Articulate". It has the advantage of output that is Flash based so
that it plays in just about any browser/platform.
James
specific sites I need in day to day operations unfortunately since it
uses the IE rendering engine, or so I have been told, it will not work
on a non-M$ OS. I am considering testing one machine with Linux as the
main OS & a Wx version running on top as a virtual machine. That
should, I hope, provide the best of both worlds. The majority of
browsing related work done in FF on Linux and for those sites that are
just the M$ centric I will use FF with IETab on a M$ OS. For those
using Power Point I use Open Office and save in the PP version run at
the destination. Most frequently there a, at most, minimal changes
needed but then I do not go over board on the tricky features either.
James