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Dr Chris Greene
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> HelpI need help to get my outlook express to launch from mozilla
> firefox. It is only working from my internet explorer. Please, send
> me a link for downloading or step-by-step directions.
Make FF your default browser:
Tools --> Options -->General --> Default Browser --> Check Now
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Integrating_Firefox_and_Outlook_Express
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> Dr Chris Greene wrote:
>
>
>>HelpI need help to get my outlook express to launch from mozilla
>>firefox. It is only working from my internet explorer. Please, send
>>me a link for downloading or step-by-step directions.
>
>
> Make FF your default browser:
>
> Tools --> Options -->General --> Default Browser --> Check Now
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Integrating_Firefox_and_Outlook_Express
>
if that doesn't work, then close FF, and look in the Control Panel,
click on Internet Options, then the Programs tab. Down near the
bottom will be a check box for making IE the default browser. Check
the box, open IE, close IE, then open FF and FF should ask if you want
to make it the default.
CBFalconer
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> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
> Encoding: quoted-printable
Please do not use html nor mime encoding in news groups. They are
a security risk to all.
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Moz Champion (Dan)
> Dr Chris Greene wrote:
>> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
>> Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Please do not use html nor mime encoding in news groups. They are
> a security risk to all.
>
Using HTML is not a security risk.
Its not recommended to use it in newsgroups or in email to those who
have not indicated they welcome such, but thats simply personal preference.
HTML is the language of the internet, the www. If it isnt a security
risk for browsing, then it isnt a security risk for email/news.
Please dont use HTML in newsgroups unless they specifically allow such
snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.test.multimedia
news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.test.multimedia
are two groups that welcome HTML in news, and there are others as well.
CBFalconer
> CBFalconer wrote:
>> Dr Chris Greene wrote:
>
>>> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
>>> Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>> Please do not use html nor mime encoding in news groups. They are
>> a security risk to all.
>
> Using HTML is not a security risk.
> Its not recommended to use it in newsgroups or in email to those
> who have not indicated they welcome such, but thats simply personal
> preference.
>
> HTML is the language of the internet, the www. If it isnt a security
> risk for browsing, then it isnt a security risk for email/news.
The security risk is to those using inferior newsreaders. You and
I are protected from the basic risk, but not from invasions of
other systems, which then in turn may be emitting spam under our
names.
Moz Champion (Dan)
> "Moz Champion (Dan)" wrote:
>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>> Dr Chris Greene wrote:
>>>> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
>>>> Encoding: quoted-printable
>>> Please do not use html nor mime encoding in news groups. They are
>>> a security risk to all.
>> Using HTML is not a security risk.
>> Its not recommended to use it in newsgroups or in email to those
>> who have not indicated they welcome such, but thats simply personal
>> preference.
>>
>> HTML is the language of the internet, the www. If it isnt a security
>> risk for browsing, then it isnt a security risk for email/news.
>
> The security risk is to those using inferior newsreaders. You and
> I are protected from the basic risk, but not from invasions of
> other systems, which then in turn may be emitting spam under our
> names.
>
Then you mispoke...
You clearly said "They are a security risk to all."
yet now you say its only those using inferior news readers?
Most users in this group use Thunderbird or Mozilla or SeaMonkey, tho
there are those who use other news readers as well, so just whom is your
warning directed at? Just what are these 'inferior' news readers?
And, then, just what is the security risk associatted with these
'inferior' products stemming from HTML? If HTML is a 'security risk'
with a news reader, then it would be as much, if not more of a 'security
risk' with a browser - and almost ALL browsers read HTML (there are a
few plain text ones).
HTML is not a 'security risk' - or are you advocating that no one browse
the www?
CBFalconer
>
... snip ...
>
> HTML is not a 'security risk' - or are you advocating that no one
> browse the www?
To an extent, yes. The moment you access a remote image, you
confirm your existance. If the link was supplied in an email you
confirm your email address. If it was supplied in a news item you
give up other less important info. Why let all this potential
trouble into newsgroups in the first place, when pure text handles
everything needed?
Moz Champion (Dan)
> "Moz Champion (Dan)" wrote:
> ... snip ...
>> HTML is not a 'security risk' - or are you advocating that no one
>> browse the www?
>
> To an extent, yes. The moment you access a remote image, you
> confirm your existance. If the link was supplied in an email you
> confirm your email address. If it was supplied in a news item you
> give up other less important info. Why let all this potential
> trouble into newsgroups in the first place, when pure text handles
> everything needed?
>
connecting to a link only infers an IP, which exists anyway, and is
required for you to get data (while browsing)
No, a link does not automatically confirm your address. To do so, the
link must either actually contain your address, or the site must be
configured for such.
In over 10,000 spam messages received (over 5+ years) less than 200 had
these features
Sure its POSSIBLE, but quite improbable in reality
In fact I just looked through the last 400 spam received - NONE of them
use such tricks.
And whats more, to defeat such trickery you simply select
X Block loading of remote images in mail messages
not declare HTML a security risk
And whats this about plain text not doing the same thing? I can put a
link into my message (in plain text) that if clicked on, would do the
same thing. So how is declaring HTML a 'security risk' protecting you?
Besides, this negates your 'inferior news readers' remark, as all
Mozilla products are liable to such trickery.
You may note I also give a valid email address in every post I make,
here and on usenet. I also run with no blocking of remote images, and I
visit each and every spam site sent my way. I accept HTML in mail, and
javascript, and java So, in effect, I have done almost everything to
confirm my address (es) to spammers - yet my spam has gone down, not up
(and reduced dramatically by over 90% as well)
Simply put, someone using HTML in newsgroups is not a security threat or
risk.
Moz Champion (Dan)
Hey! We are talking NEWSGROUPS here, not mail anyway!
So tell me, how does a message in a newsgroup get your email address to
confirm it in the first place!
If you open a message that has an HTML link in a newsgroup, it doesnt
KNOW what your email address is! It CANT be configured via the email
client, because its addressed to the NEWSGROUP alone, not you. And when
your newsreader uses the link it doesnt give out your email address!
So all your talk about HTML being a 'security threat to all' in
newsgroups is PURE HOGWASH!
So, please explain how using HTML in a newsgroup is a 'security threat'!!!
A spammer could post a message in HTML, with a link that it
automatically recorded each times its hit. And ALL he would know is
someone from the newsgroup hit the link - he wouldnt know which user at
all. And if he posted the same message in multiple groups (which is
normal), then he wouldnt even know which newsgroup the request came from!
Please show me ONE message in a newsgroup that can reveal MY address to
anyone, if I click on a link. It cant be done. If I click on it, or you
click on it, how does it know which of us it was? What if 'Harry' or
'Joe' or 'Suszie' clicks on it - it cant tell which of 'em it was!
Chris Ilias
> So, please explain how using HTML in a newsgroup is a 'security threat'!!!
This has the makings of an unending thread, that has nothing to do with
Firefox. Please, either take it to email, or move it to mozilla.general.
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