Kaylon Powermarks End of Life
Margaret
Unfortunately, Kaylon has announced the end of life for Powermarks. I
realize I can continue to use it, but having been a computer pro, I'm
loath to continue using a defunct product for too long. I've been
searching for a similar product for managing large numbers of bookmarks,
but I haven't found anything that I really like. Since my Powermarks db
includes ~3700 entries, using Firefox's bookmark feature really doesn't
cut it. (I'm not picking on Firefox, which I love. Any browser would
have the same limitations IMNSHO.)
Any recommendations on bookmark mgt tools?
Thx and Regards,
Margaret
Ron Hunter
Do you REALLY use 3700 bookmarks? I would bet that if you checked with
AM Deadlink, you would find many of those bookmarks are either no longer
active, or haven't been used in years. Make a serious effort to prune
the tree and maybe you will find that you can retire many of them to
another file. I should think that finding the bookmark you want in all
that collection would be slower than just Googling for the site in the
first place.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Margaret
> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:06:05 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> Margaret wrote:
>>> [...] I've been searching for
>>> found anything that I really like. Since my Powermarks db includes
>>> ~3700 entries, using Firefox's bookmark feature really doesn't cut it.
>>> (I'm not picking on Firefox, which I love. Any browser would have the
>>> same limitations IMNSHO.)
>>>
>>> Any recommendations on bookmark mgt tools?
>> AM Deadlink, you would find many of those bookmarks are either no longer
>> active, or haven't been used in years. Make a serious effort to prune
>> the tree and maybe you will find that you can retire many of them to
>> another file. I should think that finding the bookmark you want in all
>> that collection would be slower than just Googling for the site in the
>> first place.
>
> stored in the bookmarks.html file, do not want online storage or
> synchronisation, I'm sure there's dead links but they're useful too,
> do not want to use and rely on G, and have managed reasonably well
> over the years with Firefox plus quite a few bookmark extensions.
> Besides folders and individual bookmarks on the bookmarks toolbar, I
> generally have a fair idea where everything is and mainly use search
> in the bookmarks sidebar or open (sub)folders to browse them.
Rom, in addition to Powermarks, I do use Firefox's bookmarks, folders,
bookmarks toolbar. I also use the "Flat Bookmark Editing" extension,
which I like. I've pared down my extensions, as I noticed some slowdown
and incompatibilities. But are there particular bookmark extensions
that you'd recommend?
Thx and Regards,
Margaret
Margaret
squaredancer wrote:
> well, Margaret....
>
> I can only say to that:
> "having been a computer pro, I'm loath to continue using a defunct
> product for too long"
>
> what do you mean by "too long" ?? 1 year, 5 years, 10 DAYS???
> As an ex-pro you should know by now that, just because a software
> product gets "updated" *DOES NOT mean that the "new" product is better
> that what you had. Often, indeed do socalled "updates" kill what was -
> untill then - a very good program!
>
> Only - and only then - when the previously good version no longer runs
> on the OS you are currently using, need you worry about finding a
> successor application!
> Ask yourself - just what is there missing in Powermarks that you *so*
> *desperately* *need* an update for?
I'm just starting to poke around to find a solution for sometime down
the road. I'm not trying to dump Powermarks immediately. Further,
although PM works fine in XP, it has some problems with Vista that make
it very frustrating to use at times, and I've been hoping for a fix from
Kaylon for sometime now. Clearly that fix won't be forthcoming, hence
my interest in finding an alternative.
>> I've been searching for a similar product for managing large numbers
>> of bookmarks, but I haven't found anything that I really like.
>
> I suppose really, it depends on exactly *WHAT* you do/mean with
> "management"?? Most of the regulars here will have several hundred BMs
> ("comes with the job" as a regular supporter) and have no great
> difficulty in "organizing" them (as opposed to managing??) and most have
> their own "special" way... some swear by the BM-Toolbar, the others are
> fanatical Sidebar users (to whom I belong) and each swears that *his*
> way is best.... (shes and hers included there).
>
> Folders, sub-folders, free range, alphabetical, up, down, keywords,
> descriptions, short-cuts.... it's all there!
Powermarks is a database with keyword search, macros and auto-checking
(and updating where possible) of dead links. Its db search is
instantaneous and invaluable for finding both specific bookmarks and
similar ones, for those times when I'm looking up general categories of
bookmarks rather than specific ones. I do use Firefox's bookmark
features in addition, but the two tools together make bookmark
management, organization & retrieval easy and efficient.
Now perhaps Firefox has some bookmark mgt/organization/search &
retrieval features of which I'm unaware. I'll investigate this further.
But I posted here hoping to get some suggestions, knowing full well
that Mozilla supporters might be able to offer some help (especially
since as you say, you manage large numbers of bookmarks). If the
solution is built into Firefox, I'll be thrilled. (I'd also appreciate
pointers, if you have any.)
However, I'm saddened that after asking a simple question, I got pounced
on by you (and to a lesser extent Ron Hunter). I thought this group was
more about helping users than flexing muscles. I find your little
lecture on what it means to be a "computer pro" disappointing (to say
the least), when you simply could have let it go and addressed my
question (or ignored my post entirely). I have no desire to start a
flame war, but I *will* say that with 20 years of experience, I do
understand the nature of software and its "fixes," etc. I'm no longer a
computer pro because I experienced a disability -- not because I wasn't
a good one.
That said, I hope I've done a better job of explaining what I meant by
bookmark mgt. If you can provide any pointers on how I can make better
use of Firefox for bookmark mgt (as I've explained above), or if you
know of any tools I can use in addition, I'd appreciate hearing about
them. I've been doing a lot of searching myself and have come up empty
so far.
Thx and Regards,
Margaret
Margaret
Powermarks is a database with keyword search, macros and auto-checking
(and updating where possible) of dead links. Its db search is
instantaneous and invaluable for finding both specific bookmarks and
similar ones, for those times when I'm looking up general categories of
bookmarks rather than specific ones. I do use Firefox's bookmark
features in addition, but the two tools together make bookmark
management, organization & retrieval easy and efficient. I also make
heavy use of Google, but as a substitute for Powermarks (or any type of
bookmarking tool), it's simply not enough.
Margaret
David McRitchie
> I've been using Powermarks for years, and I just love it. Unfortunately, Kaylon has announced the end of life for Powermarks.
> bookmark mgt tools?
I trust that you can export a bookmarks.html file out of
Powermarks, which can be imported into Firefox. What version
of Firefox are you on. There are a couple of Bookmarks
extensions that I would recommend, but like the "improvements"
in Firefox 3 Bookmarks they don't work. I would expect that\
the extensions will be updated once Firefox gets 3.0 working
better. In other words bookmark extensions really don't
work in FF3 even with compatibility testing off, and some
extensions that say they work in FF3 break addition of bookmarks
with Ctrl+D, so there is a ways to go yet.
The Extensions are "Open Book", "Locate in Bookmarks",
"Bookmark Sorting", "Enhanced Bookmark Search" (EBS),
"Keyword Bar". and none of those extensions requires a
toolbar.
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/bookmarks.htm
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/places.htm
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm
and for keywords (I believe the %s and %S covers it's string macros)
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/kws.htm
I had "Flat Bookmark Editing" but didn't like it, it is essentially
builtin to Firefox 3 and a waste of screen space unless
you need to make a lot of changes to existing bookmarks.
Open Book is much better you enter things correctly the first time.
Firefox 2 has keywords (same as Opera nicknames), but does
not have Tags. Firefox 3 has Tags but they don't work yet,
and it is hard to work with bookmarks at all in the current
beta (3.0B2), though anything you already had from Firefox 2
works okay. Most of my notes are in my places.htm,
bookmarks.htm, and firefox.htm#fx3
If you are not trying the Beta you might import your
bookmarks from Powermarks created bookmarks.html file.
What are the macros that you have in Powermarks? Do
keyword bookmarks suffice. I suspect you mean bookmarklets
which are written in JavaScript and are pretty much universal
except that they are not necessarily interchangeable between
browsers. Though I have extensions now for some of the
properities and CSS stuff that didn't work in Firefox.
https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/ie/bookmarklets.htm
Powermarks can also create a new bookmark given only a URL - the name, keywords and description fields are automatically retrieved
from the actual web page.
-- I expect that "Open Book" extension will do that automatically when it
is updated it does all but the tags now, and Firefox 3 is adding tags.
You need another extension()s) to create a copy of bookmarks online
to share across browsers and machines -- is that important. I'm leery
of most of the bookmark sync programs that keep a copy of your
bookmarks on their servers. I'd pick one that you have control of
where the backup goes. Would have to have a better idea of exactly
how you use to suggest an extension for bookmarks sync part.
other than that the extensions above cover the things I see at
http://www.kaylon.com/power.html
If identify duplicate bookmarks is important to you, there is
"Bookmark Duplicate Detector", (but it Firefox 3 is working
correctly you should already know if a bookmark for a page
already exits or not.)
addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1553
as a possible substitute for some of
Detects Duplicate Bookmarks when bookmarks are added and specify where is the previous URL. You can also search and delete
duplicates URL already in your .
When you do go to Firefox 3, depending on your options
bookmarks.html or bookmarks.postplaces.html will reflect
the bookmarks contained in places.sqlite
--
HTH,
David McRitchie,
Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm
Maikel
wrote:
It also uses keywords/tags instead of hierarchical folders, and it
also has a very fast search function.
Today I have over 5000 bookmarks in it, and it works fine, and fast.
AFAIR there even is an import function for Powermarks data in the
latest version.
Michael
Mark Stone
Powermarks. The download url is http://www.desksware.com/bookmark-manager.htm.
It supports thousands of bookmarks easily.
Mark
On Feb 4, 5:10 pm, Maikel <maikel.hoffm...@arcor.de> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 9:19 pm, Margaret <twokat...@nospam.gmail.com.invalid>
> wrote:> I've been usingPowermarksfor years, and I just love it.
> > Unfortunately, Kaylon has announced the end of life forPowermarks. I
> > realize I can continue to use it, but having been a computer pro, I'm
> > loath to continue using a defunct product for too long. I've been
> > searching for a similar product for managing large numbers of bookmarks,
> > but I haven't found anything that I really like. Since myPowermarksdb
> > includes ~3700 entries, using Firefox's bookmark feature really doesn't
> > cut it. (I'm not picking on Firefox, which I love. Any browser would
> > have the same limitations IMNSHO.)
>
> > Any recommendations on bookmark mgt tools?
>
> Did you try miTaggedMarks (www.mitaggedmarks.com)?
> It also uses keywords/tags instead of hierarchical folders, and it
> also has a very fast search function.
> Today I have over 5000 bookmarks in it, and it works fine, and fast.
> AFAIR there even is an import function forPowermarksdata in the
> latest version.
>
> Michael
Margaret
> Did you try miTaggedMarks (www.mitaggedmarks.com)?
> It also uses keywords/tags instead of hierarchical folders, and it
> also has a very fast search function.
> Today I have over 5000 bookmarks in it, and it works fine, and fast.
> AFAIR there even is an import function for Powermarks data in the
> latest version.
No, I've been googling and googling for bookmark management tools,
powermark alternatives, and I guess I haven't been googling for the
right things, because miTaggedMarks never came up. Thank you so much
for the pointer. I do see that there's a Powermarks import, and even a
portable version, too.
So thx very much for your suggestion, Maikel, I will indeed check this
product out!!
Regards,
Margaret
Margaret
> Maybe you can try Power Favorites. It has most of features of
> Powermarks. The download url is http://www.desksware.com/bookmark-manager.htm.
> It supports thousands of bookmarks easily.
Mark, as I said the Maikel, I've googled and googled and never came up
with much of anything. Thank you for the pointer to Power Favorites. I
will definitely check this out further, as it looks like a very viable
candidate! :-)
Thx and Regards,
Margaret
Margaret
>
> Here's a list of bookmark add-ons, why I use them and what for:
>
> Bookmark Duplicate Detector:
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1553/>
>
> The first time I used this, after backing up of bookmarks.html, I let
> it detect all duplicates, deleted the duplicate bookmarks I chose, and
> haven't used (or needed to use) that particular feature since. What I
> like about and continue to use BookmarkDD for is: 1) it adds drop-down
> menu lists in the search bar in Bookmark Manager and the Sidebar to
> search in Name, Location, Description or Keyword, and 2) if attempting
> to add an already existing bookmark (by URL), you're prompted with
> their folder locations(s) so can continue or cancel. BookmarkDD has
> options.
>
> Flat Bookmark Editing:
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/117>
> The only way to edit bookmarks.
> Opening the Properties for a bookmark connects to the site.
>
> Locate in Bookmarks Folders:
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/622/>
> This adds a toolbar button in Bookmark Manager and Locate on the
> context menu in Bookmarks Manager and Sidebar. It's useful when
> searching either Bookmarks Manager and Sidebar, then want to locate
> the folder of a bookmark or open the folder with the bookmark
> selected.
>
> OpenBook:
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/42/>
> It's one of those things that's always been missing or things they
> left out. OpenBook has options, and optionally adds to the Add
> Bookmark dialog window which is resizable. For example, can add text
> boxes for Keyword, URL and description, as well as a few auto actions.
> Do it 'right' to start with.
>
> Toolbar Extras (no longer on addons.mozilla.org):
> <http://webdesigns.ms11.net/chromeditp.html>
> Some toolbar buttons are another of those things that's always been
> missing or things they left out. This has the *essential* Add Bookmark
> button, and also an Organise/Manage Bookmarks button.
Rom, thanks so much for taking the time to write all this out for me.
It will be tremendously helpful in figuring out whether I want to revert
solely to firefox and addons for bookmark mgt or find another tool. I
really appreciate your time and trouble. Thank you so very much!!
Regards,
Margaret
Margaret
> I trust that you can export a bookmarks.html file out of
> Powermarks, which can be imported into Firefox. What version
> of Firefox are you on.
Yes, I can export a plain bookmarks.html from Powermarks and import that
into Firefox. I'm using FF 2.0.0.11 (sorry for neglecting to provide
that info earlier!!)
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> What are the macros that you have in Powermarks? Do
> keyword bookmarks suffice. I suspect you mean bookmarklets
> which are written in JavaScript and are pretty much universal
> except that they are not necessarily interchangeable between
> browsers. Though I have extensions now for some of the
> properities and CSS stuff that didn't work in Firefox.
> https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/
> http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/ie/bookmarklets.htm
Powermarks has "URL," keyword and string macros, but I've only ever had
a need (or used) the keyword macros. I do have one bookmarklet (one
that creates a TinyURL link), and that lives on my FF bookmarks toolbar.
I never investigated whether Pmarks could handle bookmarklets (and
frankly doubt it, since it hasn't been very well maintained over the
last several years.)
> Powermarks can also create a new bookmark given only a URL - the name,
> keywords and description fields are automatically retrieved from the
> actual web page.
> -- I expect that "Open Book" extension will do that automatically when it
> is updated it does all but the tags now, and Firefox 3 is adding tags.
I do edit the keywords that are autogenerated in Pmarks, sometimes
adding or changing a few, and other times deleting the whole lot and
entering just what I feel is most appropriate.
> You need another extension()s) to create a copy of bookmarks online
> to share across browsers and machines -- is that important. I'm leery
> of most of the bookmark sync programs that keep a copy of your
> bookmarks on their servers. I'd pick one that you have control of
> where the backup goes. Would have to have a better idea of exactly
> how you use to suggest an extension for bookmarks sync part.
Bookmark syncing is not really a concern for me. But here's a bit more
info for you. As I do use FF bookmarks for certain things, I'm
currently using Foxmarks Bookmark Synchronizer. Like you, I'm leery of
sync programs that keep a copy on their servers. But for the few bmarks
I have in FF currently, this is not a real issue. If I were to keep my
whole slew of bookmarks in FF, I would definitely be more concerned. I
never used Pmarks' sync feature, in that I have another sync/backup
program that I use to sync my pmarks, pwd vault file, as well as my
entire FF and TB profiles. (All of this lives locally on my home
network, and I keep multiple backups.) Having worked most recently in
security and disaster recovery, I'm fanatical about backups, etc. :-)
I *would* be interested in hearing your input on bookmark synchronizers,
however. ...Esp since I don't know what my final solution(s) will be
for managing bookmarks, and it never hurts to have an extra backup, eh? ;-)
> When you do go to Firefox 3, depending on your options
> bookmarks.html or bookmarks.postplaces.html will reflect
> the bookmarks contained in places.sqlite
Yes, I read briefly about places.sqlite, though I didn't spend enough
time on it to really take in what this will mean. I should go back and
do the work to better understand the (bookmarking) implications of
moving from FF2 to FF3 while I'm researching and before I make a final
decision about how I'm going to handle bookmark mgt in the future.
Thanks so very much for the time and trouble you took to lay all this
out for me. It will be tremendously helpful!
Regards,
Margaret
dondraper
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
I too have used Powermarks for quite a while. Once you get used to its
ability to locate bookmarks you saved eons ago and do it quickly,
other methods just do not live up. Oh well. I will use it till the OS
says no. :)
Don
Margaret
>
> I too have used Powermarks for quite a while. Once you get used to its
> ability to locate bookmarks you saved eons ago and do it quickly,
> other methods just do not live up. Oh well. I will use it till the OS
> says no. :)
Well it's not so much the OS as the combination of Powermarks FF
extension *and* OS. In the earlier versions of FF 2.x on Vista, Pmarks
worked fairly well. It might have been around FF 2.0.0.8 (or 9) that it
broke. (I can't remember the exact version, sorry.) The Pmarks
extension works just fine on XP SP2 and Firefox 2.0.0.11. Dunno what
will happen when we go to FF 3.x.... Probably not good as far as
Powermarks goes.
Sniff, I simply love Powermarks. :-)
Regards,
Margaret