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FTR

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May 18, 2007, 1:37:10 PM5/18/07
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I found a text through google that renders badly when seeing the page as
html text : all extended ascii characters get a question mark.
http://66.102.1.104/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=cache:xMEdGir_3eMJ:www.ipz.unizh.ch/studium/vvz/material/2238/arbeiten/gruppe%25203.4.pdf+related:bledBawPkasJ:scholar.google.com/
Can I make FF 2 render the extended ascii characters ?

- Frank

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David McRitchie

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May 18, 2007, 3:28:51 PM5/18/07
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"FTR" <news...@free.fr> wrote in message news:ldudndPJNo2medDb...@mozilla.org...

Hi Frank,
View, Character Encoding
Western (ISO 8859-1) or Western (ISO 8859-15)
instead of UTF-8

I see it was created from a PDF document. You would
have to reissue the above change each time you look at it.

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Tony Mechelynck

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May 18, 2007, 3:49:47 PM5/18/07
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I haven't looked at that page, but wrong-character displays generally fall in
two categories:


1. If characters get replaced by a "generic" glyph-missing character, such as
a black diamond with question mark, or a hollow rectangle, it means that you
aren't using the right font for this language. Go to Tools => Options =>
Content, and, in the "Fonts & Colors" section, click the "Advanced" button.
Find the language of that page and select serif, sans-serif and monospace
fonts more appropriate than those already there. You may have to use trial and
error.

If that isn't enough, you may have to install a "Language pack" (or something)
for that language, from the Windows Update site. Be sure to get the pack with
the fonts, not the one with the menu translations. I don't know whether a
reboot will be necessary, but if it is, the install process will tell you.
Then repeat the font-selecting procedure in the above paragraph.


2. If some characters are replaced by gibberish, like the é (e-acute)
character appearing as é or something, then it means the page isn't displayed
in the right encoding (in some cases, this may be due to an error at the
sending site, either in the format of the <head> section of the page, or in
the configuration of the web server). You can try other encodings via the
"View => Character Encoding" menu.

Best regards,
Tony.
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FTR

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May 18, 2007, 4:15:13 PM5/18/07
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David McRitchie wrote:
> "FTR" <news...@free.fr> wrote in message news:ldudndPJNo2medDb...@mozilla.org...
>> I found a text through google that renders badly when seeing the page as
>> html text : all extended ascii characters get a question mark.
>>
> http://66.102.1.104/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=cache:xMEdGir_3eMJ:www.ipz.unizh.ch/studium/vvz/material/2238/arbeiten/gruppe%25203.4.pdf+related:bledBawPkasJ:scholar.google.com/
>> Can I make FF 2 render the extended ascii characters ?
>>
>> - Frank
>
> Hi Frank,
> View, Character Encoding
> Western (ISO 8859-1) or Western (ISO 8859-15)
> instead of UTF-8
>
> I see it was created from a PDF document. You would
> have to reissue the above change each time you look at it.
>

I used the Western (ISO 8859-1) character set but in options > content
> fonts & colours > advanced > Fonts for was set to "Other languages".

Now I have
changed to Western (ISO 8859-15): no effect
changed to Western (ISO 8859-15) & fonts set to Western: no effect.

All the German umlaute (ä, ö, ü) are still rendered as "?".

??

Can I influence

Tony Mechelynck

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May 18, 2007, 4:21:58 PM5/18/07
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Did you try (in the main menubar) "View => Character Encoding => Western
(ISO-8859-1)"? Works for me on the URL you mentioned.


Best regards,
Tony.
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And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode.

FTR

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May 18, 2007, 4:46:18 PM5/18/07
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YESS it works. Thanks!
But why did the change in the options not produce the same effect ?
Frank


Tony Mechelynck

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May 18, 2007, 5:03:49 PM5/18/07
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1. "Fonts for" in the advanced font options doesn't set a default, it only
selects a submenu.

2. That page is b0rken: the server gives you Latin1 content, telling your
brwser that it's UTF-8. So every byte above 0x7F is seen as "invalid", because
in UTF-8 such bytes are only allowed as part of a multibyte sequence.


Best regards,
Tony.
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FTR

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May 18, 2007, 5:32:09 PM5/18/07
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»Q« wrote:
> In <news:Gs-dnSkOA5QSjdPb...@mozilla.org>,

> FTR <news...@free.fr> wrote:
>
>>>> I used the Western (ISO 8859-1) character set but in options >
>>>> content > fonts & colours > advanced > Fonts for was set to
>>>> "Other languages".
>>> Did you try (in the main menubar) "View => Character Encoding =>
>>> Western (ISO-8859-1)"? Works for me on the URL you mentioned.
>> YESS it works. Thanks!
>> But why did the change in the options not produce the same effect ?
>
> The options dialog allows you to specify default character encoding.
> It'll be used for all pages that fail to specify their encodings.
>
> Firefox has to let webservers/webpages override the default, which is
> why it had no effect on that Google page.
>
thank you both. you seem to know your product
Chapeau
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