Printing web pages as they appear on the screen

[Lindsay Graham]

I have Firefox 8.0 with Windows Vista.

Basically, my question is how can I print a web page as it appears on
the screen? Possible related questions are: Why does IE8 sometimes give
a better result than Firefox 8? In the Print dialog box, why are the
Print Frames options always greyed out? Are these print problems
anything to do with frames? Or (as seems to be suggested by looking
through the list archives) are the print problems created by web page
design?

For example, when I try to print from
http://www.whollygenes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=TMGNEW8, the
images all print on the LHS of the page before the text, instead of
being adjacent as on the web page. Using IE8 gives pretty much the same
unsatisfactory result.

Similarly, when I try to print from
http://www.wanderersskiclub.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=61,
the text and table are left justified rather than centred and there's a
page break before the text material. IE8 gives a much better result,
although the continuation text on page 2 is left justified rather than
centred as on page 1.

Grateful for any help/explanations.

Lindsay Graham
Canberra, Australia

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Lindsay Graham" <LDGr...@aapt.net.au>

Web pages are not created for nor formatted for printing to Letter or A4 paper sizes.
They are formatted for screen resolution.
Thus there will always be a problem in printing web pages no matter what Browser is used.


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[Lindsay Graham]

But *why* is there a problem and why should we accept that there will
always be a problem? Most web pages seem to print pretty well. Many
web pages get printed, and I don't understand why developers can't
design web pages that are suitable for *both* screen viewing and printing.

Lindsay Graham

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Lindsay Graham" <LDGr...@aapt.net.au>

Again...

Web pages are not created for nor formatted for printing to Letter or A4 paper sizes.
They are formatted for screen resolution.

That's why there is a problem.

You have to accept it because web page designs are not the same as a document created to
fit a specific paper size. Web pages are not designed to printed, they are designed to be
viewed.

[Ron K.]

Lindsay Graham on 12/28/2011 9:10 PM, keyboarded a reply:

Some Webmasters do design sites with dual sets of style-sheets. Normal web
screen layout is not very compatible with paper layout. To accommodate
paper, a print media style-sheet can provide a browser custom layout
information it can use when sending the content to the printers print driver.


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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Lindsay Graham wrote:

> But *why* is there a problem and why should we accept that there will
> always be a problem? Most web pages seem to print pretty well. Many
> web pages get printed, and I don't understand why developers can't
> design web pages that are suitable for *both* screen viewing and
> printing.

There will be problems with web sites designed by people-without-clue. As
long as so-called WYSIWYG generators exist, and the designers are not
taught to produce valid code (see W3C standards), expect to get the
results you've experienced.

A possible solution for when you encounter one of these sites might be to
save the page as viewed as a PDF file, then print that.

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[David H. Lipman]

From: "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.non...@example.invalid>

You'd run up against the same problem. The PDF Printer would be set as a
default of Letter or A4. However if "custom" size is available then you can
print to any X x Y sized document that best renders the page. It would
still have a physical printer problem but at least one would have a
relatively good PDF of an olffline view of web page.

[Ralph Fox]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:17:26 +1100, Lindsay Graham wrote:

> In the Print dialog box, why are the Print Frames options always greyed out?

When the web page does not have frames, then the Print Frames options
are greyed out. Frames have gone out of favour with web designers, and
most pages these days do not have frames.

If the web page does have frames, like this web page here
<http://www.angelfire.com/super/badwebs/>, then the Print Frames options
are not greyed out.


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[night...@gmail.com]

Extensions such as 'Aardvark', 'Nuke Anything Enhanced', 'PrintEdit', and 'PrintFriendly' make it easier to format a page for printing, but what I can't understand is why it's not possible to have a feature (or add-on) that replicates the process of taking a window snapshot and printing it, scaled to size.

[night...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:17:26 AM UTC+8, Lindsay Graham wrote:

[Ron Hunter]

Most web pages are not formatted to fit onto paper, so reducing the size
isn't always feasible.

[night...@gmail.com]

Never mind. I managed to find an extension called 'Capture & Print' which does exactly what I wanted, albeit being limited, naturally, to visible content only.

[James Moe]

On 12/28/2011 05:17 PM, Lindsay Graham wrote:
> I have Firefox 8.0 with Windows Vista.
>

A little behind the curve?

>
> For example, when I try to print from
> http://www.whollygenes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=TMGNEW8, the
> images all print on the LHS of the page before the text, instead of
> being adjacent as on the web page. Using IE8 gives pretty much the same
> unsatisfactory result.
>

It is inherent in the page design. Printing the page was not
considered when the page markup was created.
In fact it appears to be aggressively anti-print. Much of the layout
is dependent on Javascript, and the stylesheets are limited to
"screen,projection" explicitly excluding "print."
You can thank the web developer for your crappy printout.

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[Arne Hamre]

For what it's worth:
The page contains 60 errors (and 9 warnings), says http://validator.w3.org
And 6 CSS-errors, courtesy of http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator

Be thankful that it prints at all (after a fashion).

Arne

[glori...@gmail.com]

> Web pages are not created for nor formatted for printing to Letter or A4 paper sizes.
> They are formatted for screen resolution.

Sorry, but I cannot understand this.
Why can't the browser just render the webpage in the same way for printer and for the screen?
Different resolution is not a good excuse - screens do have different resolutions and browsers cope with that.

What problem does it maketo rescale from one resolution to another?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

glorifyday wrote:

> Over a year ago on Wed, 28 Dec 2011, David H. Lipman wrote:
>> Web pages are not created for nor formatted for printing to Letter or
>> A4 paper sizes.
>> They are formatted for screen resolution.
>
> Sorry, but I cannot understand this.
> Why can't the browser just render the webpage in the same way for
> printer and for the screen?
> Different resolution is not a good excuse - screens do have different
> resolutions and browsers cope with that.

What would you expect from a web site that has a print media CSS file that
hides non-useful paper content such as a clickable menu on the left
column?

My own web sites generally use a menu on the left side of the screen. I
have a @media print style sheet that hides the menu from printing. There
isn't any point to showing this menu on the paper.

> What problem does it maketo rescale from one resolution to another?

Smart web authors design flexible pages that will scale to any screen
resolution (actually, you meant browser window size - resolution is
unimportant) you may be using. However, most authors are not in this
category.

My pages will fit any width browser you throw at them, and will also fill
the width of whatever size and orientation of paper you print on.

[glori...@gmail.com]

I generally understand the concept that the web page might look different on screen and on the printer. For many reasons, mainly the printing costs.

What I do not understand is why the user has no option to grab a WYSIWYG printout of the web page if she or he wants it. Well, grabbing the printscreen to image file and printing the image is possible (and the Chrome browser contains nice plugins for this) but you lose resolution and contrast while printing, and if you print to PDF, the result is not searchable.

It's like thinking that the designer knows what the finaluser wants... better that the user :-/.

GS

[WaltS]

What does the user want? Do all want the same result?

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[glori...@gmail.com]

> What does the user want? Do all want the same result?

They probably don't but get it anyway, that's the point.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

glorifyday wrote:

> I generally understand the concept that the web page might look
> different on screen and on the printer. For many reasons, mainly the
> printing costs.

I don't see anything in your query that has to do with costs.

> What I do not understand is why the user has no option to grab a WYSIWYG
> printout of the web page if she or he wants it.

Have you ever tried "saving as web page" to a place on your computer? That
way you can look at it forever, exactly as the author intended.

> Well, grabbing the
> printscreen to image file and printing the image is possible (and the
> Chrome browser contains nice plugins for this) but you lose resolution
> and contrast while printing,

So increase the size of the image with your favorite image editor.

> and if you print to PDF, the result is not searchable.

..and if you print to paper, as in your query/subject line, the result is
not searchable either. So that's not an excuse.

> It's like thinking that the designer knows what the finaluser wants...
> better that the user :-/.

The designer/author/owner of the web site has the say as to what you see.

Perhaps if you were to finally give us a sample of a page you want to
*print* and give exact details of where and why you think it fails.

[Barbara]

Thanks for the extension suggestions :)
One thing I noticed about PrintFriendly is that the resulting printed
page in PDF has very clear text and easy to read, where the PrintEdit
add-on (and directly printing many pages in Firefox) has sort of "fuzzy"
text, which is very annoying and makes the result sometimes hard to
impossible to read.

Barbara

[Ed Mullen]

WaltS wrote:
> What does the user want? Do all want the same result?
>

Stop stipping out all useful previous info ... I have no idea what the
hell you're talking about!

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[WaltS]

On 02/06/2013 09:19 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> WaltS wrote:
>> What does the user want? Do all want the same result?
>>
>
> Stop stipping out all useful previous info ... I have no idea what the
> hell you're talking about!
>

I know! I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with quoting
using Google Groups since all the posts come from there.

Admittedly mine was intentional to display the annoyance.

Apologies :)

[Ed Mullen]

WaltS wrote:
> On 02/06/2013 09:19 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>> WaltS wrote:
>>> What does the user want? Do all want the same result?
>>>
>>
>> Stop stipping out all useful previous info ... I have no idea what the
>> hell you're talking about!
>>
>
> I know! I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with quoting
> using Google Groups since all the posts come from there.
>
> Admittedly mine was intentional to display the annoyance.
>
> Apologies :)
>

No problem. I've seen it so often recently it finally set me off! ;-)

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[glori...@gmail.com]

Sorry, but I deny to conversate like this. In a let-me-tell-you-why-you-are-so-completely-wrong manner.

I didn't realise, that usenet got so spoilt, I remember the days when one could really get advice here.

Bye.

[Ed Mullen]

And I have no idea what the hell you're talking about because you edited
out everything that led up to this.

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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

glorifyday wrote:

> Sorry, but I deny to conversate like this. In a
> let-me-tell-you-why-you-are-so-completely-wrong manner.

Perhaps if you would answer questions, or report progress to advice given,
we could conversate with you in a more efficient manner.

> I didn't realise, that usenet got so spoilt, I remember the days when
> one could really get advice here.

Unfortunately, this isn't Usenet. This is a private news server for people
asking for, and giving, help for Mozilla products.

> Bye.

Good luck with your endeavors.

[Robert Miles]

On 2/6/2013 8:23 PM, WaltS wrote:
> On 02/06/2013 09:19 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>> WaltS wrote:
>>> What does the user want? Do all want the same result?
>>>
>>
>> Stop stipping out all useful previous info ... I have no idea what the
>> hell you're talking about!
>>
>
> I know! I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with quoting
> using Google Groups since all the posts come from there.
>
> Admittedly mine was intentional to display the annoyance.
>
> Apologies :)

There is - they use only the quoted-printable type of line endings,
which their software can handle, but most newsreaders cannot handle
properly.

[mikaelce...@gmail.com]

I have ran into the same problem, and there aren't any excuses for it. I print stuff that isn't fitted to an A4 format all the time from many different formats since I am a designer and I can also take a screen capture of the page and then print it without any problems. This is called scaling and it's very basic. It's plain and simple an error in not prioritizing this by the developers.

So, therefore, its a feature that should exist, will eventually exist and hopefully will soon, but doesn't exist at present time.

[Ant]

Um, you re(pli/spond)ed) to a very old newsgroup post from 12/29/2011. I
assume the issue still exists today? :(


On 1/13/2014 2:49 AM PT, mikaelce...@gmail.com typed:

> I have ran into the same problem, and there aren't any excuses for it. I print stuff that isn't fitted to an A4 format all the time from many different formats since I am a designer and I can also take a screen capture of the page and then print it without any problems. This is called scaling and it's very basic. It's plain and simple an error in not prioritizing this by the developers.
>
> So, therefore, its a feature that should exist, will eventually exist and hopefully will soon, but doesn't exist at present time.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:17:26 AM UTC+1, Lindsay Graham wrote:

>> I have Firefox 8.0 with Windows Vista...
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[advance...@gmail.com]

There is definitely an attitude problem on this thread.

Several users on above have reported the same issue in a perfectly clear and friendly manner, ie. that Firefox etc are able to render web pages intelligibly on screen, but then fail miserably to produce a sensible print out.

A second cluster of users then rush in with gobbledegook statements that are presented as logical reasons for why printing on paper is different to printing on screen.

The first group then protest with 100% obvious and common sense arguments that printing must be a problem of very much the same order of difficulty as screen rendering. (We really don't need any further arguments from me on why the first group are correct...). But the second group have then utterly failed to read the various Statements-Of-Problem from the first, digest them, think, step out of their boxes and then to

a) either fall silent (because they don't know) or
b) make a helpful suggestions to the first group.

Astonishing. But redeemable.

My conclusions:

1) Definite attitude problem on this thread. Clean it up admin.

2) 100% reliable but awkward and pixelated work-around is "Render your page in favourite browser, Press PrintScreen, Paste into MS Paint, CropImage to relevant bits, Printer SetUp to 1 page of A4, Print -> printer or CutePdf for a file"

3) This problem must be stupidly simple to solve when coding a browser. However, it's not been done over decades which is odd. I have no proof of this but it cannot be an accident that IE, Firefox, Torch all suffer from the same inability to print WYSIWYG when it must be so very much wanted by users. Readers of this thread shouldn't fall for this technical drivel "Oh php and css can't talk to the Java engine in a multi-framed, adjustable-handles window, so then Ghostscript has to throw three null-pointers at the proprietary Postscript renderer.. and of course the US/UK paper sized margin differentials interrupt the data flow until a substitute page build is forced". Nope. There is some reason why all the browsers indulge in this same no-printing nonsense - I have no answer for what it might be though. One day it'll come out in the wash.

George

[Big Al]

How many thesauruses did you have to go through to get #3 to work? LOL

[Ed Mullen]

mikaelce...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have ran into the same problem, and there aren't any excuses for it. I print stuff that isn't fitted to an A4 format all the time from many different formats since I am a designer and I can also take a screen capture of the page and then print it without any problems. This is called scaling and it's very basic. It's plain and simple an error in not prioritizing this by the developers.

And why are people still adding onto a message that originated in 2011???

Hey! Give it a rest!

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[WaltS]

On 01/13/2014 07:54 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> mikaelce...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I have ran into the same problem, and there aren't any excuses for it.
>> I print stuff that isn't fitted to an A4 format all the time from many
>> different formats since I am a designer and I can also take a screen
>> capture of the page and then print it without any problems. This is
>> called scaling and it's very basic. It's plain and simple an error in
>> not prioritizing this by the developers.
>
> And why are people still adding onto a message that originated in 2011???
>
> Hey! Give it a rest!
>
>

Because Chris allows these Google trolls to post, but corrects us and
removes our posts for violating the forum etiquette.

[goodwin]

+1
better look quick...

[Mark Lloyd]

On 01/13/2014 01:00 PM, advance...@gmail.com wrote:

[snip]

> 2) 100% reliable but awkward and pixelated work-around is "Render your page in favourite browser, Press
> PrintScreen, Paste into MS Paint, CropImage to relevant bits, Printer SetUp to 1 page of A4, Print -> printer or
> CutePdf for a file"

This doesn't print the whole web page, just the part that's currently
visible on the screen.

[snip]


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[Michael]

Try FastStone Capture; it allows you to catch a window even it extends
off screen.
http://www.faststone.org/download.htm

[WaltS]

On 01/13/2014 02:00 PM, advance...@gmail.com wrote:

Definite lack of progress on bugs.

[471015 � Fieldsets are truncated to one page when printed /
print-previewed](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471015)

[521204 � [META] Wrong page splitting / Missing page content when
printing](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=521204)

[Firefox v26 printing problem � mozillaZine
Forums](http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2793509&p=13315157#p13315157)

[Ant]

On 1/20/2014 7:59 AM PT, WaltS typed:

> Definite lack of progress on bugs.
>
> [471015 � Fieldsets are truncated to one page when printed /
> print-previewed](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471015)
>
> [521204 � [META] Wrong page splitting / Missing page content when
> printing](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=521204)
>
> [Firefox v26 printing problem � mozillaZine
> Forums](http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2793509&p=13315157#p13315157)

[sighs] I guess printing is low priority to Mozilla. :(
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[roofs...@gmail.com]

I agree with OP. This type of respones is not an acceptable answer. Regardless of the website's design, one should be able to print a page in whatever form as it is seen on the browser.

[j...@niu-college.com]

how to print an screen of a web page?

[Ed Mullen]

j...@niu-college.com wrote on 9/23/2015 9:25 PM:
> how to print an screen of a web page?
>

OS?

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[Burry]

On 24.09.15 3:25, j...@niu-college.com wrote:
> how to print an screen of a web page?
>

Hit the "printscreenbutton" (to the right of F12),
then open PAINT and click "EDIT/PASTE" to get the
grabbed screen into PAINT.
Then edit and save.
Then print.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<mailman.1913.144306286...@lists.mozilla.org>, Burry

Or any other image-handling prog. that can accept pasting from the
clipboard, of course; I use IrfanView.

Also, if you use Alt-PrtScr (i. e. hold Alt down when you tap PrtScr),
you get just the current window, not the whole screen.

Still includes the frame, buttons, etc., though; not sure what the OP
wants (who maybe knows about PrtScr). Possibly how to override any
coding the page writer has put in that makes the print version very
different from the on-screen version?
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[WaltS48]

On 09/24/2015 02:24 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message
> <mailman.1913.144306286...@lists.mozilla.org>, Burry
> <burrynu...@ppllaanneett.nnll> writes:
>> On 24.09.15 3:25, j...@niu-college.com wrote:
>>> how to print an screen of a web page?
>>>
>> Hit the "printscreenbutton" (to the right of F12),
>> then open PAINT and click "EDIT/PASTE" to get the
>> grabbed screen into PAINT.
>> Then edit and save.
>> Then print.
>
> Or any other image-handling prog. that can accept pasting from the
> clipboard, of course; I use IrfanView.
>
> Also, if you use Alt-PrtScr (i. e. hold Alt down when you tap PrtScr),
> you get just the current window, not the whole screen.
>
> Still includes the frame, buttons, etc., though; not sure what the OP
> wants (who maybe knows about PrtScr). Possibly how to override any
> coding the page writer has put in that makes the print version very
> different from the on-screen version?

The original poster of this thread started in 2011, wanted to print web
pages as they appear on the screen using the Print button in Firefox 8.0
on Windows Vista.

The most recent question was "How to print an screen of a web page?", so
hitting the Print Screen button is the #1 answer according to those
surveyed.

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[Mark Lloyd]

On 09/24/2015 01:24 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

> Possibly how to override any
> coding the page writer has put in that makes the print version very
> different from the on-screen version?

HTML allows your browser to adjust the page to fit any window (or
printer page) size. However, many pages are (inappropriately) written to
require a minimum width which is greater than the width a printer can
handle. The printer then truncates the page with no indication on the
PC, then you go to the printer and have a "OH ****!" experience when you
get only part of the text.

There are other situations where the page won't print right. Some of
these fancy pages look just right on the screen, yet print garbage. My
bank has one of those sites.

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[Mark Lloyd]

On 09/24/2015 06:18 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

[snip]

> The original poster of this thread started in 2011, wanted to print web
> pages as they appear on the screen using the Print button in Firefox 8.0
> on Windows Vista.
>
> The most recent question was "How to print an screen of a web page?", so
> hitting the Print Screen button is the #1 answer according to those
> surveyed.
>

I often have this problem, wanting to print a WEB PAGE. "Print Screen"
is limited to the visible window, which is usually only a part of the
web page. "Print Screen", while useful at times is NOT a solution for that.

[Dave Pyles]

On 9/24/2015 12:38 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 09/24/2015 06:18 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> The original poster of this thread started in 2011, wanted to print web
>> pages as they appear on the screen using the Print button in Firefox 8.0
>> on Windows Vista.
>>
>> The most recent question was "How to print an screen of a web page?", so
>> hitting the Print Screen button is the #1 answer according to those
>> surveyed.
>>
>
> I often have this problem, wanting to print a WEB PAGE. "Print Screen"
> is limited to the visible window, which is usually only a part of the
> web page. "Print Screen", while useful at times is NOT a solution for that.
>

Try the Awesome Screenshot extension, which will let you capture a
screenshot of the whole page, not just the visible part.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/awesome-screenshot-capture-/
Dave Pyles

[Ed Mullen]

Mark Lloyd wrote on 9/24/2015 12:38 PM:
> On 09/24/2015 06:18 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> The original poster of this thread started in 2011, wanted to print web
>> pages as they appear on the screen using the Print button in Firefox 8.0
>> on Windows Vista.
>>
>> The most recent question was "How to print an screen of a web page?", so
>> hitting the Print Screen button is the #1 answer according to those
>> surveyed.
>>
>
> I often have this problem, wanting to print a WEB PAGE. "Print Screen"
> is limited to the visible window, which is usually only a part of the
> web page. "Print Screen", while useful at times is NOT a solution for that.
>

Windows 10 Pro. Pushed Print Screen button. Pasted clipboard into
Irfanview. Everything on both my screens was captured, not just the
visible window.

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[Mark Lloyd]

On 09/24/2015 01:32 PM, Dave Pyles wrote:
> On 9/24/2015 12:38 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

>> I often have this problem, wanting to print a WEB PAGE. "Print Screen"
>> is limited to the visible window, which is usually only a part of the
>> web page. "Print Screen", while useful at times is NOT a solution for
>> that.
>>
>
> Try the Awesome Screenshot extension, which will let you capture a
> screenshot of the whole page, not just the visible part.
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/awesome-screenshot-capture-/
> Dave Pyles

Thanks. This seems to be working. I tries it on one of those pages that
looks fine on the screen, but a mess when printed. The result seems OK.

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[Mark Lloyd]

On 09/25/2015 10:09 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

[snip]

>> I often have this problem, wanting to print a WEB PAGE. "Print Screen"
>> is limited to the visible window, which is usually only a part of the
>> web page. "Print Screen", while useful at times is NOT a solution for
>> that.
>>
>
> Windows 10 Pro. Pushed Print Screen button. Pasted clipboard into
> Irfanview. Everything on both my screens was captured, not just the
> visible window.
>

I have good reasons for not using Windows 10. However, I do have one
test installation so I tried it. Irfanview would not allow pasting.

It sounds like you have two monitors, and also something that is not
what I want. I want to save a WEB PAGE, not something on any screen or
screens at the time. The most common reason for needing this is pages
that insist on being TOO WIDE for the printer, and some of most is ignored.

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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Ed Mullen wrote:

> Mark Lloyd wrote on 9/24/2015 12:38 PM:
>> I often have this problem, wanting to print a WEB PAGE. "Print Screen"
>> is limited to the visible window, which is usually only a part of the
>> web page. "Print Screen", while useful at times is NOT a solution for
>> that.

"PrtScr" (Print-Screen) captures the entire desktop view.

> Windows 10 Pro. Pushed Print Screen button. Pasted clipboard into
> Irfanview. Everything on both my screens was captured, not just the
> visible window.

Of course. Try "Alt-PrtScr" (Alt+PrintScreen) and you will only get the
window that has the focus at that time.

But in neither case will you get the full contents of the web page that is
in the browser -- only the part you can see at that moment. That task
would require doing something like File > Print and printing to maybe
a .PDF file.

[Peter Holsberg]

Mark Lloyd wrote on 9/25/2015 12:42 PM:
>
> I have good reasons for not using Windows 10. However, I do have one
> test installation so I tried it. Irfanview would not allow pasting.

Worked for me, Win 8.1

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<mailman.2142.144319802...@lists.mozilla.org>, Ed

Mullen <ejEM...@edmullen.net> writes:
>Mark Lloyd wrote on 9/24/2015 12:38 PM:

[]

>> I often have this problem, wanting to print a WEB PAGE. "Print Screen"
>> is limited to the visible window, which is usually only a part of the
>> web page. "Print Screen", while useful at times is NOT a solution for that.
>>
>
>Windows 10 Pro. Pushed Print Screen button. Pasted clipboard into
>Irfanview. Everything on both my screens was captured, not just the
>visible window.
>

Interesting, but not what Mark was after (-: - you got two screen
images, which would have included all the Window furniture, and still
probably not all of the web page.

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[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<mailman.1946.144311243...@lists.mozilla.org>, Mark

Lloyd <n...@mail.invalid> writes:
>On 09/24/2015 01:24 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Possibly how to override any
>> coding the page writer has put in that makes the print version very
>> different from the on-screen version?
>
>HTML allows your browser to adjust the page to fit any window (or

Once upon a time it did, but sadly no longer.

>printer page) size. However, many pages are (inappropriately) written
>to require a minimum width which is greater than the width a printer

They do indeed. It's often greater than many people want their browser
window to be, too (especially if they don't always operate maximised,
which a lot of us don't).

>can handle. The printer then truncates the page with no indication on
>the PC, then you go to the printer and have a "OH ****!" experience
>when you get only part of the text.

(Though Print Preview will usually give a warning view.)

>
>There are other situations where the page won't print right. Some of
>these fancy pages look just right on the screen, yet print garbage. My
>bank has one of those sites.
>

Or, sometimes they detect the print attempt, and produce something very
different: for example, most Wikipedia pages
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printing for example). In this case, it's
usually something that's _optimised_ for printing, and thus preferable;
however, there may be situations where you want the screen version
printed.

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[Peter Holsberg]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote on 9/25/2015 12:33 PM:

> Ed Mullen wrote:
>
>> Mark Lloyd wrote on 9/24/2015 12:38 PM:
>>> I often have this problem, wanting to print a WEB PAGE. "Print Screen"
>>> is limited to the visible window, which is usually only a part of the
>>> web page. "Print Screen", while useful at times is NOT a solution for
>>> that.
>

> "PrtScr" (Print-Screen) captures the entire desktop view.
>

>> Windows 10 Pro. Pushed Print Screen button. Pasted clipboard into
>> Irfanview. Everything on both my screens was captured, not just the
>> visible window.
>

> Of course. Try "Alt-PrtScr" (Alt+PrintScreen) and you will only get the
> window that has the focus at that time.
>
> But in neither case will you get the full contents of the web page that is
> in the browser -- only the part you can see at that moment.

There are screen grabbers that will grab an entire scrolling window.

[Mark Lloyd]

On 09/25/2015 11:33 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

[snip]

> But in neither case will you get the full contents of the web page that is
> in the browser -- only the part you can see at that moment. That task
> would require doing something like File > Print and printing to maybe
> a .PDF file.
>

I tried that too. It seems that is would be a perfect solution, but it
IS printing and it messes up just the same as printing to a physical
printer. The page is truncated horizontally and some are messed up in
other ways. I suspect ANY alternative you "print" to will have the same
problems.

BTW, These problems seem to be caused by poor web page design and not
FF. We may always have to deal with poorly designed web pages, and will
need to print them.

FF could at least give a warning about horizontal truncation.

BTW, I've known about this problem since at least Internet Explorer 3.

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[Mark Lloyd]

On 09/25/2015 02:43 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

>> HTML allows your browser to adjust the page to fit any window (or
>
> Once upon a time it did, but sadly no longer.

It still does. The problem is bad web design that includes images that
are too big.

>> The printer then truncates the page with no indication on
>> the PC, then you go to the printer and have a "OH ****!" experience
>> when you get only part of the text.
>
> (Though Print Preview will usually give a warning view.)

But not a warning MESSAGE. Also, you shouldn't have to do a preview.

>> There are other situations where the page won't print right. Some of
>> these fancy pages look just right on the screen, yet print garbage. My
>> bank has one of those sites.
>>
> Or, sometimes they detect the print attempt, and produce something very
> different: for example, most Wikipedia pages
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printing for example). In this case, it's
> usually something that's _optimised_ for printing, and thus preferable;
> however, there may be situations where you want the screen version printed.


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