How can you tell the timezone of a webpage?

[Whi]

Various webpages on the internet often give a time and date
but you don't really know what time was put because frustratingly they don't give the timezone!

Is there a way you can tell the timezone of the time given on a webpage?

[»Q«]

No.

If it's a problem that comes up frequently for you (it never does
for me), you might want the Flagfox extension, which gives you an easy
way to see where the web server is located, which should sometimes
enable you to guess the timezone.

[cwdjrxyz]

Time is measured in UTC starting at a selected 0 point in the past.
Thus to give time and date info for various time zones, you must
specify the offset of the time zone of interest. If you specify the
time offset for the server, then the time will be for it. If you
specify the time offset for New York, then the time will be for it.
One way for doing this uses some php script on the server.

See http://php.net/manual/en/function.time.php and
http://www.gfxvoid.com/forums/showthread.php?28576-PHP-Time-Date-Display
. The php script can not be seen by the viewing computer, so you can
not use it to determine the offset used when viewing the page. However
if you do not use php to write webpages, you can see there are very
many ways to handle times and dates.

[Jay Garcia]

On 26.01.2013 21:41, cwdjrxyz wrote:

The only way to tell the timezone of a website is to know where the
hosting server is located.


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[Ron Hunter]

On 1/27/2013 5:20 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 26.01.2013 21:41, cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> On Jan 24, 10:57 am, Whi <adn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Various webpages on the internet often give a time and date
>>> but you don't really know what time was put because frustratingly they don't give the timezone!
>>>
>>> Is there a way you can tell the timezone of the time given on a webpage?
>>
>> Time is measured in UTC starting at a selected 0 point in the past.
>> Thus to give time and date info for various time zones, you must
>> specify the offset of the time zone of interest. If you specify the
>> time offset for the server, then the time will be for it. If you
>> specify the time offset for New York, then the time will be for it.
>> One way for doing this uses some php script on the server.
>>
>> See http://php.net/manual/en/function.time.php and
>> http://www.gfxvoid.com/forums/showthread.php?28576-PHP-Time-Date-Display
>> . The php script can not be seen by the viewing computer, so you can
>> not use it to determine the offset used when viewing the page. However
>> if you do not use php to write webpages, you can see there are very
>> many ways to handle times and dates.
>>
>
> The only way to tell the timezone of a website is to know where the
> hosting server is located.
>
>

This can be done either by reading the page source, and tracking the
source back to the website host, or, let FlagFox do the job for you and
conveniently display the location on a map.

[»Q«]

Even so, there's no guarantee the server's time setting matches the
timezone in which the server is located and no guarantee that the info
on the pages it serves match either one. If a server sends info with
ambiguous times, all you can do is make an informed guess.

[Tom J]

Would tracking back to the source help?? I use a newsreader out of Germany
BUT the server that I get my feed from is in downtown Atlanta, GA about 15
miles from my home north of Atlanta?? Would that be the same as any other
server??

There are many spam websites in the USA being run from off shore islands
also.

Tom J

[cwdjrxyz]

On Jan 27, 5:20 am, Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> On 26.01.2013 21:41, cwdjrxyz wrote:
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>  --- Original Message ---
>
> > On Jan 24, 10:57 am, Whi <adn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Various webpages on the internet often give a time and date
> >> but you don't really know what time was put because frustratingly they don't give the timezone!
>
> >> Is there a way you can tell the timezone of the time given on a webpage?
>
> > Time is measured in UTC starting at a selected 0 point in the past.
> > Thus to give time and date info for various time zones, you must
> > specify the offset of the time zone of interest. If you specify the
> > time offset for the server, then the time will be for it. If you
> > specify the time offset for New York, then the time will be for it.
> > One way for doing this uses some php script on the server.
>
> > Seehttp://php.net/manual/en/function.time.phpand
> >http://www.gfxvoid.com/forums/showthread.php?28576-PHP-Time-Date-Display
> > . The php script can not be seen by the viewing computer, so you can
> > not use it to determine the offset used when viewing the page. However
> > if you do not use php to write webpages, you can see there are very
> > many ways to handle times and dates.
>
> The only way to tell the timezone of a website is to know where the
> hosting server is located.

Correct. And it can be very difficult to find where the server is. If
you own a domain, usually at least one of various services will give
info about who owns the domain, where the server is located, etc.
However I pay for a service that controls this. When you try to look
up my info, you are directed to a security site in Canada instead. The
server I actually use is in the US. The host provides this security
service if you wish and pay a small fee. You can opt to send me a
message about my site, but you will be told no info about my site
unless you ask and I decide to answer. If someone becomes troublesome
with many questions, you can ban their sending messages. When you own
domains, your mail address, telephone number, and other personal info
is easily available to anyone unless you take such security measures.
You often get tons of spam from those who harvest such info.

The default offset for a server usually is for the timezone where the
server is located. However, using php, it is possible to use any
offset you wish.

I doubt if it is possible to completely hide server info, but you can
make it quite difficult to find.

[Whi]

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:56:29 PM UTC, cwdjrxyz wrote:
> On Jan 27, 5:20 am, Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>
> > On 26.01.2013 21:41, cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> >  --- Original Message ---
>
> >
>

> > > Seehttp://php.net/manual/en/function.time.phpand
>
> > >http://www.gfxvoid.com/forums/showthread.php?28576-PHP-Time-Date-Display

>
>
> However I pay for a service that controls this. When you try to look
>
> up my info, you are directed to a security site in Canada instead. The
>
> server I actually use is in the US. The host provides this security

Is your website php.net or gfxvoid?
or do you mean usenet
posting-host=70.128.125.47
?
Owasso, Oklahoma, United States
http://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/ip/70.128.125.47
I couldn't find it mentioning Canada anywhere.

Injection-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:56:30 +0000
so maybe you're on GMT?

[cwdjrxyz]

On Jan 28, 10:22 pm, Whi <adn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:56:29 PM UTC, cwdjrxyz wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 5:20 am, Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 26.01.2013 21:41, cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> > >  --- Original Message ---
>
> > > > Seehttp://php.net/manual/en/function.time.phpand
>
> > > >http://www.gfxvoid.com/forums/showthread.php?28576-PHP-Time-Date-Display
>
> > However I pay for a service that controls this. When you try to look
>
> > up my info, you are directed to a security site in Canada instead. The
>
> > server I actually use is in the US. The host provides this security
>
> Is your website php.net or gfxvoid?
> or do you mean usenet
> posting-host=70.128.125.47
> ?

I have two domains, one of which has a sub-domain. For http://www.cwdjr.net
, you will find a message that you can not get into the index if you
go there. If you go to http://www.cwdjr.info you also can not get into
the main index. You must know some specific page in either domain to
get in. In the sub-domain http://winefaq.cwdjr.net you can get into
the main index for it. It is the faqs for a Usenet group, and I put it
up for free. If you enter cwdjr.net at http://www.whois.com/whois/cwdjr.net,
instead of finding detailed personal information about the site, you
get a security service in Canada.
It takes about 13 GB to download everything on the server to my
computer for backup, and I use a 25 GB Blu-ray disc for backup.

[Jay Garcia]

Know a page? You mean such as:

http://www.cwdjr.net/souearly/songs2Root.php

[cwdjrxyz]

On Jan 29, 6:39 am, Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> On 29.01.2013 02:46, cwdjrxyz wrote:
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>  --- Original Message ---
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> > On Jan 28, 10:22 pm, Whi <adn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:56:29 PM UTC, cwdjrxyz wrote:
> >> > On Jan 27, 5:20 am, Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > On 26.01.2013 21:41, cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> >> > >  --- Original Message ---
>
> >> > > > Seehttp://php.net/manual/en/function.time.phpand
>
> >> > > >http://www.gfxvoid.com/forums/showthread.php?28576-PHP-Time-Date-Display
>
> >> > However I pay for a service that controls this. When you try to look
>
> >> > up my info, you are directed to a security site in Canada instead. The
>
> >> > server I actually use is in the US. The host provides this security
>
> >> Is your website php.net or gfxvoid?
> >> or do you mean usenet
> >> posting-host=70.128.125.47
> >> ?
>

> > I have two domains, one of which has a sub-domain. Forhttp://www.cwdjr.net

> > , you will find a message that you can not get into the index if you

> > go there. If you go tohttp://www.cwdjr.infoyou also can not get into

> > the main index. You must know some specific page in either domain to

> > get in. In the sub-domainhttp://winefaq.cwdjr.netyou can get into

> > the main index for it. It is the faqs for a Usenet group, and I put it

> > up for free. If you enter cwdjr.net athttp://www.whois.com/whois/cwdjr.net,

> > instead of finding detailed personal information about the site, you
> > get a security service in Canada.
> > It takes about 13 GB to download everything on the server to my
> > computer for backup, and I use a 25 GB Blu-ray disc for backup.
>
> Know a page? You mean such as:
>
> http://www.cwdjr.net/souearly/songs2Root.php
>

Yes. There are quite a few pages that I have posted somewhere and for
which the urls have been saved by someone and perhaps re-posted
somewhere else. You found the url of one of my fairly early pages. It
uses a lot of php and also a lot of JavaScript for the dhtml fireworks
effects that I wrote. Dhtml is seldom used today, and I likely would
now use flash instead. The music on the page comes from the very early
days of recording - pre-1900.

[Jay Garcia]

Actually quite easy, just Googled for cwdjr.net and a whole slew of
sites showed up. :-)

[cwdjrxyz]

On Jan 29, 9:37 pm, Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> On 29.01.2013 15:01, cwdjrxyz wrote:
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>  --- Original Message ---
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> > On Jan 29, 6:39 am, Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
> >> On 29.01.2013 02:46, cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> >>  --- Original Message ---
>
> >> > On Jan 28, 10:22 pm, Whi <adn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:56:29 PM UTC, cwdjrxyz wrote:
> >> >> > On Jan 27, 5:20 am, Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > On 26.01.2013 21:41, cwdjrxyz wrote:
>
> >> >> > >  --- Original Message ---
>
> >> >> > > > Seehttp://php.net/manual/en/function.time.phpand
>
> >> >> > > >http://www.gfxvoid.com/forums/showthread.php?28576-PHP-Time-Date-Display
>
> >> >> > However I pay for a service that controls this. When you try to look
>
> >> >> > up my info, you are directed to a security site in Canada instead. The
>
> >> >> > server I actually use is in the US. The host provides this security
>
> >> >> Is your website php.net or gfxvoid?
> >> >> or do you mean usenet
> >> >> posting-host=70.128.125.47
> >> >> ?
>
> >> > I have two domains, one of which has a sub-domain. Forhttp://www.cwdjr.net
> >> > , you will find a message that you can not get into the index if you

> >> > go there. If you go tohttp://www.cwdjr.infoyoualso can not get into

> >> > the main index. You must know some specific page in either domain to

> >> > get in. In the sub-domainhttp://winefaq.cwdjr.netyoucan get into

> >> > the main index for it. It is the faqs for a Usenet group, and I put it
> >> > up for free. If you enter cwdjr.net athttp://www.whois.com/whois/cwdjr.net,
> >> > instead of finding detailed personal information about the site, you
> >> > get a security service in Canada.
> >> > It takes about 13 GB to download everything on the server to my
> >> > computer for backup, and I use a 25 GB Blu-ray disc for backup.
>
> >> Know a page? You mean such as:
>
> >>http://www.cwdjr.net/souearly/songs2Root.php
>
> > Yes. There are quite a few pages that I have posted somewhere and for
> > which the urls have been saved by someone and perhaps re-posted
> > somewhere else. You found the url of one of my fairly early pages. It
> > uses a lot of php and also a lot of JavaScript for the dhtml fireworks
> > effects that I wrote. Dhtml is seldom used today, and I likely would
> > now use flash instead. The music on the page comes from the very early
> > days of recording - pre-1900.
>
> Actually quite easy, just Googled for cwdjr.net and a whole slew of
> sites showed up. :-)

Yes, most of the urls you found likely came from some of my Usenet
posts and Google gets them from there and often keeps them for many
years. However go to http://www.cwdjr.net/souearly/ and try to see
what else is there. You get "Bye" although there are 154 files there.
Thus knowing a url for a lower level file does not allow one to
harvest everything in the higher level file.

Some things on my site are password protected. A few use secure pages.
The reason for this is that I have some huge media files that I wish
to control to avoid too much bandwidth or to not make available to the
general public because they contain private HD video. And this private
video is not porn as my host will take down your whole site without
notice if you put up porn pages. I do not sell anything on the site,
but the host has shopping carts, etc available for those who do sell
things. I have only had to change the url of a page a time or two to
avoid excessive bandwidth. But, back to the starting subject of this
thread, you still do not get the private info about my web sites
without going through a security site that allows asking me a question
that I am free to not answer. Before I used this security service, I
was getting huge amounts of spam to the computer, much spam by snail
mail, and even spam telephone calls from all over the world - once at
about 3 am local time.

[Whi]

I just put your web address here
http://freelabs.info/UrlToIpOnline.aspx

then put your IP here
http://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/ip/98.131.36.151

Columbus, Ohio, United States
Is this pretty close?

[Whi]

On Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:35:10 AM UTC, Whi wrote:
> > > > > On 26.01.2013 21:41, cwdjrxyz wrote:
When you try to look
> > > > up my info, you are directed to a security site in Canada instead. The
> > > > server I actually use is in the US. The host provides this security
>
>
>

> I just put your web address here
>
> http://freelabs.info/UrlToIpOnline.aspx
>
>
>
> then put your IP here
>
> http://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/ip/98.131.36.151
>
>
>
> Columbus, Ohio, United States
>
> Is this pretty close?

That was for the domain as well as the sub-domain

Ok that's the server you use in the USA
Without php it'd use default, but if you've set an offset for your timezone then I don't know.

Page source says "Code written by cwdjrxyz@ yahoo.com and last revised July 15, 2005."
But which timezone this July 15 is, I can't be sure. Although its a date you typed rather than generated by PHP.

[»Q«]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:14:35 -0800 (PST)
Whi <adn...@live.co.uk> wrote:

> Page source says "Code written by cwdjrxyz@[snip] and last

> revised July 15, 2005." But which timezone this July 15 is, I can't
> be sure. Although its a date you typed rather than generated by PHP.

You can't determine whether it was PHP-generated by looking at the
downloaded "source" -- you'd need the web server's source.

[Paddlefoot]

Whi wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:46:20 AM UTC, cwdjrxyz wrote:

***************

> I just put your web address here
> http://freelabs.info/UrlToIpOnline.aspx
>
> then put your IP here
> http://ip-address-lookup-v4.com/ip/98.131.36.151
>
> Columbus, Ohio, United States
> Is this pretty close?

Registrant:
Ecommerce, Inc.
1774 Dividend Dr
Columbus, OH 43228
US

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:57:59 GMT
Server: Apache
Last-Modified: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:17:01 GMT
ETag: "12db28af-108-487449cd"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 264
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

--
Carbon: Father of the elements.

[Whi]

Which webpage got you this info?

[Whi]

I put into Google
ETag: "12db28af-108-487449cd"

http://www.metaheaders.net/www.cwdjr.net.html

http://siteintheworld.com/www.cwdjr.net
Cwdjr.net is currently hosted at Cyquator Technologies Limited on the IP address of 202.46.202.67 that is located in India.
Time Zone: Asia/Calcutta

[Whi]

On Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:36:28 AM UTC, Whi wrote:
> > Which webpage got you this info?
>
>
>
> I put into Google
>
> ETag: "12db28af-108-487449cd"
>
>
>
> http://www.metaheaders.net/www.cwdjr.net.html
>
>
>
> http://siteintheworld.com/www.cwdjr.net
>
> Cwdjr.net is currently hosted at Cyquator Technologies Limited on the IP address of 202.46.202.67 that is located in India.
>
> Time Zone: Asia/Calcutta

http://siteintheworld.com/www.cwdjr.net
IP Address: 202.46.202.67
ISP: Cyquator Technologies Limited
Organization: Cyquator Technologies Limited
IP Location: Mumbai, India IN

For some strange reason on this site all domains go to Mumbai, unless you look in Google cache which for some reason gives it a different IP address.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:P97fYHKtPH8J:siteintheworld.com/www.cwdjr.net+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
IP Address: 98.131.36.151
IP Location: Columbus, United States US
Region / State: OH Ohio
City: Columbus
Time Zone: America/New_York
_____________________________________________________________________

http://siteintheworld.com/www.php.net
IP Address: 202.46.202.67
ISP: Cyquator Technologies Limited
Organization: Cyquator Technologies Limited
IP Location: Mumbai, India IN

"php.net" site:siteintheworld.com
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JnjbjJrSAxgJ:siteintheworld.com/www.php.net+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
IP Address: 69.147.83.197
ISP: Yahoo!
Organization: Yahoo!
IP Location: Sunnyvale, United States US

Region / State: CA California
City: Sunnyvale
Country Code: US
Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
____________________________________________________________________________-

"www.gfxvoid.com" site:siteintheworld.com
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LS-2uFLy_xkJ:siteintheworld.com/www.gfxvoid.com+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
IP Address: 208.94.146.71
ISP: Tiggee LLC
Organization: Tiggee LLC
IP Location: Reston, United States US

State: VA Virginia
City: Reston
Country Code: US
Time Zone: America/New_York

http://www.metaheaders.net/www.gfxvoid.com.html
Gfxvoid.com hosted on 66.219.20.34 IPs, by Dimension 4 Networks Llc, in datacenter located in Linden, North Carolina, United States.