Microsoft KB pages in Firefox
Iceman
This has probably been asked before, but why do Microsoft KnowledgeBase
pages show up so poorly in Firefox? Often ony half of the page comes up and
you can neither scroll down nor click on a hyperlink for a subarticle.
Are Microsoft KB pages designed solely for Internet Explorer?
Alan Baxter
wrote:
I don't think so. The Microsoft KnowledgeBase pages display fine for
me. Can you give the URL of a specific problem page? Maybe you have an
extension problem. Hope this helps.
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Phil Randal
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:40:01 +0100, Iceman <isma...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Firefox 1.5.0.1
>>
>> This has probably been asked before, but why do Microsoft KnowledgeBase
>> pages show up so poorly in Firefox? Often ony half of the page comes up and
>> you can neither scroll down nor click on a hyperlink for a subarticle.
>>
>> Are Microsoft KB pages designed solely for Internet Explorer?
>
> I don't think so. The Microsoft KnowledgeBase pages display fine for
> me. Can you give the URL of a specific problem page? Maybe you have an
> extension problem. Hope this helps.
No, it's genuine, reproducible in 1.0.7, 1.5.0.1, and nightly trunk
windows builds with clean profiles.
To reproduce, open
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113
Then scroll down by dragging the slider in the scroll bar.
Forcing a redraw by enabling a toolbar does the right thing. Those KB
pages are all tables using broken HTML, IIRC.
I've posted a screenshot here:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=318890
Cheers,
Phil
Alan Baxter
wrote:
Yuck! I see what you mean. I see much of that table, but a lot of it
and most everything underneath it is cut off for me now. I guess you've
answered Iceman's questions too.
Ace
This is in the CSS:
#contentArea{height:100%; /*not supported in IE but should be
global,value should match #widthFix*/
min-width:48em;width:100%;}
I believe setting any height to 100% is a bit dodgy. Because the <body>
has no height set, the div height has to guess a height, and it looks
like it uses the screen height. When the browser is resized, the
document height is known and can be drawn properly.
That's my guess.
Here's someones take on it:
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/100percheight.html
Hank Arnold
that IETab is a great add-on for FF that will render just about any MS
page correctly (the administrator page for WSUS is one that just won't
work).
Hank Arnold
Alan Illeman
"Phil Randal" <ph...@rebee.clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:RM2dnW8agMl...@mozilla.org...
I see no such problem here -- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0;
en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7
Anyone else using Win2K Pro SP.5 (and virus free) confirm this?
Alan
ken
Jim
>>>> Are Microsoft KB pages designed solely for Internet Explorer?
>>> I don't think so.
>>
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113
>>
>> Then scroll down by dragging the slider in the scroll bar.
> Looks fine here. XPPro SP2, FF 1.5.0.1
Looks fine here as well. W98SE, FF 1.5.0.1
Sam 'n' Ella
"Iceman" <isma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dqednT7XKqKyuLrZ...@mozilla.org...
: Firefox 1.5.0.1
Some pages do indeed malfunction unless opened with IE, but I have an Me OS
and got all the way to the bottom with the slider bar (long file!) with no
problem.
Ken Bland
Iceman
<news:dqednT7XKqKyuLrZ...@mozilla.org>:
Thanks to all of you guys. I got IE Tab and added
http://support.microsoft.com to its preferences. The KB pages are rendered
perfectly now (at least the one I checked).
Irwin Greenwald
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Phil Randal
Funny, I can consistently reproduce it with FF1.0.7, 1.5.0.1, nightly
trunk builds on two very different PCs running Win XP.
Phil
Irwin Greenwald
Have you tried it in safe mode?
Start>>Run firefox.exe -safe-mode
Bob Bailey
I'm able to scroll down and clicked a random link that worked fine.
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EE
they mess up the knowledge base if they get a user-agent not from IE.
Alex
I initially thought the same thing here. However, upon comparing the
page in both FF & IE, I did see that FF was indeed cutting off the
bottom portion of the page.
XP Home SP2, FF 1.5.0.1
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ken
helpful. Since I rarely fill those out I wouldn't miss it.
Alan Illeman
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Sorry, that was a typo, should have been SP.4
Phil Randal
Well, my screenshot isn't a fake, and I get the same thing on completely
clean installs, my own builds, everything.... It is not a figment of my
imagination.
Phil
Alan Illeman
"Phil Randal" <ph...@rebee.clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:5JednVam2pg...@mozilla.org...
Is that clean installs of the Win XP?
Do you have any machines running Win2K?
Alan
Phil Randal
Fully patched XP - seen the same on Win 98SE too.
Others have also replicated this problem.
Phil
Irwin Greenwald
> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
<snip>
>> Have you tried it in safe mode?
>> Start>>Run firefox.exe -safe-mode
>>
>> Irwin
>
> Well, my screenshot isn't a fake, and I get the same thing on completely
> clean installs, my own builds, everything.... It is not a figment of my
> imagination.
>
> Phil
But have you tried running FF in Safe Mode????? This can determine
whether or not a theme or extension is the cause of the problem.
Start>>Run firefox.exe -safe-mode
(note the space after "exe")
Phil Randal
> Phil Randal wrote:
>> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Have you tried it in safe mode?
>>> Start>>Run firefox.exe -safe-mode
>>>
>>> Irwin
>>
>> Well, my screenshot isn't a fake, and I get the same thing on
>> completely clean installs, my own builds, everything.... It is not a
>> figment of my imagination.
>>
>> Phil
>
> But have you tried running FF in Safe Mode????? This can determine
> whether or not a theme or extension is the cause of the problem.
>
> Start>>Run firefox.exe -safe-mode
> (note the space after "exe")
>
> Irwin
It has nothing to do with themes or extensions, if you'd read my
original contribution to this thread. Happens on standard out of the
box clean installs of all variants of Firefox. Consistently
reproducible too, which is why I can't understand why you can't - maybe
if you followed my instructions on the Mozillazine forum post to the
letter you'd have the same result. The key thing is to drag the scroll
bar, not page down.
Phil
Phil Randal
> Phil Randal wrote:
>> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Have you tried it in safe mode?
>>> Start>>Run firefox.exe -safe-mode
>>>
>>> Irwin
>>
>> Well, my screenshot isn't a fake, and I get the same thing on
>> completely clean installs, my own builds, everything.... It is not a
>> figment of my imagination.
>>
>> Phil
>
> But have you tried running FF in Safe Mode????? This can determine
> whether or not a theme or extension is the cause of the problem.
>
> Start>>Run firefox.exe -safe-mode
> (note the space after "exe")
>
> Irwin
Just done it with a recent trunk CVS build (Bon Echo) with --safe-mode
and the same thing happens:
Visit
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113
Then drag the slider bar down rapidly - page is truncated (but perhaps
not in an obvious manner. Because it is the table contents which get
chopped.
Anyhow, others have verified it so I don't quite understand why you're
wasting so much time on this denial thing.
Phil
clay
...standard 'Moz Champion' party line.
fwiw, a Ctrl++ then Ctrl+0 (zero) fixes the page.
Phil Randal
Anything which resizes the page content forces a reflow which fixes it.
In my case, showing then hiding a toolbar has the same effect.
One day, I might find the bit of code responsible in the firefox source,
but don't hold your breath - so far it's completely inpenetrable to me.
Cheers,
Phil
Steven Panek
be stuck in IE hell so stay in Firefox heaven
Irwin Greenwald
I am *not* "wasting time on this denial thing". I *am* wasting time on
trying to reproduce the problem you are seeing; I have dragged the
scrollbar rapidly (and done it several times) on each of the sites you
have referenced and can not reproduce your problem.
Perhaps you need to update your video driver?
clay
>
> I am *not* "wasting time on this denial thing". I *am* wasting time on
> trying to reproduce the problem you are seeing; I have dragged the
> scrollbar rapidly (and done it several times) on each of the sites you
> have referenced and can not reproduce your problem.
>
> Perhaps you need to update your video driver?
>
> Irwin
>
Apparently, a whole bunch of us need to upgrade our video driver if that
is the fix...
For me, no need to drag the scroll bar. Scroll wheel down to the bottom
and see this:
http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot.jpg
Ctrl++ then Ctrl+0 (zero) and the bottom looks like this:
http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/mozscreenshota.jpg
When you go to the link:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113
do you see this at the bottom of the page?
http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot.jpg
Phil Randal
You're not paying attention, are you? Reproduced this on three
different PCs, all with different video cards (two XP, one Win 98).
*sighs*
Phil
Ron K.
On my first page load I got a JS has stalled do I want to cancel msg. On
doing a page reload the msg. did not come back. What you are seeing may
be caused by JS not finishing the loading of links because it has hung.
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Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting.
Irwin Greenwald
> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>
>> I am *not* "wasting time on this denial thing". I *am* wasting time on
>> trying to reproduce the problem you are seeing; I have dragged the
>> scrollbar rapidly (and done it several times) on each of the sites you
>> have referenced and can not reproduce your problem.
>>
>> Perhaps you need to update your video driver?
>>
>> Irwin
>>
>
> Apparently, a whole bunch of us need to upgrade our video driver if that
> is the fix...
*I suggest it's worth a try.*
> For me, no need to drag the scroll bar. Scroll wheel down to the bottom
> and see this:
> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot.jpg
>
> Ctrl++ then Ctrl+0 (zero) and the bottom looks like this:
> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/mozscreenshota.jpg
>
> When you go to the link:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113
>
> do you see this at the bottom of the page?
> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot.jpg
>
> or this?
> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/mozscreenshota.jpg
After doing a very rapid drag of the scroll bar. I see your last one.
clay
>>> Perhaps you need to update your video driver?
>>>
>>> Irwin
>>>
>>
>> Apparently, a whole bunch of us need to upgrade our video driver if
>> that is the fix...
>
> *I suggest it's worth a try.*
I'm inclined toward screen resolution, refresh, (or some combination of
things video) that causes the page to not display correctly the first
time. If it were a coding issue, one would expect it to display the same
for everyone.
I have three boxes at home with different video I can check out tonight.
Whatever the cause, knowing the workaround saves me from having to use
Internet Exploiter to read Msloth KB's and that's a good thing.
> After doing a very rapid drag of the scroll bar. I see your last one.
>
> Irwin
>
Presumably then, you noticed the difference in the two screenshots of
what loads initially (for me) and what displays after fuddling around
with the text size?
Philip Chee
> When you go to the link:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113
> do you see this at the bottom of the page?
> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot.jpg
> or this?
> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/mozscreenshota.jpg
I see the latter using:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20060321
SeaMonkey/1.5a
Phil
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Irwin Greenwald
1280x768 with no problems.
gwtc
> Guys Microsoft wants you to use IE and to
> be stuck in IE hell so stay in Firefox heaven
What IE hell? IE is a cousin of FF/Moz/SM/Net. They all came from Mosaic
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gwtc
> Steven Panek wrote:
>
>
>
>>Guys Microsoft wants you to use IE and to
>>be stuck in IE hell so stay in Firefox heaven
>
> What IE hell? IE is a cousin of FF/Moz/SM/Net. They all came from Mosaic
>
only FF/Moz/SM/Net have grown up while IE stayed the same.
clay
>> I'm inclined toward screen resolution, refresh, (or some combination
>> of things video) that causes the page to not display correctly the
>> first time. If it were a coding issue, one would expect it to display
>> the same for everyone.
>> I have three boxes at home with different video I can check out tonight.
>> Whatever the cause, knowing the workaround saves me from having to use
>> Internet Exploiter to read Msloth KB's and that's a good thing.
>>
>>> After doing a very rapid drag of the scroll bar. I see your last one.
>>>
>>> Irwin
>>>
>>
>> Presumably then, you noticed the difference in the two screenshots of
>> what loads initially (for me) and what displays after fuddling around
>> with the text size?
>>
> Yep. BTW what is your resolution? I'm at 1024x768. Just tried it at
> 1280x768 with no problems.
>
the screenshots were 1024x768 nvidia wildcat card.
I tried it at home on xpp 1024x768 radeon 9600, 2k with the same, and 2k
with radeon 8500 at 1600x1200.
all show the page truncated initially:
http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot.jpg
but complete after a Ctrl++, etc...
http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/mozscreenshota.jpg
Phil Randal
No, it's not that at all, it's a table rendering bug, pure and simple.
Phil
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Steven Panek wrote:
>
>
>> Guys Microsoft wants you to use IE and to
>> be stuck in IE hell so stay in Firefox heaven
> What IE hell? IE is a cousin of FF/Moz/SM/Net. They all came from Mosaic
>
Not quite.
Spyglass Mosaic was relatively unknown in its day and did not use any of
the NCSA Mosaic source code.
Microsoft Internet Explorer was derived from Spyglass Mosaic. Therefore,
IE did not come from "NCSA Mosaic" as Netscape did.
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gwtc
> On 30.03.2006 22:55, gwtc wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>>Steven Panek wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Guys Microsoft wants you to use IE and to
>>>be stuck in IE hell so stay in Firefox heaven
>>
>>What IE hell? IE is a cousin of FF/Moz/SM/Net. They all came from Mosaic
>>
>
>
> Not quite.
>
> Spyglass Mosaic was relatively unknown in its day and did not use any of
> the NCSA Mosaic source code.
>
> Microsoft Internet Explorer was derived from Spyglass Mosaic. Therefore,
> IE did not come from "NCSA Mosaic" as Netscape did.
>
From Help, About, I get this:
"Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National
Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois
at Urbana-Champaign.
Distributed under a licensing agreement with Spyglass, Inc."
Notice the first couple of words "Based on NCSA Mosaic." Does that
not mean IE came from parts of Mosaic?
Ron K.
IIRC, Spyglass also purchased a license to Mosaic and continued
development under the Spyglass brand for a short while after NCSA dropped
development.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Spyglass Mosaic (Spyglass, Inc. now defunct) was a commercial version
liscensed from NCSA Mosaic. IE was sourced from Spyglass Mosaic, not
NCSA Mosaic .. Knee-Bone connected to the Thigh Bone .. etc. -)
Licensing issue I s'pose.
gwtc
So, we have NCSA Mosaic, to Spyglass Mosaic, to IE.
We also have NCSA Mosaic to Netscape.
As I said, Net/Moz/SM/FF and IE are still connected -- they're cousins!
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> As I said, Net/Moz/SM/FF and IE are still connected -- they're cousins!
That's fine, we'll let it go at that ... yuk! :-(
gwtc
> On 31.03.2006 11:34, gwtc wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>>As I said, Net/Moz/SM/FF and IE are still connected -- they're cousins!
>
>
> That's fine, we'll let it go at that ... yuk! :-(
>
>
if thats not bad enough, then take a look at this: the User Agent for
IE6 (under win98) says: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Win32)
Take a look in the registry under:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet
Settings
or here:
HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet
Settings
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