User agent switcher vs IEtab
Jim S
I am getting more and more commercial sites which only work in IE for a
number of reasons.
I use IEtab, but was recommended UAS. What's the difference?
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C A Upsdell
> Can someone explain the difference please.
> I am getting more and more commercial sites which only work in IE for a
> number of reasons.
> I use IEtab, but was recommended UAS. What's the difference?
IEtab is needed when the site truly needs IE. UAS will work if the site
will work with FF except that it has dumb JavaScript which assumes
that the site will work only when the browser says that it is IE.
PeterInMN
Also,
many sites will exclude browsers that are not there prefered browser.
Wells Fargo will use only IE and Netscape, but with User Agent Switcher,
it will work perfectly well in FF. Wells Fargo could change this, but
there too stuborn.
Jim S
God, now I'm really confused.
Terry R.
? I log in fine to Wells Fargo with FF, no UAS, nothing.
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Terry R.
Jim,
UAS just tricks a website into telling it the browser you are using is
IE. A lot of times, this is all you need, but you are really using FF.
This is done on some websites who have lazy webmasters who code only
for IE and don't care to code the site to standards accepted by all
browsers.
IE Tab opens up an instance of IE withing a FF window, so you are really
using IE, not FF, even though it's in a FF window.
Hope this helps,
Aggro
> Can someone explain the difference please.
> I am getting more and more commercial sites which only work in IE for a
> number of reasons.
> I use IEtab, but was recommended UAS. What's the difference?
IEtab uses IE to display the page. That means that it doesn't work
without IE and any rendering bugs or features IE has, will affect the
result. Just like as if it would have been displayed with IE.
UAS works in a way that it just says to the webserver that your browser
is IE. Something like this:
Web server: "Hello, who are you?"
Firefox with UAS: "I am IE 7.0"
So if you think that you have 2 paintings, Mona Lisa and one of your own
work which you would like to look like Mona Lisa.
IETab would mean that you use frames from your painting and take the
canvas from Mona Lisa and use that. Which means that it looks like Mona
Lisa except for the frames. And in fact it really is the Mona Lisa, it
doesn't just look like it.
UAS would mean that you use your own work as it is, but you just write a
label under it saying "Mona Lisa". Which means that it doesn't look
anything like Mona Lisa, but you could still fool quite many to think
that it does.
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Jim S
OK to cases.
Easyjet's page looks ok and works ok, but if you try a printout of flight
options, it all prints on the left-hand side of the page(over one another).
One site I use for work uses Java applets (Least I think that's what it
does) and unless I open with IE it just sits there blank. I have got it to
work by using the IEtab options so that page and its links always function
correctly.
What I was asking is that in these two cases is there any advantage in
moving to UAS?
Ron Hunter
IF you want to use the FF interface, including your already set up user
ids and passwords, and the FF Gecko rendering engine, the the UAS will
do that, for the pages that check for what browser you are using, and
actually DO work with Gecko. It, can, however, cause problems should
your program crash as the next startup can cause considerable confusion
on the part of the software, resulting in unpleasant things, which is
why I NEVER use it. IE Tab has never failed me, nor has it ever caused
me one bit of trouble. There is the problem that IE Tab is, basically,
running IE, which exposes you to all the nice tracking cookies, and
other assorted security threats, so keeping its use to the minimum, and
running spyware/malware checkers after using it is a routine around here.
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Aggro
> IF you want to use the FF interface, including your already set up user
> ids and passwords, and the FF Gecko rendering engine, the the UAS will
> do that, for the pages that check for what browser you are using, and
> actually DO work with Gecko. It, can, however, cause problems should
> your program crash as the next startup can cause considerable confusion
> on the part of the software,
It is highly unlikely that using UAS could cause Firefox to crash.
Assuming the installation and profile files are not corrupted (in which
case crashing could be more likely).
> There is the problem that IE Tab is, basically,
> running IE, which exposes you to all the nice tracking cookies, and
> other assorted security threats, so keeping its use to the minimum, and
> running spyware/malware checkers after using it is a routine around here.
Another problem like I said, is that it still requires IE, which is
problematic if you are for example using Linux like I am.
I have found out that if you just complain to the web masters of the
websites that don't work with Firefox, they quite often fix their
websites. Sometimes it takes only a day, sometimes few years. Depending
on how many of the users are actually complaining about it.
Of course there are also those who don't want to change. But as the
amount of Firefox users keeps growing, those sites either have to change
or lose their visitors. I think that the amount of websites that work
with different browsers is highly tied to the amount of Firefox users in
that country. In my country about 40% use Firefox and I don't know a
single website that would require me to use IE. But this wasn't the case
2 years ago. Back then I did a lot fo complaining.
This doesn't benefit just the users of the Firefox, as if the website
works with Firefox, it is highly likely that it is usable also with
other browsers like Opera, Konqueror, Safari etc.
So at first, I recommend to contant the webmasters and tell them that
the website doesn't work with Firefox and also use the Help->Report
broken website functinality to let others know about the issue also.
After that try UAS as it is more reliable and doesn't require IE
components to work, if that doesn't work, try IETab as your last
alternative.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> C A Upsdell > wrote:
>> Jim S wrote:
>>> Can someone explain the difference please.
>>> I am getting more and more commercial sites which only work in IE for a
>>> number of reasons.
>>> I use IEtab, but was recommended UAS. What's the difference?
>>
>> IEtab is needed when the site truly needs IE. UAS will work if the
>> site will work with FF except that it has dumb JavaScript which
>> assumes that the site will work only when the browser says that it is IE.
>
> Also,
> it will work perfectly well in FF. Wells Fargo could change this, but
At one time you could say "ditto" for Suntrust. After much haranguing on
my part and I am sure many other They add support in their browser
sniffer "FireFox" but made it FF specific. I still need in SeaMonkey UAS
to make their internet banking work in SM. My first choice. As I
understand it if they had keyed on the word Gecko or even Mozilla it
would have worked on any Mozilla based Browser product.
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I would note. If you should be using a Macintosh. You have no choice but
to use UAS. As The last update of IE 5.2.3 for Mac only works well with
OSX.3.9. OSX.4 on up it breaks down and only partially works. All
support for IE was immediately after Apple came out with Safari for OSX,
and Gates had a hissy fit about it.
Gates would have done well to have calmed down, and let Safari die on
the vine. Safari is just a very Patched up version of Konqueror That the
Linux Community had all but given up on because they could figure out
how to fix the remaining bugs.
IF IE had remained on OSX safari would have long died years ago.
Irwin Greenwald
> On 6/21/2007 4:23 PM On a whim, PeterInMN pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> C A Upsdell > wrote:
>>> Jim S wrote:
>>>> Can someone explain the difference please.
>>>> I am getting more and more commercial sites which only work in IE for a
>>>> number of reasons.
>>>> I use IEtab, but was recommended UAS. What's the difference?
>>> IEtab is needed when the site truly needs IE. UAS will work if the
>>> site will work with FF except that it has dumb JavaScript which
>>> assumes that the site will work only when the browser says that it is
>>> IE.
>>
>> Also,
>> many sites will exclude browsers that are not there prefered browser.
>> Wells Fargo will use only IE and Netscape, but with User Agent
>> Switcher, it will work perfectly well in FF. Wells Fargo could change
>> this, but there too stuborn.
>
> ? I log in fine to Wells Fargo with FF, no UAS, nothing.
>
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C A Upsdell
> I would note. If you should be using a Macintosh. You have no choice but
> to use UAS. As The last update of IE 5.2.3 for Mac only works well with
> OSX.3.9. OSX.4 on up it breaks down and only partially works. All
> support for IE was immediately after Apple came out with Safari for OSX,
> and Gates had a hissy fit about it.
Not to appear to be defending MS, but it had previously ended support of
IE for Solaris and HP-UX, which it had supported for a number of years,
so it is arguable that MS ended support of IE for the Mac in line with a
policy of restricting IE to Windows, and not as the result of a sudden
emotional reaction by Bill Gates.
> Gates would have done well to have calmed down, and let Safari die on
> the vine. Safari is just a very Patched up version of Konqueror That the
> Linux Community had all but given up on because they could figure out
> how to fix the remaining bugs.
As it is now, most people with OS X use Safari. And I trust that you
are aware that Apple recently released a beta of Safari for Windows, so
Apple clearly has ambitions (or delusions of grandeur?).
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
the Space used on the hard drive (at least the Mac version). I have
Safari and I also have a KDE install on the same drive and
Konqueror on the KDE section. The version of Konqueror used won't even
work with https pages.
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