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Ron K.

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May 9, 2006, 10:08:05 PM5/9/06
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T-bird Leader Radium radioed the tower On 5/9/2006 9:55 PM:

> Mozilla is better than Firefox!
>

Mozilla is officialy dead, get seamonkey or switch to Firefox, thats all
folks.

\n doesn't work?
use the [enter] key

Radium

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May 9, 2006, 10:31:44 PM5/9/06
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DAMN!

Gudmund Areskoug

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May 10, 2006, 2:45:39 AM5/10/06
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WHY!

BR!
GUDMUND!

squaredancer

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May 10, 2006, 6:06:38 AM5/10/06
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On 10.05.2006 03:55 am, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Radium to
generate the following:? :

you got a Spammer's Address, so I cam *SPAM YOU* ??

reg

squaredancer

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May 10, 2006, 6:08:09 AM5/10/06
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On 10.05.2006 03:55 am, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Radium to
generate the following:? :

>Mozilla is better than Firefox!

you got a "Spam Reply Address" so that I can *SPAMM YOU* ??

reg

squaredancer

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May 10, 2006, 6:17:50 AM5/10/06
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On 10.05.2006 12:08 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused
squaredancer to generate the following:? :

Sorry for the "double Post" - had some glitch in TB - sending the reply
*deleted/closed* the TB application and, on re-opening, all the read
posts were marked as unread - odd, odd

reg

Jay Garcia

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May 10, 2006, 9:11:18 AM5/10/06
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On 10.05.2006 05:06, squaredancer wrote:

--- Original Message ---

>>Mozilla is better than Firefox!
>>
>>
>>
> you got a Spammer's Address, so I cam *SPAM YOU* ??
>
> reg

Any reason why you quoted the entire message AND maintained the crosspost?

--
Jay Garcia Netscape/Mozilla Champion
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org

Jay Garcia

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May 10, 2006, 9:13:11 AM5/10/06
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On 10.05.2006 05:17, squaredancer wrote:

--- Original Message ---

>> you got a "Spam Reply Address" so that I can *SPAMM YOU* ??
>>
>> reg
>
> Sorry for the "double Post" - had some glitch in TB - sending the reply
> *deleted/closed* the TB application and, on re-opening, all the read
> posts were marked as unread - odd, odd
>
> reg

And then you 100% quoted AGAIN ... AND maintained the crosspost. Geeze reg.

Radium

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May 10, 2006, 11:08:29 AM5/10/06
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Because Firefox is so creepy, frightening, disgusting, terrifying,
irritating, and annoying.

squaredancer

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May 10, 2006, 1:29:58 PM5/10/06
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On 10.05.2006 05:08 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Radium to
generate the following:? :

>Because Firefox is so creepy, frightening, disgusting, terrifying,

ummm - in *other words* YOU can't manage it??


reg

squaredancer

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May 10, 2006, 1:31:49 PM5/10/06
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On 10.05.2006 03:11 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Jay Garcia
to generate the following:? :

>On 10.05.2006 05:06, squaredancer wrote:


>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>
>>>Mozilla is better than Firefox!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>you got a Spammer's Address, so I cam *SPAM YOU* ??
>>
>>reg
>>
>>
>
>Any reason why you quoted the entire message AND maintained the crosspost?
>
>
>

what's a "cross-post" and *how* am I supposed to know one, when it's
there, somewhere??

reg

ps - this group is *moderated* - what does a moderator do, if not moderate??

»Q«

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squaredancer <square...@t-online.de> wrote in
<news:5aGdnbbOuoC7vv_Z...@mozilla.org>:

> On 10.05.2006 03:11 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Jay
> Garcia to generate the following:? :
>

>> Any reason why you quoted the entire message AND maintained the
>> crosspost?
>
> what's a "cross-post"

See <http://www.rahul.net/falk/glossary.html#crosspost>.

> and *how* am I supposed to know one, when it's there, somewhere??

Glance at the Newsgroups header.

> ps - this group is *moderated* - what does a moderator do, if not
> moderate??

This group is not moderated. It's up to you to snip and not to
crosspost.

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Ron Lopshire

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squaredancer wrote:

> On 10.05.2006 03:11 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Jay Garcia
> to generate the following:? :
>
>> On 10.05.2006 05:06, squaredancer wrote:
>>

>> (snip)

>>
> what's a "cross-post" and *how* am I supposed to know one, when it's
> there, somewhere??
>
> reg
>
> ps - this group is *moderated* - what does a moderator do, if not
> moderate??

reg,

This is cross-posted to mozilla.support.firefox and
mozilla.support.general with the follow-up set to mozilla.support.general.

Cross-posting should be used only where appropriate, and using the
"follow-up set to" prevents people from having to read the same thread
over and over.

This is not to confused with multi-posting which is only done by
brain-dead, mouth-breathing, top-posting low-lifes.

Ron ;)

Gudmund Areskoug

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May 10, 2006, 2:40:14 PM5/10/06
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Radium wrote:
> Gudmund Areskoug wrote:
>> Radium wrote:
>>> Ron K. wrote:
>>>> T-bird Leader Radium radioed the tower On 5/9/2006 9:55 PM:
>>>>> Mozilla is better than Firefox!
>>>>>
>>>> Mozilla is officialy dead, get seamonkey or switch to Firefox, thats all
>>>> folks.
>>>>
>>>> \n doesn't work?
>>>> use the [enter] key
>>> DAMN!
>> WHY!
>>
>> BR!
>> GUDMUND!

> Because Firefox is so creepy,

How exactly, supposing it's something other than a very personal
perception? How should it, in your opinion, be improved upon?

> frightening,

How exactly, supposing it's something other than a very personal
perception? How should it, in your opinion, be improved upon?

> disgusting,

How exactly, supposing it's something other than a very personal
perception? How should it, in your opinion, be improved upon?

> terrifying,

How exactly, supposing it's something other than a very personal
perception? How should it, in your opinion, be improved upon?

> irritating,

How exactly, supposing it's something other than a very personal
perception? How should it, in your opinion, be improved upon?

> and annoying.

How exactly, supposing it's something other than a very personal
perception? How should it, in your opinion, be improved upon?

BR,
Gudmund

sean...@wizard.net

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On 5/10/2006 9:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jay Garcia e'mailed me with...:

> On 10.05.2006 05:17, squaredancer wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>>> you got a "Spam Reply Address" so that I can *SPAMM YOU* ??
>>>
>>> reg
>> Sorry for the "double Post" - had some glitch in TB - sending the reply
>> *deleted/closed* the TB application and, on re-opening, all the read
>> posts were marked as unread - odd, odd
>>
>> reg
>
> And then you 100% quoted AGAIN ... AND maintained the crosspost. Geeze reg.
>
>

don't you mean geeezer reg...

!~)

squaredancer

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On 10.05.2006 07:58 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused »Q« to
generate the following:? :

>squaredancer <square...@t-online.de> wrote in
><news:5aGdnbbOuoC7vv_Z...@mozilla.org>:
>
>
>
>>On 10.05.2006 03:11 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Jay
>>Garcia to generate the following:? :
>>
>>
>>
>>>Any reason why you quoted the entire message AND maintained the
>>>crosspost?
>>>
>>>
>>what's a "cross-post"
>>
>>
>
>See <http://www.rahul.net/falk/glossary.html#crosspost>.
>
>
>
>>and *how* am I supposed to know one, when it's there, somewhere??
>>
>>
>
>Glance at the Newsgroups header.
>
>
>
>>ps - this group is *moderated* - what does a moderator do, if not
>>moderate??
>>
>>
>
>This group is not moderated. It's up to you to snip and not to
>crosspost.
>
>
>

ummmm .... "Q" means Query??? *absolutely nothing* in the header that
says "cross-posted to..."

reg

Terry

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On 5/10/2006 3:25 PM On a whim, squaredancer pounded out on the keyboard

Hey Reg,

I guess they expect everyone to have those headers showing. What they
don't think about is that people customize their headers to see what
they want. I for one don't show that info so I wouldn't know if someone
is cross-posting or posting anywhere else for that matter.

If we catch it going to more than one group in the Compose window that's
great, but I usually just type my reply and quickly press send.

So don't let them brow beat you...


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Don Nickell

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May 10, 2006, 7:43:18 PM5/10/06
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Go get'em Gudmund! :-D
Abananas.gif

»Q«

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squaredancer <square...@t-online.de> wrote in
<news:_bidnbL7d-tD-v_Z...@mozilla.org>:

> On 10.05.2006 07:58 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused »Q«
> to generate the following:? :
>
>> squaredancer <square...@t-online.de> wrote in
>> <news:5aGdnbbOuoC7vv_Z...@mozilla.org>:
>>

>>> and *how* am I supposed to know one, when it's there, somewhere??
>>
>> Glance at the Newsgroups header.

> *absolutely nothing* in the header that says "cross-posted to..."

It was

Newsgroups: mozilla.support.firefox,netscape.public.mozilla.general

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»Q«

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May 10, 2006, 11:41:41 PM5/10/06
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Terry <Terry...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> So don't let them brow beat you...

Well, there was also the reposting of 2200+ lines of garbage for a
one-line response.

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»Q«

Jay Garcia

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May 10, 2006, 11:51:16 PM5/10/06
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On 10.05.2006 17:25, squaredancer wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> ummmm .... "Q" means Query??? *absolutely nothing* in the header that
> says "cross-posted to..."
>
> reg

When you reply, the address(s) show up in the To: or Newsgroup(s) field.
If the message is crossposted you'll see more than one address.

gwtc

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May 11, 2006, 12:18:00 AM5/11/06
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Jay Garcia wrote:

> On 10.05.2006 17:25, squaredancer wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>>ummmm .... "Q" means Query??? *absolutely nothing* in the header that
>>says "cross-posted to..."
>>
>>reg
>
>
> When you reply, the address(s) show up in the To: or Newsgroup(s) field.
> If the message is crossposted you'll see more than one address.
>

I don't know how it is in TB, but in Moz using the ToyFactory Theme, I
can have that "To," "From" and "Subject" section closed. I mean, all
I see is the Menu Bar, the Tool Bar and the section where you write
your message. If I wanted to I could also close the other bars.

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Brian J. Graham

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May 11, 2006, 12:21:17 AM5/11/06
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gwtc wrote:

> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> When you reply, the address(s) show up in the To: or Newsgroup(s) field.
>> If the message is crossposted you'll see more than one address.
>>
> I don't know how it is in TB, but in Moz using the ToyFactory Theme, I
> can have that "To," "From" and "Subject" section closed. I mean, all I
> see is the Menu Bar, the Tool Bar and the section where you write your
> message. If I wanted to I could also close the other bars.
>

Same in TB 1.5.0.2 with Mnenhy 0.7.4.0 installed .. *BUT* that only
applies to the message itself ...when you hit reply, as Jay says, you
see multiple addresses even if you have the view headers set to "none".

I keep mine set at "extended normal view".


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gwtc

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May 11, 2006, 12:32:31 AM5/11/06
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Brian J. Graham wrote:

> gwtc wrote:
>
>>Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>>>When you reply, the address(s) show up in the To: or Newsgroup(s) field.
>>>If the message is crossposted you'll see more than one address.
>>>
>>
>>I don't know how it is in TB, but in Moz using the ToyFactory Theme, I
>>can have that "To," "From" and "Subject" section closed. I mean, all I
>>see is the Menu Bar, the Tool Bar and the section where you write your
>>message. If I wanted to I could also close the other bars.
>>
>
>
> Same in TB 1.5.0.2 with Mnenhy 0.7.4.0 installed .. *BUT* that only
> applies to the message itself ...when you hit reply, as Jay says, you
> see multiple addresses even if you have the view headers set to "none".
>

I sure don't. When I have them all closed, I don't see anything even
when I hit reply or reply all.

> I keep mine set at "extended normal view".
>
>

But not everyone has Mnenhy or wants to install it. And I only have
View, Headers, Normal. All takes up too much of the reading room.

squaredancer

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On 11.05.2006 05:41 am, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused »Q« to
generate the following:? :

>Terry <Terry...@gmail.com> wrote in

*WOW* did you actually *count them*... :-P
(sure you didn't miss one??)

reg

Moz Champion (Dan)

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May 11, 2006, 6:30:23 AM5/11/06
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gwtc wrote:
> Brian J. Graham wrote:
>
>> gwtc wrote:
>>
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you reply, the address(s) show up in the To: or Newsgroup(s)
>>>> field.
>>>> If the message is crossposted you'll see more than one address.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know how it is in TB, but in Moz using the ToyFactory Theme,
>>> I can have that "To," "From" and "Subject" section closed. I mean,
>>> all I see is the Menu Bar, the Tool Bar and the section where you
>>> write your message. If I wanted to I could also close the other bars.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Same in TB 1.5.0.2 with Mnenhy 0.7.4.0 installed .. *BUT* that only
>> applies to the message itself ...when you hit reply, as Jay says, you
>> see multiple addresses even if you have the view headers set to "none".
>>
>
> I sure don't. When I have them all closed, I don't see anything even
> when I hit reply or reply all.
>
>> I keep mine set at "extended normal view".
>>
>>
> But not everyone has Mnenhy or wants to install it. And I only have
> View, Headers, Normal. All takes up too much of the reading room.
>
I have View Headers Normal set as well. And no Mnenhy in this one either
But I still see a TO area when I hit reply
In fact on several occassions I have written a reply and then trashed it
because the message was cross or multiposted
I have to admit tho, I have missed a few here and there.

»Q«

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squaredancer <square...@t-online.de> wrote in
<news:zbWdnT2_BZtRlf7Z...@mozilla.org>:

> On 11.05.2006 05:41 am, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused »Q« to
> generate the following:? :
>

>> Well, there was also the reposting of 2200+ lines of garbage for a
>> one-line response.
>
> *WOW* did you actually *count them*...

No, I didn't even download the lines, just the headers.

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»Q«

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May 11, 2006, 10:23:46 AM5/11/06
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Terry <Terry...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On 5/10/2006 8:41 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard

> Yes, but I wasn't commenting about that.

But the only posts that might possibly be contrued as browbeating were
commenting about that.

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Terry

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On 5/11/2006 7:23 AM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard

> Terry <Terry...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <news:A7ednVEvJKwD3_7Z...@mozilla.org>:
>
>> On 5/10/2006 8:41 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> Terry <Terry...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> <news:s9ednSHPFewR9v_Z...@mozilla.org>:
>>>
>>>> So don't let them brow beat you...
>>> Well, there was also the reposting of 2200+ lines of garbage for a
>>> one-line response.
>> Yes, but I wasn't commenting about that.
>
> But the only posts that might possibly be contrued as browbeating were
> commenting about that.
>

Actually they were combined together. I don't see how you can say only
one part of it was "brow beating". You even used the word "also" when
talking about cross-posting and not snipping.


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»Q«

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May 11, 2006, 11:51:36 AM5/11/06
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Terry <Terry...@gmail.com> wrote in
<news:O6OdnVOlQJiVy_7Z...@mozilla.org>:

> On 5/11/2006 7:23 AM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> Terry <Terry...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <news:A7ednVEvJKwD3_7Z...@mozilla.org>:
>>
>>> On 5/10/2006 8:41 PM On a whim, »Q« pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> Terry <Terry...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <news:s9ednSHPFewR9v_Z...@mozilla.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> So don't let them brow beat you...
>>>>
>>>> Well, there was also the reposting of 2200+ lines of garbage
>>>> for a one-line response.
>>>
>>> Yes, but I wasn't commenting about that.
>>
>> But the only posts that might possibly be contrued as browbeating
>> were commenting about that.
>
> Actually they were combined together.

That was my point.

> I don't see how you can say only one part of it was "brow
> beating".

I didn't say any part of it was browbeating.

> You even used the word "also" when talking about cross-posting and
> not snipping.

Yes, that was part of making the point about them being combined
together.

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»Q«

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"Moz Champion (Dan)" <moz.ch...@sympatico.ca> wrote in
<news:UoydnRLy9KjGj_7Z...@mozilla.org>:

ISTM this would be a good RFE bug for Tbird and the suite. If a user
is about to crosspost without a followup group set, he could be
prompted to either set the followup or remove some groups. Of course,
he should be able to choose to override the prompt and just crosspost.

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gwtc

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May 11, 2006, 1:03:32 PM5/11/06
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Jay Garcia wrote:

> On 10.05.2006 23:18, gwtc wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>>Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 10.05.2006 17:25, squaredancer wrote:
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>ummmm .... "Q" means Query??? *absolutely nothing* in the header that
>>>>says "cross-posted to..."
>>>>
>>>>reg
>>>
>>>
>>>When you reply, the address(s) show up in the To: or Newsgroup(s) field.
>>>If the message is crossposted you'll see more than one address.
>>>
>>
>>I don't know how it is in TB, but in Moz using the ToyFactory Theme, I
>>can have that "To," "From" and "Subject" section closed. I mean, all
>>I see is the Menu Bar, the Tool Bar and the section where you write
>>your message. If I wanted to I could also close the other bars.
>>
>
>

> So, when you compose a message, how do you know to whom you are
> composing? 8-)
>
I just found out the name of what I'm talking about. Its called the
Address Bar. When I have that closed, I don't see anything when I
reply. Sometimes this can by annoying when I'm sending emails. I
have one account where there are two identities, and sometimes I
forget to switch them, all because I don't see the Address Bar.

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Tip #7. My mother taught me about STAMINA.
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Tip #8. My mother taught me about WEATHER.
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Ron Hunter

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I would really like to see all USENET servers limit cross-posting to two
groups. This would seriously inhibit spammers.

CBFalconer

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»Q« wrote:
>
... snip ...

>
> ISTM this would be a good RFE bug for Tbird and the suite. If a
> user is about to crosspost without a followup group set, he could be
> prompted to either set the followup or remove some groups. Of course,
> he should be able to choose to override the prompt and just crosspost.

This is one of the very few nags I would approve.

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Moz Champion (Dan)

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gwtc wrote:
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>
>> On 10.05.2006 23:18, gwtc wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10.05.2006 17:25, squaredancer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ummmm .... "Q" means Query??? *absolutely nothing* in the header
>>>>> that says "cross-posted to..."
>>>>>
>>>>> reg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When you reply, the address(s) show up in the To: or Newsgroup(s)
>>>> field.
>>>> If the message is crossposted you'll see more than one address.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know how it is in TB, but in Moz using the ToyFactory Theme,
>>> I can have that "To," "From" and "Subject" section closed. I mean,
>>> all I see is the Menu Bar, the Tool Bar and the section where you
>>> write your message. If I wanted to I could also close the other bars.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So, when you compose a message, how do you know to whom you are
>> composing? 8-)
>>
> I just found out the name of what I'm talking about. Its called the
> Address Bar. When I have that closed, I don't see anything when I
> reply. Sometimes this can by annoying when I'm sending emails. I
> have one account where there are two identities, and sometimes I
> forget to switch them, all because I don't see the Address Bar.
>
So, turn the Address bar on <g>
<POOF> no more annoyances when sending mail <g>

Um, just how did you turn the Address Bar OFF in the first place anyway?
Inquiring minds want to know.
My View-->Toolbars only has Mail/Formatting/Status choices, none of
which apply to the Address Bar
I dont find anything in preferences either - unless its a setting in
config of course.

Um, why on earth would you send out mail when you dont know to whom its
addressed?

gwtc

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May 11, 2006, 7:35:36 PM5/11/06
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I don't turn off the bars, I close them. Get out the old Net 7.2, and
you'll see what I mean. Using the default theme, there is a little
bar to the right, with a little up arrow. When I click on them, I can
close the various bars. In the Mail program, I can close the Mail
Toolbar, and the menu bar. In the Compose message, I can close the
Mail Toolbar, the Menu Bar, the Address Bar, and the Formating
Toolbar. In the Browser, I can close the Menu Bar, the Navigation
Toolbar, and the Personal Toolbar. And if I have any other bar, like
the Google Bar or the Multizilla Bar, I can close them, too.

Oh, I think some people call them chevrons that I click on.

Moz Champion (Dan)

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May 11, 2006, 9:14:04 PM5/11/06
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I no longer support Netscape 7, it was abandoned by AOL sometime ago.

Okay, now we know HOW you did it, but why? I dont send out a message
without knowing where it is going to.

gwtc

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May 11, 2006, 9:25:44 PM5/11/06
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Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:

Why, because of my settings. I have a small 14 inch monitor and use a
resolution of 640x480. I don't have the space to include the address
bar. If I do have them, then I have 8 lines of writing space.
Without them, then I have 15.

Its the same thing in the message pane. If I have the headers
displayed, then I only have 4 and 3/4 lines to read. Without them,
then I have 9 lines.

So, I go without.

Brian J. Graham

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May 12, 2006, 7:13:14 AM5/12/06
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Even a 14 inch monitor should support 800x600 screen resolution which is
a *vast* improvement over 640x480, might even allow the address bar to
stay open. ;)

Gudmund Areskoug

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May 12, 2006, 7:21:24 AM5/12/06
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Just guessing: she wants to be able to read it too, without mounting a
big fresnel-lense onto the screen... ;)

BR,
Gudmund

Lester Caine

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May 12, 2006, 7:44:26 AM5/12/06
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Gudmund Areskoug wrote:

I have a couple of customers using 17" TFT's in 640x480 mode. So they
can actually read the text. They are 'visually impaired' and can't get
onn with the 'magnifier' option, so blowing up the whole screen works.
The fact that many of the site they visit are STILL impossible to view
is another matter - but it is now an offense to NOT provide material
accessible by people with disabilities.

Working WITH these customers has been enjoyable. You realize just how
useless much software is. The 'improvements' due to themes in XP are a
major blocker to many handicapped users. Switch back to classic and high
visibility and everything is fine again.

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Gudmund Areskoug

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May 12, 2006, 8:41:29 AM5/12/06
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indeed. Alt tags for pictures, relevant and usable link names etc. etc....

For web sites, there's at least the possibility to use Ctrl++ and
Ctrl+-. I'm not visually impaired (only slightly short-sighted), but
still need to use Ctrl++ to really see the writing in some sites.

> Working WITH these customers has been enjoyable. You realize just how
> useless much software is. The 'improvements' due to themes in XP are a
> major blocker to many handicapped users. Switch back to classic and high
> visibility and everything is fine again.

I can only say "Yup".

An interesting observation from the alternative: the AFAIR first time I
installed Linux, SuSE 6.3, I noted that one of the first things to show
up on screen was the software scanning for a Braille display.

BR,
Gudmund

Brian J. Graham

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May 12, 2006, 9:03:02 AM5/12/06
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Even at 1280x1024 which is the recommended resolution for this monitor I
find the need for a magnifying glass on some websites with tiny text!

I use this one:

http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/

squaredancer

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May 12, 2006, 10:00:37 AM5/12/06
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On 12.05.2006 13:13, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Brian J.
Graham to generate the following:? :

not the monitor, Brian.... the Video card must support the resolution...

reg

gwtc

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Brian J. Graham wrote:

thats way too small for me. I like the larger setting. Easier to
read, and less strain.

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gwtc

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May 12, 2006, 3:23:54 PM5/12/06
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Gudmund Areskoug wrote:
> Just guessing: she wants to
> BR,
> Gudmund
who is "she"?

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Gudmund Areskoug

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May 12, 2006, 4:04:52 PM5/12/06
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gwtc wrote:
> Gudmund Areskoug wrote:
>> Just guessing: she wants to BR,
>> Gudmund
> who is "she"?

Sorry, I thought I was referring to The Real Bev (who I believe is a
she) somewhere further up in the thread, but obviously mixed people up
between two threads. Since you're wondering who "she" is, I take it
"gwtc" isn't a female name... ;).

BR,
Gudmund

gwtc

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May 12, 2006, 4:43:14 PM5/12/06
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Gudmund Areskoug wrote:

> I take it
> "gwtc" isn't a female name... ;).
>
> BR,
> Gudmund

you got that right! :-)

Brian J. Graham

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May 12, 2006, 4:42:19 PM5/12/06
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True. I was thinking of how 800x600 would look on a 14 inch monitor
..and if the video card supports it, then it should look fine.

Brian J. Graham

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May 12, 2006, 4:44:14 PM5/12/06
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But you can tweak the various font sizes in Win98SE to improve the size
for readability. I understand what you are saying but I can't imagine
doing all that left to right scrolling to read today's websites which
aren't really designed for 640x480.

squaredancer

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May 13, 2006, 3:18:19 AM5/13/06
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On 12.05.2006 22:42, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Brian J.

*lol* I can't even remember how a 15" monitor looks - let alone a 14".
I treated myself to a 17" and 18.1" flatscreens last year, but still
have the old 19"CRT in its box behind my chair - no place in the cellar
for it, and it's too darned heavy to throw out of the window!

reg

Ron Hunter

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May 13, 2006, 4:51:31 AM5/13/06
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With prices for 17" monitors below $100, and 15" LCDs below $150, I am
sure there are many 17" monitors languishing in attics, and cellars in
the OP's area. Perhaps a friend could contribute one to the OP. I know
I have a couple in the attic...

gwtc

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May 13, 2006, 7:45:16 PM5/13/06
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Ron Hunter wrote:
> With prices for 17" monitors below $100, and 15" LCDs below $150,
maybe they are in your part of the world, but not in others.


--
Interesting Mother Trivia: Elvis Presley, was a mama's boy. He slept
in the same bed with his mother, Gladys, until he reached puberty. Up
until Elvis entered high school, she walked him back and forth to
school every day and made him take along his own silverware so that he
wouldn't catch germs from the other kids. Gladys forbade young Elvis
from going swimming or doing anything that might put him in danger.
The two of them also conversed in a strange baby talk that only they
could understand.

Ron Hunter

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May 13, 2006, 9:37:52 PM5/13/06
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gwtc wrote:
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>> With prices for 17" monitors below $100, and 15" LCDs below $150,
> maybe they are in your part of the world, but not in others.
>
>
Maybe everyone should live in Texas. Forget that, it would get
crowded... We already HAVE half of Mexico here... sigh.

squaredancer

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May 14, 2006, 5:38:07 AM5/14/06
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On 14.05.2006 03:37 am, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Ron Hunter
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> gwtc wrote:

think of that a different way, Ron.... Texas *IS* half of Mexico...

reg

Gudmund Areskoug

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May 14, 2006, 6:31:12 AM5/14/06
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Better still: check what e. g. underfunded schools, community centers
etc. etc. lack monitors in your area, or whether there's some computer
reuse club/society around.

I know Herbert knows a recycling address, but searching for 'recycle
computers' should give you enough hits and ideas.

The local school here has a 15 workstation lab that was originally built
on a zero budget (not counting the voluntary work hours) using the Linux
Terminal Server Project (LTSP) and donated computers - to many pupils,
the first contact with free software like Firefox. Approx. 2 tons of
clean raw materials saved in the process.

BR,
Gudmund

squaredancer

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May 14, 2006, 9:17:43 AM5/14/06
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On 14.05.2006 12:31 pm, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Gudmund
Areskoug to generate the following:? :

good idea in principle, but....
dunno about Sweden or US, but here, if the "offered technology" is more
than 5 days old, they just don't want to know!

reg

Brian J. Graham

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May 14, 2006, 9:20:46 AM5/14/06
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I know what you mean Reg! I treated myself this year to a 19" Sony flat
panel...LOVE IT!

Gudmund Areskoug

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May 15, 2006, 4:39:44 AM5/15/06
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Yeah, that's what some people (pupils included) think, until they log
in, and realize it was all just in their heads...

Apart from not even noticing they're using a whole different OS at
first, comments I've heard are "
how do I get this theme on my Mac/PC?" and (frequently) "Doesn't it have
Internet? Where's Internet on this computer?".

The last comment/question pops up when they can't find the MS Internet
Explorer icon.

But I think the 5 days rule doesn't really apply in the cases I mentioned.

BR,
Gudmund