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camb...@yahoo.com

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Aug 6, 2006, 4:31:22 PM8/6/06
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Ever since I upgraded Firefox to version 1.5.0.4, I noticed its
first-time startup (i.e. after a fresh PC reboot) speed is very slow,
about 5 seconds, in a WinXP environment using 3.2GHz Intel
hyperthreading CPU, with no background running of any program, with no
spyware, no virus or anything some people may argue, and with no FF
extension expected to load, and with FF "automatically check for
updates" disabled. Overall, no other cause other people may distract to
argue that may cause FF's slow startup other than Firefox's problem in
itself.

Subsequent Firefox startup does seem faster, after the first startup.
So it can reasonably be deducted that FF has residing in the memory (at
least partially) after the first run.

Nir

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Aug 6, 2006, 4:36:43 PM8/6/06
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Open Firefox , Goto Tools>options>Privacy.
delete Cache , history, download history.
restart Firefox.

camb...@yahoo.com

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Aug 6, 2006, 9:56:43 PM8/6/06
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Thank you, Nir. But cleaning up cache stuff is the least thing I need
to do. I am a computer expert. I clean up all traces in every session.
There's no cache leftovers. Again, the problem is in Firefox itself. I
would not have posted my opinions unless I had ruled out all other
factors.

David McRitchie

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Aug 6, 2006, 11:08:52 PM8/6/06
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<camb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> There's no cache leftovers. Again, the problem is in Firefox itself. I
> would not have posted my opinions unless I had ruled out all other
> factors.

Five seconds may seem slow to some people for others it might
be bragging about how fast you bring up Firefox initially. If Firefox
is running all the time it hardly makes any difference, but if Firefox or
other applications are not not running all the time, why bloat the system
by having it in started tasks, or preloaded if you aren't using it.

You could try
SourceForge.net: Firefox Preloader
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffpreloader/
---
David McRitchie, for my notes customizing Firefox, see
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm


Ron Hunter

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Aug 7, 2006, 3:56:19 AM8/7/06
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WinXP will prefetch FF, if there is adequate RAM in the system. This
means the first fetch of a session will be slow, but subsequent ones
will load quite fast. I suspect that most users would kill for 5 second
initial load times. On some slower machines, it takes 30-40 seconds for
loading. You might get some improvement by making sure your drive stays
defragged as this can slow the initial load a bit.

Melchert Fruitema

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Aug 7, 2006, 5:28:17 AM8/7/06
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On 07-08-2006 05:08 CET, David McRitchie composed this enchanting
statement:
> <cambist0> wrote in message

> > There's no cache leftovers. Again, the problem is in Firefox itself. I
> > would not have posted my opinions unless I had ruled out all other
> > factors.
>
> Five seconds may seem slow to some people for others it might
> be bragging about how fast you bring up Firefox initially. If Firefox
> is running all the time it hardly makes any difference, but if Firefox or
> other applications are not not running all the time, why bloat the system
> by having it in started tasks, or preloaded if you aren't using it.
>
> You could try
> SourceForge.net: Firefox Preloader
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffpreloader
>
That preload is reserving memory space, I believe. It might even load
parts of FF. But if it does, that could interfere with an (incoming)
automatic update: the FF restart may foul up. Weigh your changes.

--
Kind regards,

Melchert

MacOS 10.3.9/Firefox 1.5/Thunderbird 1.5

Nir

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Aug 7, 2006, 5:33:41 AM8/7/06
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Ron Hunter

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Aug 7, 2006, 11:22:42 AM8/7/06
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As long as the update really terminates (or you do) the preloaded FF,
you should be ok.

camb...@yahoo.com

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Aug 9, 2006, 4:18:45 PM8/9/06
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"Five seconds may seem slow to some people for others it might be
bragging about how fast you bring up Firefox initially."

- Irrelevant. My mentioning about "5 seconds" was used as a measurement
to compare the Firefox before and after the upgrade. Before the
upgrade, it was just 1 second.

"I suspect that most users would kill for 5 second initial load times.
On some slower machines, it takes 30-40 seconds for loading."

- Let's do this analogy. If you are currently using old Firefox that
takes 30-40 seconds to load, the upgraded version of Firefox will
proportionally take you at least 150-200 seconds to load. However, if
you meant the new Firefox taking 30-40 seconds to load, then the
previously version of Firefox would only took you 6-8 seconds to load.
See the difference?

"... if Firefox or other applications are not running all the time, why


bloat the system by having it in started tasks, or preloaded if you
aren't using it."

- As I mentioned I am a PC expert. There's no such issue existed as
above. My system is clean, with minimum background processes (note: not
even programs) running. Most of OS Services are removed. Most of items
in Startup registry are deleted.

"... On some slower machines, it takes 30-40 seconds for loading. You


might get some improvement by making sure your drive stays defragged as
this can slow the initial load a bit."

- No such issue in my PC. See the previously reply.

"WinXP will prefetch FF, if there is adequate RAM in the system."

- I have tons of RAM, for WinXP.


To summary again, the problem is in Firefox itself. I would not have

Moz Champion (Dan)

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Aug 9, 2006, 4:37:40 PM8/9/06
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But thats specifically on your machine. I for example have noticed NO
difference in load times between the various versions, and 5 seconds is
about my initial load time (cold boot) anyway. Re-loads are about 1
second, but those are reloads of course.

If the problem is in Firefox itself, then EVERYONE would be seeing that
'relative' slow down and we would be hearing a lot more about it. People
with slower machines would certainly notice if their Firefox was taking
five times as long to start up. Since that obviously isnt the case, it
would appear that its something in your specific setup or computer or
installation that is contributing to the problem.

Have you tried in Safe Mode? This removes extensions and themes from the
mix. Have you tried with a new bookmarks file? This used to be a
problem, tho its not as common as it used to be.

Ron Hunter

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Aug 9, 2006, 8:30:03 PM8/9/06
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Then perhaps you will explain to this novice (only 40 years in the
business), why I don't seem to have the same problem. You never
mentioned a previous load speed, just that it now took 30-40 seconds to
load. You never mentioned the speed of your machine, or your OS. I
don't read minds as the print on most of them is too small.

And an 'expert' is just a former drip under pressure, so don't get too
proud of that. Remember, even an idiot has something to teach.

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