Alternative To Mozilla Sunbird?

[tb]

Is there a _standalone_ calendar, with features close to those of
Sunbird, that is freeware and runs in Windows 7?

Note: I am aware of the Lightning add-on for Thunderbird. I am
however looking for a _standalone_ calendar that runs with MS Windows.
--
tb

[WaltS]

Not that is supported by this newsgroup, or a Mozilla product.

What did your search come up with on a search site?

[Big_Al]

tb said on 9/2/2013 11:58 AM:

I use Rainlendar2 along with Thunderbird/Lightning. But Rainlendar can
be used stand alone. I let TB do the editing and export ICS files that
then are read by Rainlendar and it does the desktop display. I only
use the event list like a windows 7 sidebar item (yet its not) and I
don't display an actual calendar, though it will. It's quite
configurable with skins and you can even edit the skins (as I have on mine).

Its free. load it for the hell of it.

[lnz]

vueminder, by all means.

Now, if Lightning looked like Vueminder, it would be the killer app (or
if VueMinder interfaced with TB).

Last I looked, Lighning was unable to display an event running over
multiple days as a single event, and VueMinder could not convert an
email message into an event.

L

[[dbes1] moz supp cal ml account]

On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:16:22 +0100
lnz <nu...@null.dev> wrote:

>vueminder, by all means.

I briefly tested VueMinder. It seemed to have so much eye candy
that the performance of the calendar on my computer suffered
noticeably. I looked for settings that would make VueMinder
less flashy and didn't notice any such options.

Does anyone know if it is possible to configure VueMinder to be
less demanding of resources?

>Last I looked, Lighning was unable to display an event running
>over multiple days as a single event

I have an event in Lightning that goes from 11:00 PM to 1:00 AM
that displays as a single event.



-- david

[lnz]

On 22/10/2013 17:32, [dbes1] moz supp cal ml account wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:16:22 +0100
> lnz <nu...@null.dev> wrote:
>
>> vueminder, by all means.
>
> I briefly tested VueMinder. It seemed to have so much eye candy
> that the performance of the calendar on my computer suffered
> noticeably. I looked for settings that would make VueMinder
> less flashy and didn't notice any such options.
>
> Does anyone know if it is possible to configure VueMinder to be
> less demanding of resources?

I'm not sure.
I don't know how it compares with lighting.

>> Last I looked, Lighning was unable to display an event running
>> over multiple days as a single event
>
> I have an event in Lightning that goes from 11:00 PM to 1:00 AM
> that displays as a single event.

Interesting. Also in Month view? and what about a single full-day event
spanning three days when other events also occur in the same days?

I need to try it again.

Lnz

[zdig1]

i am really agree with you
in this new aera of PNL we need a private and stand alone organisation
we need the back of the sunbird project

and i posted in the m.d.a.calendar some idea
like integrating GTD methode on the task module
and integrating visual eisnhower box on both clandar and task module

more details in the 2 tickets i send

[Philipp Kewisch]

Heya,

its not as easy as it might sound. Bringing back Sunbird would mean a
substantial amount of extra work per release, more support, more QA,
more of everything. Also, given there are no email features, some UI
parts need to be done differently.


Integrating other visualizations like GTD isn't just a few lines of
code. If you have some time to make a few mockups and get started with
the code, I'm happy to give some guidance.

Philipp

[tb]

On 10/22/2013 at 4:16:22 AM lnz wrote:

> On 02/09/2013 16:58, tb wrote:

> > Is there a standalone calendar, with features close to those of

> > Sunbird, that is freeware and runs in Windows 7?
> >
> > Note: I am aware of the Lightning add-on for Thunderbird. I am

> > however looking for a standalone calendar that runs with MS Windows.

>
> vueminder, by all means.
>
> Now, if Lightning looked like Vueminder, it would be the killer app
> (or if VueMinder interfaced with TB).
>
> Last I looked, Lighning was unable to display an event running over
> multiple days as a single event, and VueMinder could not convert an
> email message into an event.
>
> L

You are right! VueMinder (Lite or Pro versions) is very good. I
venture to say that it is better than Sunbird or Lightning...

--
tb

[Christoph Schmees]

ok, that's Widows now. Any recommendation for Linux?

Christoph

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[tb]

On 12/11/2013 at 3:52:06 PM Christoph Schmees wrote:

>
> ok, that's Widows now. Any recommendation for Linux?
>
> Christoph

Wine + VueMinder? :-)

Seriously, I don't know of any Linux software comparable to VueMinder.
--
tb

[zdi...@gmail.com]

i think we must sign a petition to mozilla
if fact they continue developing the clalsanar but only the module lignting
sunbird it is based on same source code
but it is more perfect because it is standalone soft

imagine if we add some GTD and eisnhower visual matrix box
and a mobile sync via google agenda
they will be a musy have

so any body want to start this petition to have sunbird 2.6.5

[zdig1]

philip i wrote some idea about integrating urgence/importance box
then the sunbird task module will class them by this new pirority ( not the old system)
and with GTD methode we can add them to agenda

---------------------------------
we can do new subject title

"sunbird the comeback : idea and suggestion "
and we will ask ppl if they want to donate and support this old mozilla project

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this was an old ticket send only for eisnhower but after this we can add GTD methode

Hello the lightning add-on is great and very practice
i suggest to add the Eisenhower-matrix in a to do list and on calendar

the base is classing our task by :
A - important & urgent (red)(900-1000)
that me mus do the most soon by our self

B - important but not urgent (dark orange) (100-900)
the we must prepare to do it

C- non important but urgent (orange)(50-99)
that we can delegated to other ppl

D- non important and not urgent (yellow)(1-50)
that we can do or no

the idea is converted on many programmer, and ios, android application
and hope any one how can do it for Thunderbird or better integrated it on calendar

the task will have color and note for example in the same color the task having big number will be classed before
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The idea will be more simplified for this first release

** On task just changing the text on priolrity booton (urgent can be or not important and important can be or not urgent )

** but the important is on the event calandar
we only have add new box called : time priority (like for email) with 4 choice (http://www.eisenhower.me/todos ) :
A Urgent - Important (red)
B non U - I
C U - non I
D non U- non I (yellow)

this box have to be under the title and above the category -->
which me that we have to create a box before the place box and on the same line

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plz you have to manage other box ( add new event) that need to be on same line like the 2 last one( the repeat and the remmeber ) it is more practice to be on the same line

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on the second step we will see if we can integrate task to do with calendar !

there is 3 big idea so plz if any one interested to do this contact me and we will think more to how to improve this nice product

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you can get some idea here

- http://www.taskcracker.com/taskcracker-for-outlook/
they integrate the eisenhower to MS outlook ( calendar)

and i find this link also helpful

- http://eisenhower.molokus.de/about
you can make this new visual style of task with this matrix
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i worte this when i was leaning about this matrix and now after reading about GTD i'm working with xls file :)) that arrange my taks but still have to open the old sunbird to put my agenda there


i ( and many other) dont need an orginzer integrated with mail box we want it a single software like MS outlook

[zdig1]

Le 11/12/2013 23:03, tb a ï¿œcrit :

look to this

https://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/mozilla_sunbird

[Philipp Kewisch]

Indeed this sounds like a substantial amount of work. I suggest you
split this up: First try to create an extension each for Lightning for
the GTD and Eisenhower methods.

I still don't agree that bringing back Sunbird is the solution. You say
its more perfect, but without constant support and continued progress
its impossible to maintain. Managing a such project with all the
requirements is a matter of a full time job, I doubt this amount of
donations will come together over a year. There are also other people
involved, release engineering for example.

What parts of Sunbird do you miss? Not having Email UI? If so, then you
might be interested in my long term vision. Lighting remains a part of
Thunderbird, but the UI is changed in a way that if only calendar
accounts exist then only calendar UI is shown. If only mail UI is
displayed, only mail UI is shown. If both features are used, then both
is shown.

When you and the supporters are done with the GTD and Eisenhower method
extensions, we can talk about integrating them. Then I'd suggest
contributing patches to Thunderbird and Lightning to move closer to the
said vision. You can also flip the order if you like.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to turn you down, I'm just
not sure you see how much work it is to manage a such project and do
releases for it. Its not just a matter of "lets do a release". There
have been many suggestions on what can be done for Sunbird, but usually
it ends there. What you need is a few developers,designers and quality
assurance experts willing to help in their free time, or enough money to
fund someone capable of all of these roles in full time.

Philipp

[Robert Holtzman]

If they discontinued sunbird because of lack of resources (programmers),
all the petition signatures in the world won't get them more. I doubt if
they will/can reallocate what they have. I suspect they're stretched
pretty thin as it is.

--
Bob Holtzman
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[zdig1]

i'm agree with you, but you seem to forget that the origin of lighting
extension was "sunbird"
if fact the end of this release is because many of ppl want to hav their
agenda with their email (like outlook)
but mozilla 'close their eyes' for the other part of ppl using sunbird
or thunderbird

am not the only one a big number of mozila fan whant the back of sunbird
in fanct with 10 email account , and many news group my thunderbird is
only for this

and i want an independant orginzer to mange my work my life etc ...

i think the coding programe is not so hard so you explain cuase as i i
said on other message lighting and sunbird are the core not need many
worker or resource only a team of 2 person to encode this on programme

the first step must be the come back of sunbird on actual lighting
version (2.6.4 )

and looking to the site they have working on 3.0 version)
so the introduction for new feature will be for next 4.x version

i think the fist step will be to introduce the priority matrix on the
taks ( previous post have more details)
then we add the GTD extension for the agenda (today, tomorow , next week
, one day/no date)

and the 'cerise sur le gateau' is to make relation betwen the priority
matrix with the agenda ( acutally i'm doing it on separate excel file
with numeric scale for priority and emergency that help me to knwo with
with task i palce first on my outlook agneda )

this final step is the most difficult evry day i have new idea some of
them must be matured and still think that i cant create other better
methode to integrate the both on same task -> and if sunbird can do this
i garantee you that all fan of pnl, gtd , perosnal orginzer will dowload
the new release

any way the most important now is the come back of sunbird :)
i tryed many other orginzer, the lotus one was very nice but the add on
of outlook make him more easy to use

PS: talking lihtening dont you think that they can make it more
ergonomic by moving or removing some box ?

[gNeandr]

On 17.12.2013 20:22, zdig1 wrote:
> i'm agree with you, but you seem to forget that the origin of lighting

.....

> ergonomic by moving or removing some box ?

Just to assist Philipp ..
Lightning is a very valuable project managed/handled by a very small
team, not to say by nearly only one person.
That said Philipp's suggestion for a further development plan and offer
for help is a very honorable offer.
If you ever have done a software dev not only for your own, but released
a project for a broad user space you know the difference between a
brilliant idea / solution and it's real life.
It's not only the solution idea but also the realization and support and
more ... please read over Philipp's comment about this.

G�nter