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Regnard Raquedan
Jun 8, 2015, 1:11:33 PM6/8/15
to Mozilla Reps - General Discussion mailing list, reps-m...@lists.mozilla.org, Mozilla Reps - Council mailing list
Hello folks,
I'm sharing my thoughts on this at Discourse:
https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/time-to-ban-dicky-moe-type-emails/2270/1
TLDR: I'm calling for a ban on anonymous emails in mailing list-- let's not
subject the rest of the community to local pettiness and personal attacks.
What I suggest is a safe space for anonymous complaints.
On Monday, June 8, 2015, George Roter <gro...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I have started a thread on Discourse with my reaction to this email. I hope
> you'll join me in a conversation there:
>
> https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/building-the-mozilla-we-want-my-response-to-the-recent-anonymous-emails/2264
>
> Best,
> George
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Dicky Moe <dick...@yandex.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Caution: Read this mail if you think the recent developments within
> > Mozilla doesn't feel right and in a way is jeopardizing the mission. If
> you
> > are not at all feeling anything, then this is not the mail for you. And
> > this mail should not be considered as some personal revenge or anything,
> > but it's time we look back and correct ourselves.
> >
> >
> > 1 . In recent months we have seen lots of passionate staffs and
> mozillians
> > leaving the mission, Mozilla has never commented on this trend. Goodbye
> > message from the ones who left reveal the unhappy events that happened
> with
> > them and also appears to hide some messages from public.
> >
> > Doesn't the mozillians who work almost similar to the staffs in driving
> > the mission want to know and has the right to know..?
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 2. Sponsored tiles. Though the passionate mission supporters didn’t bring
> > a positive response to the idea from the start, still Mozilla proceeded
> > with it using user's browsing history, bookmark and location.
> >
> > Seriously, has someone lost mind introducing stuffs like this? Have we
> > become revenue based rather than mission drivers? We request the
> concerned
> > team to look why we are moving away from the mission. Using third party
> > services compromising privacy, and mission has become a common hobby for
> us.
> > Just one question if we are a mission shouldn't we use duckduckgo or
> > similar service that doesn't track users as default search partner
> instead
> > of ones that track.
> >
> > Revenue generations is accepted but not by jeopardizing the mission we
> > promised to follow.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 3. Mozilla has always been a volunteer depended organization, and the
> > efforts to recognize the volunteers are being worked on all time, that is
> > fine and the efforts are appreciable but the key flaw in this system is
> > with recognizing new contributors.
> >
> > The recognition provided to new contributors don’t reach them because
> > their works reach the project which they work on proxied by some existing
> > contributors. ( a few explicitly mention and report the wrong
> recognition,
> > but a few do consider it as advantage.)
> >
> > It also seems like the recognition plan didn’t include or even thought
> > about the fact recognition differs for each individual is different.
> >
> > Disbanding Community Building Team (CBT) has made a big hole in volunteer
> > participation. Now we have participation team, which wholly consists of
> > staffs and contractors and handpicked volunteers who gets to make key
> > decisions, whatever.
> >
> > This is not all good. Are we moving from closed to being super closed? We
> > all wanted to bring back CBT.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 4. We strongly urge Mozilla Reps leadership to look into issues like this
> > because you guys get hate day by day. A fine example is your election.
> Less
> > than 50% polled for election, we guess Mozilla Reps leadership has to
> > evaluate themselves. We dare Mozilla Reps leadership to take an open poll
> > about your programme and put the results public and then talk. This is
> for
> > all those who have been boasting and making dictatorial decision based
> on
> > unnecessary power given to the Reps leadership. These leadership is
> > selected by less than half of the reps community (i.e. less than 50%
> polled
> > for elections) and they take all the community decisions. Who even gave
> > unlimited powers to some 9 people who claim themselves Council. If you
> mess
> > with them, then you are done and most of your requests get rejected. And
> > this is Mozilla Reps leadership for you.
> >
> > And Please recognize the contributors. Its like a bunch of volunteers is
> > using some others contributions and getting credit in their name. Most of
> > the hardworking mozillians are not getting recognized. Many staffs and
> > volunteers are playing petty politics. Yeah, well, some crude people like
> > this are ending up as the staffs at Mozilla.
> >
> > We do find a few meetings ( Online and offline ) being held by the reps
> > council, but so far no outcomes other than the a few pics of food,
> > beverage, airports from the attendees along with a worthless blog report
> > with a list of todo works were seen.?
> >
> > All concerned persons ask yourself whether you have completed or did any
> > tasks that you informed to do in previous meetings.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > This is a small section about Indian Community and some general issues
> > that concern everyone. This has been added in response to the couple of
> > mails and requests from some of the Indian volunteers.
> >
> > We were quite sad that the allegations were just cornered to Gauthamraj
> > alone by Watson an anonymous mail man just like us who have shooted a
> mail
> > to the community mailing list last week. Actually there is a bigger
> > dictatorial group working within the Mozilla India community.
> >
> > This is a small group who always wanted control everything.
> >
> > 1. Vineel - who himself calls head of community, doesn't come out of the
> > position after announcing himself about the resignation, proxy other’s
> work
> > get credits so on….
> >
> > Has there been any community who have had lead for than four or five
> > years. Think. Every one respects all the stuff Vineel has done so far and
> > he will do but this monopoly and not sticking to your own voice isn’t a
> > great thing. Can someone explain who assigned this the leadership task?
> >
> > 2. Soumya Deb - Has a group of good mentees under who are good in
> > development. They do the work, and Mr. Deb claims the credits and boss
> > around in media. This is a similar trait shown by most people we
> mentioned
> > above and below. Someone does the work boasts to staffs and social media
> as
> > theirs. Job well done.
> >
> > We wonder how you got invited to MozFest last year, like this only? Or
> > care to explain. Because we haven't seen a single Webmaker activity by
> you
> > and most deserved ones were left here without invitation.
> >
> > @council are you finished making the two line reason why those mozillan’s
> > were selected for Mozfest..?
> >
> > 3. Galaxy - We still don't know what this guy is doing in the Mozilla
> > community. But keeps getting invited everywhere and travel around the
> > world. People say he is the hotel booking and swag guy, FSA Executive
> board
> > member and even engagement (what a joke). Woah, we think that's a lot
> work
> > and that's what the Mozilla’s primary concern hotel booking and swag.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > In Mozilla India if you happen to be a girl and seem to have a good
> > relation with any of guys dictating the Community you automatically seem
> to
> > receive the recognition for doing nothing. The Womoz program catalyzes
> this
> > process. ( Reverse hasn’t worked so far )
> >
> > Those related with Indian community will know what is a Reps Budget is.
> If
> > you want budget for any of the project you have planned plan with any of
> > these dictators in mind, file the budget execute the project and be ready
> > to hand over the works and recognition to their name. If not try to
> forget
> > about the project or let it stay on paper.
> >
> > If you don't believe us just go through the budgets filed by these guys,
> > and analyse the ease and speed at which these guys gets budget approved
> > without any questions or anything. We still wonder why Mozilla Community
> > works like this favoring few people and even paying funds to these guys
> in
> > a dark. From what we have heard about the Mozilla Space in Bangalore is
> > spending tons of money and wasting and not spending proper funds
> community
> > who badly need it. Many mozillians and Reps have suffered enough
> hardships
> > by getting budget rejected and these guys just screw all with one budget
> > comment “Your budget is rejected”. Shame on you guys its really shame
> that
> > you guys are enjoying the years of hardships by many hardcore Mozillians.
> >
> > Another recent bullshit was the mentor selection. We don’t want to reveal
> > their names, lets have a look at incident without names and we are sure
> > guessing names won’t be a hard work for any one.
> >
> > a couple of the newly selected mentors were not known to work with any
> > Mozilla projects after the Summit 2013, have happened to fulfill the
> > requirements to be a reps mentor. Still after the selection they are
> > nowhere to be seen.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > THE FIREFOX OS
> >
> > And again we ask why did Firefox OS fail in India and all over the world.
> > This is another place where only a small group of people were notified
> > about all the plannings and only small group went around and did all the
> > activities. Wasting money is one of the prime qualities of Mozilla India
> > leadership. Ahh, not to mention the staffs are just same. We saw that the
> > Firefox OS research was done Rajasthan( state in india ) and the best
> part
> > is the phone wasn’t released there.
> >
> > Mozillians didn't even know there was a research going on there. Good job
> > people. We are requesting to show us the outcomes of big events like
> > MozCamp India beta 2014, Mozilla Task Force Meetup 2015 where 10000s of
> > dollars were spent. If you have nothing to say about that then you have
> no
> > right on crossing the fellow Reps and rejecting the budget when they were
> > having really put 100% hardship over an event.
> >
> > We believe that some of the Mozilla employees are also favoring this
> > monopoly leadership in India or is it that these self assigned leaders
> > brainwashing these employees. Nevertheless the Mozilla leadership is
> surely
> > unaware of all the ground zero happenings. This is not just a problem in
> > India, but mostly in Asian regions the one community that's so close to
> the
> > happenings in India is Mozilla Bangladesh.
> >
> > We hope the concerned Mozilla employees will have a look at this
> seriously
> > before this turns to some real madness.
> >
> > We wonder why is the community and organization becoming more closed.
> > Major decisions proceeding without prior informing to volunteers and
> > closing the issues raised with a sorry. Isn't it this a volunteer driven
> > community.?
> >
> > We wish the community to be open. We had enough rebels and people going
> on
> > from an organization we don't want this to continue because we still have
> > faith in the mission. Hope everything works out.
> >
> > Regards
> > Fellow Mozillian
> >
> >
> >
> > Watson Vinro, thank you for supporting against the injustices caused.
> > NOTE: We are not related to Watson Vinro or the team behind Watson Vinro.
> > _______________________________________________
> > reps-general mailing list
> > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org <javascript:;>
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> > https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SOPs/Mailing_List_Policy
> >
>
>
>
> --
> George Roter
> Participation Sherpa
>
> irc: geroter | skype: geroter
> Cell - Canada: 416.670.2401
> Cell - USA: 650.485.0079
> <650%20308%208443>
> _______________________________________________
> reps-general mailing list
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org <javascript:;>
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SOPs/Mailing_List_Policy
>
--
*Regnard Raquedan, MBA, MSc.*
http://weboplex.com
@regnard <https://twitter.com/regnard>
I'm sharing my thoughts on this at Discourse:
https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/time-to-ban-dicky-moe-type-emails/2270/1
TLDR: I'm calling for a ban on anonymous emails in mailing list-- let's not
subject the rest of the community to local pettiness and personal attacks.
What I suggest is a safe space for anonymous complaints.
On Monday, June 8, 2015, George Roter <gro...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I have started a thread on Discourse with my reaction to this email. I hope
> you'll join me in a conversation there:
>
> https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/building-the-mozilla-we-want-my-response-to-the-recent-anonymous-emails/2264
>
> Best,
> George
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Dicky Moe <dick...@yandex.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Caution: Read this mail if you think the recent developments within
> > Mozilla doesn't feel right and in a way is jeopardizing the mission. If
> you
> > are not at all feeling anything, then this is not the mail for you. And
> > this mail should not be considered as some personal revenge or anything,
> > but it's time we look back and correct ourselves.
> >
> >
> > 1 . In recent months we have seen lots of passionate staffs and
> mozillians
> > leaving the mission, Mozilla has never commented on this trend. Goodbye
> > message from the ones who left reveal the unhappy events that happened
> with
> > them and also appears to hide some messages from public.
> >
> > Doesn't the mozillians who work almost similar to the staffs in driving
> > the mission want to know and has the right to know..?
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 2. Sponsored tiles. Though the passionate mission supporters didn’t bring
> > a positive response to the idea from the start, still Mozilla proceeded
> > with it using user's browsing history, bookmark and location.
> >
> > Seriously, has someone lost mind introducing stuffs like this? Have we
> > become revenue based rather than mission drivers? We request the
> concerned
> > team to look why we are moving away from the mission. Using third party
> > services compromising privacy, and mission has become a common hobby for
> us.
> > Just one question if we are a mission shouldn't we use duckduckgo or
> > similar service that doesn't track users as default search partner
> instead
> > of ones that track.
> >
> > Revenue generations is accepted but not by jeopardizing the mission we
> > promised to follow.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 3. Mozilla has always been a volunteer depended organization, and the
> > efforts to recognize the volunteers are being worked on all time, that is
> > fine and the efforts are appreciable but the key flaw in this system is
> > with recognizing new contributors.
> >
> > The recognition provided to new contributors don’t reach them because
> > their works reach the project which they work on proxied by some existing
> > contributors. ( a few explicitly mention and report the wrong
> recognition,
> > but a few do consider it as advantage.)
> >
> > It also seems like the recognition plan didn’t include or even thought
> > about the fact recognition differs for each individual is different.
> >
> > Disbanding Community Building Team (CBT) has made a big hole in volunteer
> > participation. Now we have participation team, which wholly consists of
> > staffs and contractors and handpicked volunteers who gets to make key
> > decisions, whatever.
> >
> > This is not all good. Are we moving from closed to being super closed? We
> > all wanted to bring back CBT.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 4. We strongly urge Mozilla Reps leadership to look into issues like this
> > because you guys get hate day by day. A fine example is your election.
> Less
> > than 50% polled for election, we guess Mozilla Reps leadership has to
> > evaluate themselves. We dare Mozilla Reps leadership to take an open poll
> > about your programme and put the results public and then talk. This is
> for
> > all those who have been boasting and making dictatorial decision based
> on
> > unnecessary power given to the Reps leadership. These leadership is
> > selected by less than half of the reps community (i.e. less than 50%
> polled
> > for elections) and they take all the community decisions. Who even gave
> > unlimited powers to some 9 people who claim themselves Council. If you
> mess
> > with them, then you are done and most of your requests get rejected. And
> > this is Mozilla Reps leadership for you.
> >
> > And Please recognize the contributors. Its like a bunch of volunteers is
> > using some others contributions and getting credit in their name. Most of
> > the hardworking mozillians are not getting recognized. Many staffs and
> > volunteers are playing petty politics. Yeah, well, some crude people like
> > this are ending up as the staffs at Mozilla.
> >
> > We do find a few meetings ( Online and offline ) being held by the reps
> > council, but so far no outcomes other than the a few pics of food,
> > beverage, airports from the attendees along with a worthless blog report
> > with a list of todo works were seen.?
> >
> > All concerned persons ask yourself whether you have completed or did any
> > tasks that you informed to do in previous meetings.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > This is a small section about Indian Community and some general issues
> > that concern everyone. This has been added in response to the couple of
> > mails and requests from some of the Indian volunteers.
> >
> > We were quite sad that the allegations were just cornered to Gauthamraj
> > alone by Watson an anonymous mail man just like us who have shooted a
> > to the community mailing list last week. Actually there is a bigger
> > dictatorial group working within the Mozilla India community.
> >
> > This is a small group who always wanted control everything.
> >
> > 1. Vineel - who himself calls head of community, doesn't come out of the
> > position after announcing himself about the resignation, proxy other’s
> work
> > get credits so on….
> >
> > Has there been any community who have had lead for than four or five
> > years. Think. Every one respects all the stuff Vineel has done so far and
> > he will do but this monopoly and not sticking to your own voice isn’t a
> > great thing. Can someone explain who assigned this the leadership task?
> >
> > 2. Soumya Deb - Has a group of good mentees under who are good in
> > development. They do the work, and Mr. Deb claims the credits and boss
> > around in media. This is a similar trait shown by most people we
> mentioned
> > above and below. Someone does the work boasts to staffs and social media
> as
> > theirs. Job well done.
> >
> > We wonder how you got invited to MozFest last year, like this only? Or
> > care to explain. Because we haven't seen a single Webmaker activity by
> you
> > and most deserved ones were left here without invitation.
> >
> > @council are you finished making the two line reason why those mozillan’s
> > were selected for Mozfest..?
> >
> > 3. Galaxy - We still don't know what this guy is doing in the Mozilla
> > community. But keeps getting invited everywhere and travel around the
> > world. People say he is the hotel booking and swag guy, FSA Executive
> board
> > member and even engagement (what a joke). Woah, we think that's a lot
> work
> > and that's what the Mozilla’s primary concern hotel booking and swag.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > In Mozilla India if you happen to be a girl and seem to have a good
> > relation with any of guys dictating the Community you automatically seem
> to
> > receive the recognition for doing nothing. The Womoz program catalyzes
> this
> > process. ( Reverse hasn’t worked so far )
> >
> > Those related with Indian community will know what is a Reps Budget is.
> If
> > you want budget for any of the project you have planned plan with any of
> > these dictators in mind, file the budget execute the project and be ready
> > to hand over the works and recognition to their name. If not try to
> forget
> > about the project or let it stay on paper.
> >
> > If you don't believe us just go through the budgets filed by these guys,
> > and analyse the ease and speed at which these guys gets budget approved
> > without any questions or anything. We still wonder why Mozilla Community
> > works like this favoring few people and even paying funds to these guys
> in
> > a dark. From what we have heard about the Mozilla Space in Bangalore is
> > spending tons of money and wasting and not spending proper funds
> community
> > who badly need it. Many mozillians and Reps have suffered enough
> hardships
> > by getting budget rejected and these guys just screw all with one budget
> > comment “Your budget is rejected”. Shame on you guys its really shame
> that
> > you guys are enjoying the years of hardships by many hardcore Mozillians.
> >
> > Another recent bullshit was the mentor selection. We don’t want to reveal
> > their names, lets have a look at incident without names and we are sure
> > guessing names won’t be a hard work for any one.
> >
> > a couple of the newly selected mentors were not known to work with any
> > Mozilla projects after the Summit 2013, have happened to fulfill the
> > requirements to be a reps mentor. Still after the selection they are
> > nowhere to be seen.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > THE FIREFOX OS
> >
> > And again we ask why did Firefox OS fail in India and all over the world.
> > This is another place where only a small group of people were notified
> > about all the plannings and only small group went around and did all the
> > activities. Wasting money is one of the prime qualities of Mozilla India
> > leadership. Ahh, not to mention the staffs are just same. We saw that the
> > Firefox OS research was done Rajasthan( state in india ) and the best
> part
> > is the phone wasn’t released there.
> >
> > Mozillians didn't even know there was a research going on there. Good job
> > people. We are requesting to show us the outcomes of big events like
> > MozCamp India beta 2014, Mozilla Task Force Meetup 2015 where 10000s of
> > dollars were spent. If you have nothing to say about that then you have
> no
> > right on crossing the fellow Reps and rejecting the budget when they were
> > having really put 100% hardship over an event.
> >
> > We believe that some of the Mozilla employees are also favoring this
> > monopoly leadership in India or is it that these self assigned leaders
> > brainwashing these employees. Nevertheless the Mozilla leadership is
> surely
> > unaware of all the ground zero happenings. This is not just a problem in
> > India, but mostly in Asian regions the one community that's so close to
> the
> > happenings in India is Mozilla Bangladesh.
> >
> > We hope the concerned Mozilla employees will have a look at this
> seriously
> > before this turns to some real madness.
> >
> > We wonder why is the community and organization becoming more closed.
> > Major decisions proceeding without prior informing to volunteers and
> > closing the issues raised with a sorry. Isn't it this a volunteer driven
> > community.?
> >
> > We wish the community to be open. We had enough rebels and people going
> on
> > from an organization we don't want this to continue because we still have
> > faith in the mission. Hope everything works out.
> >
> > Regards
> > Fellow Mozillian
> >
> >
> >
> > Watson Vinro, thank you for supporting against the injustices caused.
> > NOTE: We are not related to Watson Vinro or the team behind Watson Vinro.
> > _______________________________________________
> > reps-general mailing list
> > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org <javascript:;>
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> > https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SOPs/Mailing_List_Policy
> >
>
>
>
> --
> George Roter
> Participation Sherpa
>
> irc: geroter | skype: geroter
> Cell - Canada: 416.670.2401
> Cell - USA: 650.485.0079
> <650%20308%208443>
> _______________________________________________
> reps-general mailing list
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org <javascript:;>
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SOPs/Mailing_List_Policy
>
--
*Regnard Raquedan, MBA, MSc.*
http://weboplex.com
@regnard <https://twitter.com/regnard>
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