On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 08:36 -0800,
sma...@mozilla.com wrote:
> Trying to find the right balance for
> transparency and choice within the constraints of email delivery is
> something we've been working on for a while, and I know we've still got
> some issues to work out, so I appreciate your asking the questions.
>
> Starting with the problem you mentioned in the bug, it seems to have
> been caused by the integration of our email system with the Mozillians
> Phonebook. Winston and Jess are working to fix it. You (and all
> Mozillians) should receive an email later this week to help explain
> what you can do to make sure your preferences are set correctly.
I would like to ask that this isn't just about Mozillians. The scope is
all recipients of any Mozilla newsletter.
I just went to
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/newsletter/
and subscribed using a new email address.
I've chosen "text" format. I immediately received a welcome email, and
all the links in the email were tracking links!
While I appreciate your responses and your attempt to fix the reported
issues, I'd appreciate a commitment to avoid such issues in the default
scenario. If things go wrong, the systems should operate in the "don't
track" mode by default. And apparently I just found another place where
it doesn't work right yet. Oops?
> Re: Question: How do users individually benefit from being email
> tracked?
>
> I think the benefit to users is really just deliverability - being able
> to receive the newsletter you requested in your inbox. I know that
> doesn't sound like a very exciting benefit, but the reason behind it is
> that Internet service providers use open and click as a factor to
> decide how they deliver an email.
Could you please point us to a document where an ISP explains this in
more detail?
> From what I understand, if we don't
> remove the non-responders (those who haven’t opened or clicked an email
> in six months or more), all of our emails have a higher chance of going
> into the spam filter, or not being delivered at all (our IP address and
> sender information can be blocked at the domain level).
Here is something that I don't understand:
If an email doesn't reach the recipient, email "bounces". The computer
sending the original message will get an automatic reply from the
destination email server, informing the sender that delivery wasn't
possible.
Why isn't that sufficient to identify and remove nonworking email
addresses?
I'm surprised, but it sounds like you're saying, Mozilla is required to
"prove" to ISPs that newsletter recipients are indeed actively clicking
links. How does that technically work? Are you simply required to
produce a high level statistical summary with some numbers? Or does your
ISP require you that you give them access to your logs?
> The engagement (marketing) team uses individual open and click data to
> remove non-responders, so that those who want the email have a better
> chance of getting it. Offering the text only option actually increases
> the delivery risk (because we can't do the tracking and cleansing), but
> we offer it because we want to offer the choice of not being tracked.
Trying to be constructive, instead of using tracking links, why don't
you simply add a boilerplate to the bottom of each email?
It could say:
"We are required to remove all newsletters subscribers who haven't
reconfirmed their interest within the previous 6 months. Please click
here to open the page that shows your newsletter preferences, at least
once in 6 months. That will ensure you will continue to be subscribed.
[tracking link here]
If you ever believe you got unsubscribed, feel free to resubscribe using
the following link at any time.
[plaintext link, so cautious people can see this one is really a mozilla
link, not spam]
> Re: Questions: Does Mozilla clearly explain that you'll be tracked by
> email at the time of subscribing, if using the defaults? Do users have
> a real choice, if we are vague and require them to opt out of html?
>
> We don't clearly explain it and I think we all agree that we should.
> Our plan is to add a "more info" link to our subscription pages so that
> those who are interested can read about the tradeoffs between html and
> text. To my knowledge, text vs. html is the best we can do to offer
> real choice in the current environment.
I'd appreciate that.
> I think our other option would
> be to put resources towards coming up with something new.
Maybe my suggestion above turns out to be simple to do? Only one of the
links would have to be a tracking link (the one to go to the newsletter
settings), and users are being offered the full choice and control of
what they want to do, without tracking which other links they click.
> Re: Question: What data are we collecting? Where do we document that?
>
> From talking with Winston and Jess, we collect opens, clicks, bounces
> and unsubscribes. I don’t think that’s as well documented as it should
> be either. To fix that, we're updating the online privacy policy (see
> draft below) and would like to add the "more info" page I mentioned
> above.
How does Mozilla actually store these results? Do you have records,
where for each email address, you store the most recent date and time
when a user clicked one of the tracking links?
Do you also store IP addresses of users? If you do, I'd suggest that you
please change your system to immediately delete the IP addresses of
clicks.
> Here's the draft privacy policy text:
>
> Our HTML formatted emails may use clear GIFs (also known as web beacons
> or pixels) to compile information about your interaction with the email
> and the effectiveness of our campaigns, such as whether you opened the
> email. You can choose not to allow web beacons by selecting text only
> emails.
I think that text is incomplete. Some users may use an email client that
doesn't show remote images by default. (Thunderbird is one such client.)
But even if users have disabled remote images, which effectively
disables your web beacons, they are still being tracked whenever they
click a link. In my opinion that tracking mechanism should also be made
clear. In other words, if you want a simple text, you could simply say
that recipients will be tracked, unless they chose the text format.
Thanks and Regards
Kai