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Basil Hashem

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Apr 16, 2008, 1:48:59 AM4/16/08
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Last week, Mitchell outlined a series of privacy principles for the
Mozilla organization in the governance newsgroup and mail list.
See http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/browse_thread/thread/8ffaff08a6988172

She proposed we use a web analytics tool from Omniture to help us
understand how users interact with our web properties. After
considering feedback and any commentary, we've updated the privacy
policy to support the use of this web analytics tool. The new policy
conforms to the commitments laid out in the earlier discussion.
Absent any major objections, we plan to update the policy as proposed
and implement the web analytics tool immediately thereafter.

The current policy (dated Dec 2007) appears at
http://www.mozilla.com/privacy-policy.html

The revised policy (dated Apr 2008) and related pages appear at:
http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-privacy-policy.html
(Privacy Policy)
http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-opt-out.html (Opt Out
Procedures)
http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-third-party.html (Third-
Party Providers)

An HTML diff between the Dec 2007 and the proposed April 2008 version
appears at
http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/pp-dec07vsapr08.html

A PDF diff between the Dec 2007 and the proposed April 2008 version
appears at
http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/PP-Dec07vsApr08.pdf

Please reply to this thread with any questions or concerns.

Thanks.
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Basil Hashem
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Luis Villa

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Apr 16, 2008, 10:21:03 AM4/16/08
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It would be helpful (for those of us who participated in the February
discussion) if there were a redline from the February draft as well.
The February draft appears to have vanished from your webspace
altogether, unfortunately.

Luis

On Apr 16, 1:48 am, Basil Hashem <ba...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Last week, Mitchell outlined a series of privacy principles for the  
> Mozilla organization in the governance newsgroup and mail list.

> Seehttp://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/browse_thread/threa...


>
> She proposed we use a web analytics tool from Omniture to help us  
> understand how users interact with our web properties. After  
> considering feedback and any commentary, we've updated the privacy  
> policy to support the use of this web analytics tool. The new policy  
> conforms to the commitments laid out in the earlier discussion.  
> Absent any major objections, we plan to update the policy as proposed  
> and implement the web analytics tool immediately thereafter.
>

> The current policy (dated Dec 2007) appears athttp://www.mozilla.com/privacy-policy.html


>
> The revised policy (dated Apr 2008) and related pages appear at:http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-privacy-policy.html 
> (Privacy Policy)http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-opt-out.html(Opt Out  
> Procedures)http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-third-party.html(Third-
> Party Providers)
>
> An HTML diff between the Dec 2007 and the proposed April 2008 version  

> appears athttp://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/pp-dec07vsapr08.html


>
> A PDF diff between the Dec 2007 and the proposed April 2008 version  

> appears athttp://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/PP-Dec07vsApr08.pdf

Basil Hashem

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Apr 16, 2008, 3:58:21 PM4/16/08
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Luis,

I've posted a PDF Diff of Feb08's draft vs. Apr08 current proposal @
http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/PP-Feb08vsApr08.pdf

Thanks,

-Basil

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Luis Villa

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Apr 16, 2008, 4:19:48 PM4/16/08
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Basil Hashem <ba...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Luis,
>
> I've posted a PDF Diff of Feb08's draft vs. Apr08 current proposal @
> http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/PP-Feb08vsApr08.pdf

Thanks, Basil. I generally strongly agree with Mitchell's earlier
comments, so while I haven't had a chance to review this new document,
I'm optimistic it'll hit the right notes, and I'm very pleased at the
fairly transparent and open process that has allowed any shmuck (like
me ;) to comment and help refine it.

Luis

Axel Hecht

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Apr 16, 2008, 6:59:44 PM4/16/08
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Basil Hashem wrote:
> Last week, Mitchell outlined a series of privacy principles for the
> Mozilla organization in the governance newsgroup and mail list.
> See
> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/browse_thread/thread/8ffaff08a6988172
>
>
> She proposed we use a web analytics tool from Omniture to help us
> understand how users interact with our web properties. After considering
> feedback and any commentary, we've updated the privacy policy to support
> the use of this web analytics tool. The new policy conforms to the
> commitments laid out in the earlier discussion. Absent any major
> objections, we plan to update the policy as proposed and implement the
> web analytics tool immediately thereafter.
>
> The current policy (dated Dec 2007) appears at
> http://www.mozilla.com/privacy-policy.html
>
> The revised policy (dated Apr 2008) and related pages appear at:
> http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-privacy-policy.html
> (Privacy Policy)
> http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-opt-out.html (Opt Out
> Procedures)
> http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/LOCAL-third-party.html
> (Third-Party Providers)

>
> An HTML diff between the Dec 2007 and the proposed April 2008 version
> appears at
> http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/pp-dec07vsapr08.html
>
> A PDF diff between the Dec 2007 and the proposed April 2008 version
> appears at
> http://people.mozilla.com/~basil/privacy/PP-Dec07vsApr08.pdf
>
> Please reply to this thread with any questions or concerns.
>

I'm concern-free, just adding a note to disturb the silence, and as I
commented on the initial version, too.

There is one nit:

"The term usually used to describe this is "web analytics" and the
cookies and clear gifs are the tools by which a company collects this
web analytics data."

.. a company .. could be something more generic.

Other than that it came across crisp and to-the-point.

Thanks

Axel

Luis Villa

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Apr 16, 2008, 10:41:56 PM4/16/08
to Basil Hashem, gover...@lists.mozilla.org

Meta-comment:
I believe that co-ment.net is a useful tool for this sort of exercise.
I'd recommend that Mozilla look into it for these sorts of
document-related discussions in the future. (Think Google Docs, but
more discussion/annotation-centric, and also Free Software.)

One substantive comment:

"Mozilla has agreements with its third party service providers that
they will not share this information with others or use the
information for purposes other than to maintain the services they
provide to Mozilla."

should that also have "and we will enter into similar agreements with
any new third party service providers with whom we might share data in
the future." ? (Or something to that effect.)

Minor style/editing comments:

"Mozilla permits users to freely update and correct their
personally-identifying information as maintained by Mozilla."

might read better as

"Mozilla permits users to freely update and correct
personally-identifying information of theirs that is maintained by
Mozilla."

"To do so, users need only look for the links and other tools
available on Mozilla's Web sites or contact Mozilla by email."

might read better as

"To do so, users should look for links or contact information
available on whichever Mozilla Web sites store the relevant
information. E.g., Bugzilla users should go to
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=account"

"The basic idea is to gather aggregate data..."

might read better as

"Our goal is to gather aggregate data..." or perhaps "Our goal - and
the only way we will use this information - is to gather aggregate
data...", making the "Mozilla will use..." sentence redundant.

"Mozilla does this by using either its own internal analytics software
or Mozilla sends
this information to a third-party service provider to help Mozilla
analyze this data."

reads better as

"Mozilla does this by using either its own internal analytics software
or by sending
this information to a third-party service provider which helps Mozilla
analyze this data."

Hope this is helpful-
Luis

hand...@mozilla.com

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Apr 17, 2008, 5:27:30 PM4/17/08
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On Apr 16, 7:41 pm, "Luis Villa" <luis.vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> information. E.g., Bugzilla users should go tohttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=account"

>
> "The basic idea is to gather aggregate data..."
>
> might read better as
>
> "Our goal is to gather aggregate data..." or perhaps "Our goal - and
> the only way we will use this information - is to gather aggregate
> data...", making the "Mozilla will use..." sentence redundant.
>

> "Mozilla does this by using either its own internal analytics software
> or Mozilla sends
> this information to a third-party service provider to help Mozilla
> analyze this data."
>
> reads better as
>
> "Mozilla does this by using either its own internal analytics software
> or by sending
> this information to a third-party service provider which helps Mozilla
> analyze this data."
>
> Hope this is helpful-
> Luis

Luis/Alec,

Thanks for your review and comments. We've incorporated many of the
stylistic comments. With respect to the proposal to add "and we will


enter into similar agreements with any new third party service
providers with whom we might share data in the future." ? (Or

something to that effect.)" we have not added this language. I don't
think its necessary in this case because the policy governs what we
do, until changed otherwise. Thus, if we entered into a different
relationship that was inconsistent with the policy, we would have to
first change the policy and go through a review and comment process.
Basil is posting a revised version shortly that includes the
revisions. We've also included a sentence that links to a page that
will identify specifically which Mozilla web properties use the web
analytics tool.

Harvey

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