Still Unable to Install Thunderbird 60.0

[David E. Ross]

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64

I have tried downloading the 32-bit Thunderbird 60.0 from both
<https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-60.0-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US>
and also
<https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/60.0/win32/en-US/Thunderbird%20Setup%2060.0.exe>.
The SHA512 hash from
<https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/60.0/SHA512SUMS> for
[win32/en-US/Thunderbird Setup 60.0.exe] indicates they are identical.

When I try to install Thunderbird 60.0, I get an error popup that
indicates I do not have any variety of Windows 7. Other software on my
PC confirm that I do indeed have Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64.

For the popup and further details, see bug #1481880 at
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1481880>.

Can anyone help me?

Also, I am still unable to get this very on-topic message to appear in
the mozilla.support.thunderbird newsgroup. I sent it an hour and 20
minutes ago, but it is still not there. I posted an earlier message to
mozilla.support.thunderbird about this same problem two weeks ago, but
it never appeared.

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[Balaco ocalaB]

Em 22-08-2018 19:56, David E. Ross escreveu:
> Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
>
> I have tried downloading the 32-bit Thunderbird 60.0 from both
> <https://download.mozilla.org/?product=thunderbird-60.0-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US>
> and also
> <https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/60.0/win32/en-US/Thunderbird%20Setup%2060.0.exe>.
> The SHA512 hash from
> <https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/60.0/SHA512SUMS> for
> [win32/en-US/Thunderbird Setup 60.0.exe] indicates they are identical.
>
> When I try to install Thunderbird 60.0, I get an error popup that
> indicates I do not have any variety of Windows 7. Other software on my
> PC confirm that I do indeed have Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64.
>
> For the popup and further details, see bug #1481880 at
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1481880>.
>
> Can anyone help me?
>
> Also, I am still unable to get this very on-topic message to appear in
> the mozilla.support.thunderbird newsgroup. I sent it an hour and 20
> minutes ago, but it is still not there. I posted an earlier message to
> mozilla.support.thunderbird about this same problem two weeks ago, but
> it never appeared.
>

LOL... move away for Mozilla. Or away from Windows [any], at most. I
have a few problems with Thunderbird and Firefox in Debian, but they are
not even close to the extreme situation you report for the version I
will never use of TB.


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[GerardJan]

😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

> On 23/08/2018 00:06, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> LOL... move away for Mozilla. Or away from Windows [any], at most. I have a
>> few problems with Thunderbird and Firefox in Debian, but they are not even
>> close to the extreme situation you report for the version I will never use of TB.
>>
>>
>

> How can he say it's a bug when he hasn't tried anything on that machine.  I've
> just posted a message on TB but I doubt if he's ever going to act on it; or even
> bother to read it.  He's one of those guys who knows it all and no wonder his
> posts takes forever to appear on FF or TB newsgroups.  He said 4 hours but I
> would say 8 hours or even 12 hours.
>
> I think he's just wasting everybody's time including part-time developers who
> have other work to attend rather than spending time on something that's not a
> bug at all.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is
> higher than any previous version of windows.

rubbish, use Fedora (Red Hat)
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[Dave Royal]

"David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> Wrote in message:

>
> Also, I am still unable to get this very on-topic message to appear in
> the mozilla.support.thunderbird newsgroup.

I see from the bug you resolved it.

Did your posts to m.s.thunderbird ever appear? (I don't see any
new threads on this mobile, as I mentioned elsewhere.)

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[David E. Ross]

On 8/22/2018 11:20 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
> "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Also, I am still unable to get this very on-topic message to appear in
>> the mozilla.support.thunderbird newsgroup.
>
> I see from the bug you resolved it.
>
> Did your posts to m.s.thunderbird ever appear? (I don't see any
> new threads on this mobile, as I mentioned elsewhere.)
>

Yes, I solved the problem. But then I discovered that too many of my
extensions are broken in Thunderbird 60.0. I have thus reverted to
Thunderbird 52.9.1.

And yes, my posts finally appeared in mozilla.support.thunderbird.
Because of moderation delay of someone else's post, a recommendation for
fixing my problem appeared about 8 hours after I posted that my problem
was resolved.

[Balaco ocalaB]

Em 23-08-2018 12:20, David E. Ross escreveu:
> On 8/22/2018 11:20 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>> Also, I am still unable to get this very on-topic message to appear in
>>> the mozilla.support.thunderbird newsgroup.
>>
>> I see from the bug you resolved it.
>>
>> Did your posts to m.s.thunderbird ever appear? (I don't see any
>> new threads on this mobile, as I mentioned elsewhere.)
>>
>
> Yes, I solved the problem. But then I discovered that too many of my
> extensions are broken in Thunderbird 60.0. I have thus reverted to
> Thunderbird 52.9.1.
>

Although it crashes too much, I am partially happy with 45.8.0. Crash
reports? Yes! All possible, with all possible details, and even allowing
Mozilla contacts about those crashes - since several months ago, at a
very weak least (meaning it can be much more). What ever happened in
that sense? Absolutely nothing.

And there are people who moved away from Mozilla projects exactly
because they run away from "selected" problems, flaws and bugs.

Well...

> And yes, my posts finally appeared in mozilla.support.thunderbird.
> Because of moderation delay of someone else's post, a recommendation for
> fixing my problem appeared about 8 hours after I posted that my problem
> was resolved.
>


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[s|b]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:06:28 -0300, Balaco ocalaB wrote:

> LOL... move away for Mozilla. Or away from Windows [any], at most. I
> have a few problems with Thunderbird and Firefox in Debian, but they are
> not even close to the extreme situation you report for the version I
> will never use of TB.

Very helpful...

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[Balaco ocalaB]

I wrote something wrong: "move away for Mozilla" should have been "move
away from Mozilla". But some of us may still have understood that.

And I am a bit lost too. I use Mozilla software since several years ago,
and I do not know what can be the best paths to stop using them.

[Wayne]

On 8/24/2018 12:33 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
> Em 23-08-2018 12:20, David E. Ross escreveu:
>> On 8/22/2018 11:20 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
>>> "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>> Also, I am still unable to get this very on-topic message to appear in
>>>> the mozilla.support.thunderbird newsgroup.
>>>
>>> I see from the bug you resolved it.
>>>
>>> Did your posts to m.s.thunderbird ever appear? (I don't see any
>>>  new threads on this mobile, as I mentioned elsewhere.)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I solved the problem.

And noteworthy - it wasn't caused by Thunderbird.

> Although it crashes too much, I am partially happy with 45.8.0. Crash
> reports? Yes! All possible, with all possible details, and even allowing
> Mozilla contacts about those crashes - since several months ago, at a
> very weak least (meaning it can be much more). What ever happened in
> that sense? Absolutely nothing.

There are tens of thousands of crashes reported per day*. There isn't
the slightest chance that yours would be looked at individually unless
it was noteworthy. Therefore, crashes are normally looked at in groups
based on the crash signature.

Furthermore, as of recently, no one on the Thunderbird team has access
to the comments and email addresses in crash reports. (But someone is
working to resolve that issue.)

If you have a reproducible crash, with step to reproduce, then you
should file a bug report. The links are conveniently right there when
you view the crash report. You can get to your crash reports from Help
> Troubleshooting.

* over 14,000 per day for version 52.9.1 alone
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrashers/?product=Thunderbird&version=52.9.1&_facets_size=300

> And there are people who moved away from Mozilla projects exactly
> because they run away from "selected" problems, flaws and bugs.

Thunderbird is not Mozilla.

[Mark Rousell]

On 30/08/2018 20:14, Wayne wrote:
> Thunderbird is not Mozilla.

Well, um... the Mozilla Foundation is the "legal and fiscal home" of
Thunderbird[1], isn't it, which one might reasonably think of as being
part of "Mozilla". ;-) But I do know what you mean. Thunderbird is not
and has not been for some time part of Mozilla Corporation.



Footnote:-
1: https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2017/05/thunderbirds-future-home/

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[David E. Ross]

On 8/30/2018 12:14 PM, Wayne wrote [in part]:
>
> Thunderbird is not Mozilla.
>
Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and a few other applications are Mozilla-based.
Even if they have diverged from Firefox, Gecko, or Quantum, they are
based on components developed by Mozilla or Mozilla's predecessor.

[Wayne]

On 8/30/2018 4:11 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 30/08/2018 20:14, Wayne wrote:
>> Thunderbird is not Mozilla.
>
> Well, um... the Mozilla Foundation is the "legal and fiscal home" of
> Thunderbird[1], isn't it, which one might reasonably think of as being
> part of "Mozilla". ;-) But I do know what you mean. Thunderbird is not
> and has not been for some time part of Mozilla Corporation.

Right. The finer point people miss is product ... not ... managed ... by
... mozilla

> Footnote:-
> 1: https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2017/05/thunderbirds-future-home/

Unfortunately that finer point is deeply buried and not elaborated upon
in the blog post, namely "The Council will be managing all operations
and infrastructure required to serve over 25 million users and the
community surrounding it."

[Mark Rousell]

On 30/08/2018 22:02, Wayne wrote:
> Right. The finer point people miss is product ... not ... managed ...
> by ... mozilla

> [...]

> Unfortunately that finer point is deeply buried and not elaborated
> upon in the blog post, namely "The Council will be managing all
> operations and infrastructure required to serve over 25 million users
> and the community surrounding it."

Indeed. It would be very helpful if this sort of thing was spelled out
on the Thunderbird website but I can't see anything about Thunderbird
governance or roadmap on there at all.

As an aside, I also note that the thunderbird.net website footer mostly
points to mozilla.org which is all about Firefox and Pocket and nothing
about Thunderbird. Even the target of the footer's 'Contact Us' link on
mozilla.org doesn't seem to have heard of TB.

Any suggestions about where to report/discuss the thunderbird.net website?


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[Mark Rousell]

On 30/08/2018 22:22, Mark Rousell wrote:
> Any suggestions about where to report/discuss the thunderbird.net
> website?

Tb-planning might be the place to go for this, I suppose.


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[WaltS48]

On 8/30/18 9:36 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 30/08/2018 22:22, Mark Rousell wrote:
>> Any suggestions about where to report/discuss the thunderbird.net
>> website?
> Tb-planning might be the place to go for this, I suppose.
>
>

I think they have a GitHub page for that.

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[Mark Rousell]

On 31/08/2018 03:24, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 8/30/18 9:36 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
>> On 30/08/2018 22:22, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>> Any suggestions about where to report/discuss the thunderbird.net
>>> website?
>> Tb-planning might be the place to go for this, I suppose.
>>
>>
>
> I think they have a GitHub page for that.

So they do! Thank you for that. Link:
https://github.com/thundernest/thunderbird-website

And there's already an issue discussing the lack of explanation of TB's
governance on thunderbird.net here:
https://github.com/thundernest/thunderbird-website/issues/55


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