Mozilla to shut down FTP server

[»Q«]

<https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2015/07/27/product-delivery-migration-what-is-changing-when-its-changing-and-the-impacts/>

tl;dr: "After 8/5/15, ftp protocol support for ftp.mozilla.org will be
completely disabled and downloads can only be accessed through
http/https."

[Good Guy]

So we need to keep these links handy:

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/

https://ftp.mozilla.org/

The new technology is catching up;  Nest thing we might get is that these newsgroups are also shutting down and the support will only be available through the web browser forums.

One wonders if the newsgroup support in TB will continue.  Microsoft abandoned all forms of support of newsgroups and Mozilla might follow them soon.

[Mike Easter]

Good Guy wrote:
> »Q« wrote:
>> <https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2015/07/27/product-delivery-migration-what-is-changing-when-its-changing-and-the-impacts/>
>>
>>
>> tl;dr: "After 8/5/15, ftp protocol support for ftp.mozilla.org will be
>> completely disabled and downloads can only be accessed through
>> http/https."

I can understand why moz would rather farm the delivery service out to
Cloud Services AWS rather than do it themselves, but the article doesn't
address the fact that Cloud Services can provide ftp or sftp just as
well as http/https. Personally I prefer dl ftp (secure or not) over
http (ssl or not).

http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/hostedftp/ AWS Case Study:
HostedFTP

My first choice for many dl/s is torrent (and hash); my 2nd choice FTP
and hash. My last choice is http.

> The new technology is catching up; Nest thing we might get is that
> these newsgroups are also shutting down and the support will only be
> available through the web browser forums.

Many many support providers greatly dislike providing nntp compared to
JUST webforum. However, the complexity occurs with the desire to
provide as many channels as possible which include mailing list, nntp,
browser - all integrated.

So, the result is a mishmash of two services; integrated nntp, mailing
list, googlegroups integrated plus webforum not integrated.

> One wonders if the newsgroup support in TB will continue. Microsoft
> abandoned all forms of support of newsgroups and Mozilla might follow
> them soon.

MS approaches all problems MSoftly; so they believed that they could
integrate a web based forum with nntp to replace their pure MS-based
nntp system of MSpublic. In reality, it turned out that they actually
abandoned the nntp equation.

Many many support systems have similarly abandoned nntp because it isn't
well structured to support some moderation strategies. It would be nice
if there were a practical way to have continuous moderation which could
move messages around from one group to another, for example.

You can easily do that in a webforum; not nntp.

If I were moz support and wanted to 'get rid of' nntp and preserve the
support of mailing list and browser access, I would 'dump' the mailing
list onto gmane and get rid of googlegroup access altogether. Then
people could participate by gmane's nntp or browser or the mailing list
which would be tied to gmane.


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[Mike Easter]

Mike Easter wrote:
> MS approaches all problems MSoftly; so they believed that they could
> integrate a web based forum with nntp to replace their pure MS-based
> nntp system of MSpublic.

I was addressing the nntp bridge strategy obliquely.

http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/ Community Forums NNTP bridge -
Community project for accessing the MS Web-Forums via an open source
NNTP newsserver (bridge). - News: 2015-01-15 - A new NNTP bridge, with a
new REST-based web-service in the background, is now available!

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[Ron Hunter]

It matters little to me. A certain moderator, who will remain unnamed,
has ruined the newsgroups anyway. Not much activity, and not much
information any more.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 28/7/15 7:58 AM, »Q« wrote:
> <https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2015/07/27/product-delivery-migration-what-is-changing-when-its-changing-and-the-impacts/>

Is there a place for users to browse and select the file (especially old
versions) to download via http then? That's what the FTP server is about.

[WaltS48]

So you did not read the blog post?

> Going forward, users should start using archive.mozilla.org. The old name will still work but needs to be entered in your browser as https://ftp.mozilla.org/


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[Good Guy]

On 30/07/2015 15:40, WaltS48 wrote:

On 07/30/2015 10:26 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 28/7/15 7:58 AM, »Q« wrote:

<https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2015/07/27/product-delivery-migration-what-is-changing-when-its-changing-and-the-impacts/>

Is there a place for users to browse and select the file (especially old
versions) to download via http then? That's what the FTP server is about.

So you did not read the blog post?

Going forward, users should start using archive.mozilla.org. The old name will still work but needs to be entered in your browser as https://ftp.mozilla.org/

Or even this:

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 31/7/15 1:14 AM, Good Guy wrote:
> On 30/07/2015 15:40, WaltS48 wrote:
>> So you did not read the blog post?
>

> Or even this:
> https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/

OK, Thanks!

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