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Stormy Peters
Feb 3, 2015, 3:00:44 PM2/3/15
to engagement-developers Engagement, mdn-drivers
With some of the recent changes in teams, we are proposing to change up the
mailing lists so that they more closely align with working teams and
initiatives.
*ACTION: Please sign up for the new MDN list if you wish to continue to be
part of MDN discussions: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn
<https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn>.*
*Mailing lists:*
We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed. (If I don't hear back anything by
mid-next week, I will go ahead with this recommendation.)
We have created a new list called m...@lists.mozilla.org for the extended
MDN team. We expect people interested in MDN infrastructure, content,
events, community, roadmap, etc to join that list.
*IRC channels:*
We are changing how several IRC channels are used. The #devrel channel will
now be the primary channel for the evangelism team. The MDN team will hold
their meetings and discussions in #mdn.
*Wiki:*
There are also efforts underway to clean up team pages on the wiki. The MDN
wiki pages are at https://wiki.mozilla.org/MDN.
*Meetings:*
It's a new year and that's a great time to make sure we are working
efficiently. We are gathering all of the MDN related meetings and listing
them on the wiki: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MDN/Meetings. They are also in
the MDN public calendar,
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mozilla.com_2d35383434313235392d323530%40resource.calendar.google.com&ctz=GMT
.
Please sign up now for the new MDN list if you wish to continue to be part
of MDN discussions: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn.
Best,
Stormy
mailing lists so that they more closely align with working teams and
initiatives.
*ACTION: Please sign up for the new MDN list if you wish to continue to be
part of MDN discussions: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn
<https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn>.*
*Mailing lists:*
We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed. (If I don't hear back anything by
mid-next week, I will go ahead with this recommendation.)
We have created a new list called m...@lists.mozilla.org for the extended
MDN team. We expect people interested in MDN infrastructure, content,
events, community, roadmap, etc to join that list.
*IRC channels:*
We are changing how several IRC channels are used. The #devrel channel will
now be the primary channel for the evangelism team. The MDN team will hold
their meetings and discussions in #mdn.
*Wiki:*
There are also efforts underway to clean up team pages on the wiki. The MDN
wiki pages are at https://wiki.mozilla.org/MDN.
*Meetings:*
It's a new year and that's a great time to make sure we are working
efficiently. We are gathering all of the MDN related meetings and listing
them on the wiki: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MDN/Meetings. They are also in
the MDN public calendar,
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mozilla.com_2d35383434313235392d323530%40resource.calendar.google.com&ctz=GMT
.
Please sign up now for the new MDN list if you wish to continue to be part
of MDN discussions: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn.
Best,
Stormy
Eric Shepherd (Sheppy)
Feb 3, 2015, 4:38:27 PM2/3/15
to Stormy Peters, mdn-drivers, engagement-developers Engagement
As I recall, the purpose behind mdn-drivers was to provide a low-traffic
list on which people with a vested interest in ensuring that MDN was
functioning to meet their needs could share concerns; this was meant to
include people from other teams, including engineering, management, and so
forth. I know we used it that way from our end, but I guess I don't
actually know how well it took hold among other teams.
At any rate, these changes generally make sense to me (and don't seem like
very big changes, so yay!).
My one question is this: Is writing/content discussion meant to move from
dev-mdc to the new mdn list? The idea was to keep writing discussions
separate from engineering discussions in order to avoid anyone having to
wade through conversations they had no interest in. Certainly the dev team
doesn't wan to be involved in our debates on changes to the grammatical
style guide or that kind of thing. :)
> _______________________________________________
> engagement-developers mailing list
> engagement...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/engagement-developers
>
--
Eric Shepherd
Sr. Technical Writer
Mozilla
Blog: http://www.bitstampede.com/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/sheppy
list on which people with a vested interest in ensuring that MDN was
functioning to meet their needs could share concerns; this was meant to
include people from other teams, including engineering, management, and so
forth. I know we used it that way from our end, but I guess I don't
actually know how well it took hold among other teams.
At any rate, these changes generally make sense to me (and don't seem like
very big changes, so yay!).
My one question is this: Is writing/content discussion meant to move from
dev-mdc to the new mdn list? The idea was to keep writing discussions
separate from engineering discussions in order to avoid anyone having to
wade through conversations they had no interest in. Certainly the dev team
doesn't wan to be involved in our debates on changes to the grammatical
style guide or that kind of thing. :)
> engagement-developers mailing list
> engagement...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/engagement-developers
>
--
Eric Shepherd
Sr. Technical Writer
Mozilla
Blog: http://www.bitstampede.com/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/sheppy
Stormy Peters
Feb 3, 2015, 4:52:09 PM2/3/15
to Eric Shepherd (Sheppy), mdn-drivers, engagement-developers Engagement
I would expect the writing team and the engineering team to still have
their own discussion lists for everyday work.
Stormy
their own discussion lists for everyday work.
Stormy
Francois Marier
Feb 3, 2015, 7:12:48 PM2/3/15
to mozilla-engage...@lists.mozilla.org
On 04/02/15 09:00, Stormy Peters wrote:
> *Mailing lists:*
> We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
Is there already a new list for general dev engagement discussions
> *Mailing lists:*
> We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
that's not related to MDN?
Francois
Stormy Peters
Feb 3, 2015, 7:24:21 PM2/3/15
to Francois Marier, mozilla-engage...@lists.mozilla.org
I believe the evangelists plan to start a public list.
Stormy
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Francois Marier <fran...@mozilla.com>
wrote:
> On 04/02/15 09:00, Stormy Peters wrote:
Stormy
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Francois Marier <fran...@mozilla.com>
wrote:
> On 04/02/15 09:00, Stormy Peters wrote:
> > *Mailing lists:*
> > We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> > mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
>
> > We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> > mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
>
> Is there already a new list for general dev engagement discussions
> that's not related to MDN?
>
> Francois
> that's not related to MDN?
>
> Francois
Dan Callahan
Feb 3, 2015, 7:54:37 PM2/3/15
to Stormy Peters, mozilla-engage...@lists.mozilla.org, Francois Marier
This is still in progress, but we don't have any immediate timelines or
specific plans.
More public communication channels are a part of our 2015 goal re:
empowering community evangelism, but for the moment our main public
channels are IRC (https://botbot.me/mozilla/devrel) and our weekly meeting (
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Devrel/Minutes).
Our internal mailing list (dev...@mozilla.com) is open to outside posts and
fully archived (https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.com/forum/#!forum/devrel),
but archive visibility is limited to list members and MoCo/MoFo
organization members, as defined by Google Groups.
-Dan
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> I believe the evangelists plan to start a public list.
>
> Stormy
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Francois Marier <fran...@mozilla.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 04/02/15 09:00, Stormy Peters wrote:
specific plans.
More public communication channels are a part of our 2015 goal re:
empowering community evangelism, but for the moment our main public
channels are IRC (https://botbot.me/mozilla/devrel) and our weekly meeting (
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Devrel/Minutes).
Our internal mailing list (dev...@mozilla.com) is open to outside posts and
fully archived (https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.com/forum/#!forum/devrel),
but archive visibility is limited to list members and MoCo/MoFo
organization members, as defined by Google Groups.
-Dan
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> I believe the evangelists plan to start a public list.
>
> Stormy
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Francois Marier <fran...@mozilla.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 04/02/15 09:00, Stormy Peters wrote:
> > > *Mailing lists:*
> > > We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> > > mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
> >
> > > We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> > > mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
> >
Karl Dubost
Feb 3, 2015, 9:03:08 PM2/3/15
to Stormy Peters, mdn-drivers, engagement-developers Engagement
Hi Stormy,
Le 4 févr. 2015 à 05:00, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com> a écrit :
> We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
by close, do you mean, not being able to post to them, but Web archives kept online?
Thanks.
#rustyweb
--
Karl Dubost, Mozilla
http://www.la-grange.net/karl/moz
Le 4 févr. 2015 à 05:00, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com> a écrit :
> We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
Thanks.
#rustyweb
--
Karl Dubost, Mozilla
http://www.la-grange.net/karl/moz
Stormy Peters
Feb 3, 2015, 9:06:44 PM2/3/15
to Karl Dubost, mdn-drivers, engagement-developers Engagement
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Karl Dubost <kdu...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Hi Stormy,
>
> Le 4 févr. 2015 à 05:00, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com> a écrit :
> > We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> > mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
>
> by close, do you mean, not being able to post to them, but Web archives
> kept online?
>
That's the plan.
> Hi Stormy,
>
> Le 4 févr. 2015 à 05:00, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com> a écrit :
> > We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> > mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org be closed.
>
> by close, do you mean, not being able to post to them, but Web archives
> kept online?
>
I've discovered that mailing lists at Mozilla are not as simple as I think
they should be but I think we can do that. :)
Stormy
Sebastian Zartner
Feb 4, 2015, 3:49:08 AM2/4/15
to Stormy Peters, mdn-drivers, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy), engagement-developers Engagement
And what are these lists? dev-mdc and dev-mdn?
The description to the new mdn list sounds like it covers both, writing and
engineering. So what's the reason behind that?
Sebastian
On 3 February 2015 at 22:51, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> I would expect the writing team and the engineering team to still have
> their own discussion lists for everyday work.
>
> Stormy
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy) <
> eshe...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> > As I recall, the purpose behind mdn-drivers was to provide a low-traffic
> > list on which people with a vested interest in ensuring that MDN was
> > functioning to meet their needs could share concerns; this was meant to
> > include people from other teams, including engineering, management, and
> so
> > forth. I know we used it that way from our end, but I guess I don't
> > actually know how well it took hold among other teams.
> >
> > At any rate, these changes generally make sense to me (and don't seem
> like
> > very big changes, so yay!).
> >
> > My one question is this: Is writing/content discussion meant to move from
> > dev-mdc to the new mdn list? The idea was to keep writing discussions
> > separate from engineering discussions in order to avoid anyone having to
> > wade through conversations they had no interest in. Certainly the dev
> team
> > doesn't wan to be involved in our debates on changes to the grammatical
> > style guide or that kind of thing. :)
> >
> >
> Mdn-drivers mailing list
> Mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn-drivers
>
The description to the new mdn list sounds like it covers both, writing and
engineering. So what's the reason behind that?
Sebastian
On 3 February 2015 at 22:51, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> I would expect the writing team and the engineering team to still have
> their own discussion lists for everyday work.
>
> Stormy
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy) <
> eshe...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> > As I recall, the purpose behind mdn-drivers was to provide a low-traffic
> > list on which people with a vested interest in ensuring that MDN was
> > functioning to meet their needs could share concerns; this was meant to
> > include people from other teams, including engineering, management, and
> so
> > forth. I know we used it that way from our end, but I guess I don't
> > actually know how well it took hold among other teams.
> >
> > At any rate, these changes generally make sense to me (and don't seem
> like
> > very big changes, so yay!).
> >
> > My one question is this: Is writing/content discussion meant to move from
> > dev-mdc to the new mdn list? The idea was to keep writing discussions
> > separate from engineering discussions in order to avoid anyone having to
> > wade through conversations they had no interest in. Certainly the dev
> team
> > doesn't wan to be involved in our debates on changes to the grammatical
> > style guide or that kind of thing. :)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Stormy Peters <sto...@mozilla.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> With some of the recent changes in teams, we are proposing to change up
> >> the
> >> mailing lists so that they more closely align with working teams and
> >> initiatives.
> >>
> >> *ACTION: Please sign up for the new MDN list if you wish to continue to
> be
> >> part of MDN discussions: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn
> >> <https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn>.*
> >>
> >> *Mailing lists:*
> wrote:
> >
> >> With some of the recent changes in teams, we are proposing to change up
> >> the
> >> mailing lists so that they more closely align with working teams and
> >> initiatives.
> >>
> >> *ACTION: Please sign up for the new MDN list if you wish to continue to
> be
> >> part of MDN discussions: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn
> >> <https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn>.*
> >>
> >> *Mailing lists:*
> >> We are recommending that engagement...@lists.mozilla.org and
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> engagement-developers mailing list
> >> engagement...@lists.mozilla.org
> >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/engagement-developers
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> engagement-developers mailing list
> >> engagement...@lists.mozilla.org
> >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/engagement-developers
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Eric Shepherd
> > Sr. Technical Writer
> > Mozilla
> > Blog: http://www.bitstampede.com/
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/sheppy
> >
> _______________________________________________
> >
> > Eric Shepherd
> > Sr. Technical Writer
> > Mozilla
> > Blog: http://www.bitstampede.com/
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/sheppy
> >
> Mdn-drivers mailing list
> Mdn-d...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mdn-drivers
>
Sebastian Zartner
Feb 4, 2015, 3:54:28 AM2/4/15
to Stormy Peters, mdn-drivers, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy), engagement-developers Engagement
Btw the mdn-drivers list is also mentioned here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/MDN/Community
So when that list is to be closed, that article also needs to be updated.
Sebastian
On 4 February 2015 at 09:48, Sebastian Zartner <sebastia...@gmail.com>
wrote:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/MDN/Community
So when that list is to be closed, that article also needs to be updated.
Sebastian
On 4 February 2015 at 09:48, Sebastian Zartner <sebastia...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Stephanie Hobson
Feb 4, 2015, 2:41:03 PM2/4/15
to Sebastian Zartner, mdn-drivers, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy), engagement-developers Engagement, Stormy Peters
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Sebastian Zartner <
sebastia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Btw the mdn-drivers list is also mentioned here:
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/MDN/Community
>
> So when that list is to be closed, that article also needs to be updated.
>
A search of the Mozilla wiki and MDN for the old groups should be done,
sebastia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Btw the mdn-drivers list is also mentioned here:
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/MDN/Community
>
> So when that list is to be closed, that article also needs to be updated.
>
there's probably other instances.
(I'm not volunteering :P)
Havi Hoffman
Feb 4, 2015, 3:34:42 PM2/4/15
to Stephanie Hobson, mdn-drivers, Sebastian Zartner, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy), engagement-developers Engagement, Stormy Peters
Does anyone know what the current # of subscribers is for
engagement-developers@?
thanks, Havi
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Stephanie Hobson <sho...@mozilla.com>
wrote:
engagement-developers@?
thanks, Havi
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Stephanie Hobson <sho...@mozilla.com>
wrote:
Janet Swisher
Feb 4, 2015, 3:44:00 PM2/4/15
to Havi Hoffman, mdn-drivers, engagement-developers Engagement
On 2/4/15 2:21 PM, Havi Hoffman wrote:
> Does anyone know what the current # of subscribers is for
> engagement-developers@?
mailman: 153
> Does anyone know what the current # of subscribers is for
> engagement-developers@?
Google group: 54
newsgroup: unknown
Overlap among these modes: unknown
mdn-drivers has 12 Google group subscribers; Luke can tell you the
number of mailman subscribers.
It is possible to manually subscribe or invite users to a mailman list
en masse. So we could potentially invite all current subscribers of the
deprecated lists to the new list.
--
Janet Swisher <mailto:jREMOVE...@mozilla.com>
Mozilla Developer Network <https://developer.mozilla.org>
MDN Community Manager
Justin Crawford
Feb 4, 2015, 3:51:52 PM2/4/15
to Stephanie Hobson, mdn-drivers, Sebastian Zartner, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy), engagement-developers Engagement, Stormy Peters
>
> A search of the Mozilla wiki and MDN for the old groups should be done,
> there's probably other instances.
As of mid-January, these wiki articles had most-recent-revisions including
> A search of the Mozilla wiki and MDN for the old groups should be done,
> there's probably other instances.
"mdn-drivers" or "engagement-developers":
https://developer.mozilla.org/Project:MDN/Contributing/Join_the_community
https://developer.mozilla.org/MDN/Comunidade
https://developer.mozilla.org/MDN/Comunitate
https://developer.mozilla.org/MDN/Komunitas
https://developer.mozilla.org/MDN/Community
Justin Crawford
Product Manager, MDN
hoos...@mozilla.com
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Stephanie Hobson <sho...@mozilla.com>
Justin Crawford
Feb 4, 2015, 3:58:09 PM2/4/15
to Stephanie Hobson, mdn-drivers, Sebastian Zartner, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy), engagement-developers Engagement, Stormy Peters
Forgive me, links below are not working due to a coding error on my part.
But the slugs themselves ("Komunitas") are likely attached to pages in some
locale that include these strings.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Justin Crawford <hoos...@mozilla.com>
wrote:
But the slugs themselves ("Komunitas") are likely attached to pages in some
locale that include these strings.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Justin Crawford <hoos...@mozilla.com>
wrote:
Janet Swisher
Feb 4, 2015, 4:02:47 PM2/4/15
to Justin Crawford, Stephanie Hobson, mdn-drivers, Sebastian Zartner, Eric Shepherd (Sheppy), engagement-developers Engagement, Stormy Peters
The latter ones are all translations of the first one, reachable from
the "Languages" menu in the page.
We also need to scrub wiki.mo, which I can do.
the "Languages" menu in the page.
We also need to scrub wiki.mo, which I can do.
Luke Crouch
Feb 4, 2015, 4:03:54 PM2/4/15
to Janet Swisher, mdn-drivers, Havi Hoffman, engagement-developers Engagement
mdn-drivers mailmain: 63 members
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Janet Swisher <jswi...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> On 2/4/15 2:21 PM, Havi Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what the current # of subscribers is for
>> engagement-developers@?
>>
>
> mailman: 153
> Google group: 54
> newsgroup: unknown
> Overlap among these modes: unknown
>
> mdn-drivers has 12 Google group subscribers; Luke can tell you the number
> of mailman subscribers.
>
> It is possible to manually subscribe or invite users to a mailman list en
> masse. So we could potentially invite all current subscribers of the
> deprecated lists to the new list.
>
>
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Janet Swisher <jswi...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> On 2/4/15 2:21 PM, Havi Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what the current # of subscribers is for
>> engagement-developers@?
>>
>
> mailman: 153
> Google group: 54
> newsgroup: unknown
> Overlap among these modes: unknown
>
> mdn-drivers has 12 Google group subscribers; Luke can tell you the number
> of mailman subscribers.
>
> It is possible to manually subscribe or invite users to a mailman list en
> masse. So we could potentially invite all current subscribers of the
> deprecated lists to the new list.
>
>
> --
> Janet Swisher <mailto:jREMOVE...@mozilla.com>
> Mozilla Developer Network <https://developer.mozilla.org>
> MDN Community Manager
> Janet Swisher <mailto:jREMOVE...@mozilla.com>
> Mozilla Developer Network <https://developer.mozilla.org>
> MDN Community Manager
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