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Ahmed Nefzaoui
Mar 7, 2016, 4:04:54 PM3/7/16
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Hello everyone,
Hope you're all having a good time!For now this version will be what we base ourself on to kick off other phases of qualifying Fennec in RTL.
Check it out and tell us what do you think!
Cheers,
Ahmed
mermi
Mar 7, 2016, 6:12:47 PM3/7/16
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Hello Ahmed,
Thank you for this document, everything is good and clear just I have a remark about the Indexes on main page, I think the icon should be in the right and the words near to it! _______________________________________________
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Delphine Lebédel
Mar 7, 2016, 6:29:06 PM3/7/16
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:48 PM, mermi <mane...@gmail.com> wrote:
Also I thing some of us (people who never work on Firefox Android before) need to know when we find a bug how could we fix it I mean how could we start ?!Hello Ahmed,Thank you for this document, everything is good and clear just I have a remark about the Indexes on main page, I think the icon should be in the right and the words near to it!
Hi Mermi,
Thanks for asking this!
For
filing bugs, I would go to Bugzilla in Firefox for Android section:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Firefox%20for%20Androidthen
choose from the Component list in the dropdown, and file under "Theme and
Visual Design" (I'll double check about this, but seems like the best place
to put these)
I'd recommend putting [RTL] at the beginning of the bug title. That facilitates queries and such.
Please note that
truncation bugs (where text is cut-off) are NOT RTL
issues. They are l10n issues that should be filed under Mozilla Localization
product > "ar" locale
delphine
Delphine Lebédel
Mar 7, 2016, 7:01:42 PM3/7/16
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Ahmed just pointed out that there exists a meta bug for Fennec RTL already: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702845
Please file all your bugs as blocking this one. Thanks!Augustin Trancart
Mar 8, 2016, 8:17:09 AM3/8/16
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Hello everyone,
There is one difference I've seen with Firefox OS: in the "Indexes on main page", we have opted to right-align everything in RTL to have a more consistent UI in the history page on FxOS. I personally would find it cleaner, instead of having items that align differently, but maybe that's clearer that way for an arabic reader, I don't know.
For toolbars, such as the one on top of the "Main Menu (Priority 1)" with favorites, add tab and share buttons: I *think* we ended up mirroring their order in FxOS (we changed that halfway 2.5).
The main argument *not* to change their order is that arabic-speaking people are mainly right-handed, just as in most countries. For large screen, the far-left button can be harder to reach. That can be a good reason not to mirror it. I'm not sure of the relevance of this though, maybe it is still the reading direction that matters here: arabic speaker might see the right button faster, thus reaching it more easily. Again, not an arabic speaker myself, so I can't really say.
Another argument in favor of changing their order (imho) is that it's easier to code: it's one less particular case to deal with. For Fennec, I do not know how the interface is coded, so depending on the technology, this argument can be even stronger or on the contrary be in favor of not changing the order.
Some nits:
- On the same page, shouldn't the site favicons be on the right side for rtl UI for each item in the list? (I assume they are on the left for LTR UI right?). It would be more consistent with the favicon position in the url bar and in the tab title, as can be seen in the "tabs and address bar" section.
- On the "tab index page" section, I noticed the "x" icon is still on the right in RTL. Shouldn't they be on the left? It would be more consistent with the "x" icon on tabs in the "tabs and address bar" section.
Go RTL!
Cheers,
Augustin
There is one difference I've seen with Firefox OS: in the "Indexes on main page", we have opted to right-align everything in RTL to have a more consistent UI in the history page on FxOS. I personally would find it cleaner, instead of having items that align differently, but maybe that's clearer that way for an arabic reader, I don't know.
For toolbars, such as the one on top of the "Main Menu (Priority 1)" with favorites, add tab and share buttons: I *think* we ended up mirroring their order in FxOS (we changed that halfway 2.5).
The main argument *not* to change their order is that arabic-speaking people are mainly right-handed, just as in most countries. For large screen, the far-left button can be harder to reach. That can be a good reason not to mirror it. I'm not sure of the relevance of this though, maybe it is still the reading direction that matters here: arabic speaker might see the right button faster, thus reaching it more easily. Again, not an arabic speaker myself, so I can't really say.
Another argument in favor of changing their order (imho) is that it's easier to code: it's one less particular case to deal with. For Fennec, I do not know how the interface is coded, so depending on the technology, this argument can be even stronger or on the contrary be in favor of not changing the order.
Some nits:
- On the same page, shouldn't the site favicons be on the right side for rtl UI for each item in the list? (I assume they are on the left for LTR UI right?). It would be more consistent with the favicon position in the url bar and in the tab title, as can be seen in the "tabs and address bar" section.
- On the "tab index page" section, I noticed the "x" icon is still on the right in RTL. Shouldn't they be on the left? It would be more consistent with the "x" icon on tabs in the "tabs and address bar" section.
Go RTL!
Cheers,
Augustin
Delphine Lebédel
Mar 10, 2016, 5:11:02 PM3/10/16
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Both Augustin and Mermi made some very valid comments IMHO.
Just wondering: is there someone "in charge" of updating the specs? Would that be Arash maybe since he created them in the first place?
thanks! :D
Just wondering: is there someone "in charge" of updating the specs? Would that be Arash maybe since he created them in the first place?
thanks! :D
mousav...@gmail.com
Mar 11, 2016, 3:53:46 PM3/11/16
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Hello all,
Just quickly commenting on comments :D
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:18 AM, mermi <mane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a remark about the Indexes on main page, I think the icon should be in the
> right and the words near to it!
I have no hard feelings about icons being on right or left.
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Augustin Trancart
<augustin...@phoxygen.com> wrote:
> There is one difference I've seen with Firefox OS: in the "Indexes on main
> page", we have opted to right-align everything in RTL to have a more
> consistent UI in the history page on FxOS. I personally would find it
> cleaner, instead of having items that align differently, but maybe that's
> clearer that way for an arabic reader, I don't know.
Again no hard feelings for icons, but I myself prefer texts being
bidirectional like it is now. It mean that the text gets right/left
aligned based on the context. So if it's Latin alphabet, it shows them
LTR and on Arabic/Hebrew RTL. This also makes sense for address bar
(because most URLs are with Latin alphabet and they seem weird to when
they are RTL, although Firefox is doing the same).
> For toolbars, such as the one on top of the "Main Menu (Priority 1)" with
> favorites, add tab and share buttons: I *think* we ended up mirroring their
> order in FxOS (we changed that halfway 2.5).
I think this one is valid. The discussion about being right/left
handed came up in Sri Lanka too, and I'm not really agreed with it.
Currently smartphones are having big screens that you can't work with
them with only one hand and most people use both hands. So I think
being right/left handed shouldn't be a big concern.
> - On the same page, shouldn't the site favicons be on the right side for rtl
> UI for each item in the list? (I assume they are on the left for LTR UI
> right?). It would be more consistent with the favicon position in the url
> bar and in the tab title, as can be seen in the "tabs and address bar"
> section.
You mean the ones in "Indexes on main page"?
> - On the "tab index page" section, I noticed the "x" icon is still on the
> right in RTL. Shouldn't they be on the left? It would be more consistent
> with the "x" icon on tabs in the "tabs and address bar" section.
It makes sense. (but titles are bidirectional, so maybe not a priority)
I can do that for sure. Are everybody done discussing? I can prepare
the fixes tomorrow.
Best Wishes,
Arash
Just quickly commenting on comments :D
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:18 AM, mermi <mane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a remark about the Indexes on main page, I think the icon should be in the
> right and the words near to it!
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Augustin Trancart
<augustin...@phoxygen.com> wrote:
> There is one difference I've seen with Firefox OS: in the "Indexes on main
> page", we have opted to right-align everything in RTL to have a more
> consistent UI in the history page on FxOS. I personally would find it
> cleaner, instead of having items that align differently, but maybe that's
> clearer that way for an arabic reader, I don't know.
bidirectional like it is now. It mean that the text gets right/left
aligned based on the context. So if it's Latin alphabet, it shows them
LTR and on Arabic/Hebrew RTL. This also makes sense for address bar
(because most URLs are with Latin alphabet and they seem weird to when
they are RTL, although Firefox is doing the same).
> For toolbars, such as the one on top of the "Main Menu (Priority 1)" with
> favorites, add tab and share buttons: I *think* we ended up mirroring their
> order in FxOS (we changed that halfway 2.5).
handed came up in Sri Lanka too, and I'm not really agreed with it.
Currently smartphones are having big screens that you can't work with
them with only one hand and most people use both hands. So I think
being right/left handed shouldn't be a big concern.
> - On the same page, shouldn't the site favicons be on the right side for rtl
> UI for each item in the list? (I assume they are on the left for LTR UI
> right?). It would be more consistent with the favicon position in the url
> bar and in the tab title, as can be seen in the "tabs and address bar"
> section.
> - On the "tab index page" section, I noticed the "x" icon is still on the
> right in RTL. Shouldn't they be on the left? It would be more consistent
> with the "x" icon on tabs in the "tabs and address bar" section.
the fixes tomorrow.
Best Wishes,
Arash
Augustin Trancart
Mar 14, 2016, 6:09:32 AM3/14/16
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On 11/03/2016 21:53, mousav...@gmail.com wrote:
> (...)
> Again no hard feelings for icons, but I myself prefer texts being
> bidirectional like it is now. It mean that the text gets right/left
> aligned based on the context. So if it's Latin alphabet, it shows them
> LTR and on Arabic/Hebrew RTL. This also makes sense for address bar
> (because most URLs are with Latin alphabet and they seem weird to when
> they are RTL, although Firefox is doing the same).
By RTL and LTR, you mean right-aligned and left-aligned right? Because
> bidirectional like it is now. It mean that the text gets right/left
> aligned based on the context. So if it's Latin alphabet, it shows them
> LTR and on Arabic/Hebrew RTL. This also makes sense for address bar
> (because most URLs are with Latin alphabet and they seem weird to when
> they are RTL, although Firefox is doing the same).
the inner direction of a text (RTL or LTR) and its alignment (right or
left) are 2 orthogonal issues. Just to be sure we use the same words...
Augustin
mousav...@gmail.com
Mar 14, 2016, 8:44:45 AM3/14/16
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Augustin Trancart
<augustin...@phoxygen.com> wrote:
> By RTL and LTR, you mean right-aligned and left-aligned right? Because the
> inner direction of a text (RTL or LTR) and its alignment (right or left) are
> 2 orthogonal issues. Just to be sure we use the same words...
No I mean direction and not just alignment. Current bi-direction
<augustin...@phoxygen.com> wrote:
> By RTL and LTR, you mean right-aligned and left-aligned right? Because the
> inner direction of a text (RTL or LTR) and its alignment (right or left) are
> 2 orthogonal issues. Just to be sure we use the same words...
behavior is also changing the direction (not just alignment) in
bookmarks page for example.
Arash
Augustin Trancart
Mar 14, 2016, 9:47:26 AM3/14/16
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Ok. Just to clarify further, I meant only alignment. I took the fact
that direction adapts to the content as a given.
that direction adapts to the content as a given.
Delphine Lebédel
Mar 15, 2016, 2:01:39 PM3/15/16
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> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:33 AM, Delphine Lebédel
> <lebedel....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Both Augustin and Mermi made some very valid comments IMHO.
> > Just wondering: is there someone "in charge" of updating the specs? Would that be Arash maybe since he created them in the first place?
>
> I can do that for sure. Are everybody done discussing? I can prepare
> the fixes tomorrow.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Arash
Hey Arash,
> <lebedel....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Both Augustin and Mermi made some very valid comments IMHO.
> > Just wondering: is there someone "in charge" of updating the specs? Would that be Arash maybe since he created them in the first place?
>
> I can do that for sure. Are everybody done discussing? I can prepare
> the fixes tomorrow.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Arash
thanks that would be great! Looks like the specs are progressing a great deal and more or less close to finalized. Even if there are still some tweaks to do, when you are ready would you mind posting the latest updated version on the Fennec RTL meta-bug please? (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702845)
This way we can have fennec engineers also take a look at it for review :D
thanks
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