Re: Gaia localization: first string freeze on September 21 (this Friday)

[Staś Małolepszy]

On Thu 20 Sep 2012 03:06:53 PM CEST, Julen Ruiz Aizpuru wrote:
> og., 2012.eko iraren 20a 15:01(e)an, Staś Małolepszy(e)k idatzi zuen:
>>
>> The codebase is not frozen yet, but we were able to stabilize 14 apps
>> out of the total 20, which we called "the first bucket apps". They
>> represent around 50% of all the strings found in Gaia (~400 of the total
>> ~800). This is a great opportunity to start l10n early and still ensure
>> stability of string that you work on.
>
> Any estimates on the number of words to translate?

Today's estimate is as follows:

First bucket (freezing tomorrow):
370 strings
938 words

All apps (first & second bucket):
748 strings
1823 words

HTH, but keep in mind that the exact counts are subject to change.

-stas

[Fernando Pereira Silveira]

I missed instructions on how to localize Gaia...

[Michael Bauer]

I don't think there were any so far. I hope it'll be on Verbatim.
Speaking of which, is there a list somewhere that tells us what all
these Verbatim projects are? What's Firefox Home and Firefox Import? Is
Addons the addons site UI or something else? I'm (again) confused :)

Michael

21/09/2012 17:38, sgrìobh Fernando Pereira Silveira:

[Ibraahiima SAAR]

Hi all,
I think Verbatim is using an old version of Pootle also based on an
outdated version of Translate Toolkit. Pootle has evolved since and become
very robust and user friendly. Are there any plans to upgrade to version
2.2?
But indeed Pootle is a very good platform for localizing Mozilla products!

Regards
Ibrahima


2012/9/21 Michael Bauer <fi...@akerbeltz.org>

> I don't think there were any so far. I hope it'll be on Verbatim. Speaking
> of which, is there a list somewhere that tells us what all these Verbatim
> projects are? What's Firefox Home and Firefox Import? Is Addons the addons
> site UI or something else? I'm (again) confused :)
>
> Michael
>
> 21/09/2012 17:38, sgrìobh Fernando Pereira Silveira:
>

> I missed instructions on how to localize Gaia...
>>

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[Axel Hecht]

We're working together with Dwayne's crew on
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772896.

I don't intend to migrate over to pootle or translate toolkit for
products, though.

Axel

On 21.09.12 19:12, Ibraahiima SAAR wrote:
> Hi all,
> I think Verbatim is using an old version of Pootle also based on an
> outdated version of Translate Toolkit. Pootle has evolved since and become
> very robust and user friendly. Are there any plans to upgrade to version
> 2.2?
> But indeed Pootle is a very good platform for localizing Mozilla products!
>
> Regards
> Ibrahima
>
>
> 2012/9/21 Michael Bauer <fi...@akerbeltz.org>
>
>> I don't think there were any so far. I hope it'll be on Verbatim. Speaking
>> of which, is there a list somewhere that tells us what all these Verbatim
>> projects are? What's Firefox Home and Firefox Import? Is Addons the addons
>> site UI or something else? I'm (again) confused :)
>>
>> Michael
>>

>> 21/09/2012 17:38, sgr�obh Fernando Pereira Silveira:

[Dwayne Bailey]

On 21 September 2012 19:48, Axel Hecht <l1...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> We're working together with Dwayne's crew on

> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77289<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772896>


Indeed, we're busy stabalising Pootle and testing data migration so that we
can deliver a new instance of Pootle there. Those who translate Firefox
over at mozilla.locamotion.org are experiencing, apart from a few features,
what will role out on Verbatim.

>
> I don't intend to migrate over to pootle or translate toolkit for
> products, though.
>
> Axel
>
>
> On 21.09.12 19:12, Ibraahiima SAAR wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I think Verbatim is using an old version of Pootle also based on an
>> outdated version of Translate Toolkit. Pootle has evolved since and become
>> very robust and user friendly. Are there any plans to upgrade to version
>> 2.2?
>> But indeed Pootle is a very good platform for localizing Mozilla products!
>>
>> Regards
>> Ibrahima
>>
>>
>> 2012/9/21 Michael Bauer <fi...@akerbeltz.org>
>>
>> I don't think there were any so far. I hope it'll be on Verbatim.
>>> Speaking
>>> of which, is there a list somewhere that tells us what all these Verbatim
>>> projects are? What's Firefox Home and Firefox Import? Is Addons the
>>> addons
>>> site UI or something else? I'm (again) confused :)
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>

>>> 21/09/2012 17:38, sgrìobh Fernando Pereira Silveira:

>>>
>>> I missed instructions on how to localize Gaia...
>>>
>>>>

>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>> dev-l10n mailing list
>>> dev-...@lists.mozilla.org
>>> https://lists.mozilla.org/****listinfo/dev-l10n<https://lists.mozilla.org/**listinfo/dev-l10n>
>>> <https://**lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/**dev-l10n<https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-l10n>

>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>

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Dwayne

*Translate*
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[Staś Małolepszy]

Hi all,

*String freeze delayed.*

A quick update that you're probably waiting for: we were supposed to
string-freeze yesterday night and start the localization today, but
we'll need to wait at least until Monday.

After a heroic night by Josh and Kaze, there still remains a significant
number of strings that need a final review before we can freeze.

I'm sorry about the confusion. We understand that you're eager to start
working on Gaia l10n. At the same time we value your time and there's
little point in string freezing today, when we already know that more
changes will be coming to these strings.

Additionally, I'm still waiting on IT to create the Mercurial
repositories. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792593

In the meantime, you can try setting up the environment for Gaia l10n as
per the following instructions from my blog:

Running Boot to Gecko on your desktop
http://informationisart.com/11/

How to test localizability of Gaia system apps
http://informationisart.com/13/

Thanks for understanding and stay tuned!
-stas

On 09/20/2012 03:01 PM, Staś Małolepszy wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I know you've been eagerly waiting for this. I have some good news to
> share!
>
> The first string freeze for Gaia will happen this Friday, end of day.
> You will be able to start the localization this weekend!

>
> The codebase is not frozen yet, but we were able to stabilize 14 apps
> out of the total 20, which we called "the first bucket apps". They
> represent around 50% of all the strings found in Gaia (~400 of the total
> ~800). This is a great opportunity to start l10n early and still ensure
> stability of string that you work on.
>

> The second string freeze will happen sometime in the early October
> (exact date TBD).
>
> I will post another announcement on Saturday, with the exact list of
> apps, cloning instructions and a testing guide. Stay tuned!
>
> In the mean time, you can check out my blog for more details:
>
> http://www.informationisart.com/14/
>
> Please keep in mind that even though we're opening the localization to
> everyone, we cannot guarantee at this point that your locale will be
> shipped on the actual device anytime soon.
>
> Nonetheless, there are still many good reasons for you to play with Gaia
> l10n! We need you to test performance, stability, find localizability
> issues, start coming up with new vocabulary in your language etc. I
> encourage you to take part in this game-changing endeavor.
>
> Thanks, and expect more details on Saturday!
> -stas

[dynamis]

Hi Staś,

I'm happy to hear about string freeze and gaia-l10n repo.
We Japanese team already started working for gaia l10n and we'll commit
to the repogitory soon.

All localizers who can push to http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n can
already have right to push the new gaia-l10n repo?
http://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/ja/

Or should we request l10n access for the new gaia-l10n repo?

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[Axel Hecht]

On 25.09.12 10:08, dynamis wrote:
> Hi Staś,
>
> I'm happy to hear about string freeze and gaia-l10n repo.
> We Japanese team already started working for gaia l10n and we'll commit
> to the repogitory soon.
>
> All localizers who can push to http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n can
> already have right to push the new gaia-l10n repo?
> http://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/ja/
>
> Or should we request l10n access for the new gaia-l10n repo?

The permissions are set up for localizers, yes.

To make things show up on your dashboard, I'll need a poke.

Add your locale code to
https://l10n.etherpad.mozilla.org/community-gaia-list, so that I'll add
it to the builds.

Axel

[Pavel Franc]

>> All localizers who can push to http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n can
>> already have right to push the new gaia-l10n repo?
>> http://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/ja/
>>
>> Or should we request l10n access for the new gaia-l10n repo?
>
> The permissions are set up for localizers, yes.

$ hg push
pushing to ssh://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/cs
searching for changes
remote: adding changesets
remote: adding manifests
remote: adding file changes
remote: added 1 changesets with 1 changes to 1 files
remote: error: changegroup.z_loghistory hook raised an exception: [Errno
1] Operation not permitted: '/repo/hg/mozilla/gaia-l10n/cs/.hg/pushlog2.db'


It looks like some permissions are still missing.

Pavel

[Staś Małolepszy]

Yeah, I've been trying to get this fixed since Sunday :(

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793695

I'm waiting for IT to respond on IRC right now.

-stas

[Eduardo Trápani]

Hi,

Our work will be at: http://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/ab-CD

But where do we get the en-US texts from?

Eduardo.

[Staś Małolepszy]

https://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/en-US/

Please keep in mind that these strings there *are not frozen yet*. I'm
working with IT and the Gaia dev team to freeze as fast as possible,
but I'd recommend waiting for the official go-ahead from us. I'll make
sure to post here in the newsgroup as soon as we're ready.

If you start translating right now, you'll need to do an extra work of
reviewing all of your translated strings when the freeze is announced
and making sure they are still relevant to the en-US originals.

If you use compare-locales locally, you can use it's sister script
called compare-dirs (installed with compare-locales by default) to
compare en-US with your locale.

compare-dirs /path/to/en-US /path/to/ab-CD

-stas

>
> Eduardo.