Smart Bookmarks
Cédric Corazza
I open this thread as it might be of some interest to other locales and
maybe also to en-US one.
The French team first made a literal translation of Smart bookmarks
(Marque-pages intelligents) which is too long to fit into the button
space without being cut.
So, we seeked for shortening the only word that could be : "Smart"
(intelligents), as "Bookmarks" can't be changed. All the other
alternatives for "Smart" in our language, though shorter, were not
really appropriate in that context (futés, malins, rusés, ...).
So, we have been seeking for something without any of these words that
keep the semantic.
As a side note, even in English, "Smart Bookmarks" is not accurate as
there is a "Tags" item in it, though related to bookmarks, are not
"Bookmarks" (imo).
So, we ended in choosing "Index-book" or "File" (Classeur) which are the
closest words in English, though in French a "Classeur" is not static.
We rejected the equivalent of Catalog, Library or Directory which are
static.
Well, any thoughts or comments ?
Cédric
Mike Beltzner
> The French team first made a literal translation of Smart bookmarks
> (Marque-pages intelligents) which is too long to fit into the button
> space without being cut.
Yeah, I worried about the string length a little. Localizers should
always feel free to go with non-literal translations, especially if
there's some commonly used terms in applications that get the concepts
across.
> So, we seeked for shortening the only word that could be : "Smart"
> (intelligents), as "Bookmarks" can't be changed. All the other
> alternatives for "Smart" in our language, though shorter, were not
> really appropriate in that context (futés, malins, rusés, ...).
What do Windows and OSX call things like "Smart Queries" or "Smart
Searches" in french? Can we base the root of this label off of similar
concepts?
> As a side note, even in English, "Smart Bookmarks" is not accurate as
> there is a "Tags" item in it, though related to bookmarks, are not
> "Bookmarks" (imo).
We definitely wrestled with this. The point is that these are dynamic,
search-based folders which will be changing and reactive to the user's
needs. Most applications use "Smart" as a way of communicating that
concept: that the computer will be deciding for the user.
> So, we ended in choosing "Index-book" or "File" (Classeur) which are the
> closest words in English, though in French a "Classeur" is not static.
> We rejected the equivalent of Catalog, Library or Directory which are
> static.
> Well, any thoughts or comments ?
I would encourage you to think creatively about a label that will get
the idea of the folder's contents across, and not worry so much about
a literal translation.
cheers,
mike
wladow
> Hi,
> I open this thread as it might be of some interest to other locales and
> maybe also to en-US one.
> The French team first made a literal translation of Smart bookmarks
> (Marque-pages intelligents) which is too long to fit into the button
> space without being cut.
The same in sk, "Inteligentne zalozky" is really too long.
> So, we ended in choosing "Index-book" or "File" (Classeur) which are the
> closest words in English, though in French a "Classeur" is not static.
> We rejected the equivalent of Catalog, Library or Directory which are
> static.
> Well, any thoughts or comments ?
>
> Cédric
For now, we use "Rychle zalozky" (Quick bookmarks). "Rychle" is one of
many sk equivalents for english word "smart". This term primary doesn't
exactly mean the same what "smart bookmarks" does, but we don't have
other suitable solution now. Any possibility to use similar way of
translation in fr?
We will wait for B2 feedback. If there wont be proposed a better term,
we will probably use this.
--
wladow
Mozilla.sk
Michael Wolf
>
> The same in sk, "Inteligentne zalozky" is really too long.
...
> For now, we use "Rychle zalozky" (Quick bookmarks). "Rychle" is one of
> many sk equivalents for english word "smart". This term primary doesn't
> exactly mean the same what "smart bookmarks" does, but we don't have
> other suitable solution now. Any possibility to use similar way of
> translation in fr?
> We will wait for B2 feedback. If there wont be proposed a better term,
> we will probably use this.
And what about Slovak "múdre založky"? In Upper Sorbian it would be
"mudre zapołožki". I think "múdry" resp. "mudry" is near enough to the
meaning of "intelligent" and "smart".
wladow
> wladow napisa:
> And what about Slovak "múdre založky"? In Upper Sorbian it would be
> "mudre zapołožki". I think "múdry" resp. "mudry" is near enough to the
> meaning of "intelligent" and "smart".
>
Word "mudre" is a equivalent for en-us "clever". You are right, it is
close to meaning of "intelligent" and "smart" in general, but it is
unusable for software strings. This is not what we want to/can use at
the moment.
--
wladow
Mozilla.sk
Michael Wolf
> Word "mudre" is a equivalent for en-us "clever". You are right, it is
> close to meaning of "intelligent" and "smart" in general, but it is
> unusable for software strings. This is not what we want to/can use at
> the moment.
All of them, Smart, intelligent and clever, aren't appropriate for
Software strings. But they could be used in metaphoric sense. In German
there is a word "pfiffig" which IMO expresses a similar meaning like
smart and clever. It's similar to Slovak chytrý. Usually it marks a
person who is very clever in acting and thinking.
Francesco Lodolo
> What do Windows and OSX call things like "Smart Queries" or "Smart
> Searches" in french? Can we base the root of this label off of similar
> concepts?
folders" is "cartelle smart", so I decided to translate (at least for
now) only the word "bookmarks" ("Smart bookmarks" -> "Segnalibri smart").
Francesco.