Breton tranlators team
Giulia Fraboulet
Firefox and thunderbird are already translated in breton (fr_BR), but
there's no available official translation on the site of Mozilla. So I'd
like to create the team, to upload the translations. I posted a bug on
Bugzilla:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337732
Do I need to have a CVS access? If so, do I have to wait for the creation
of the team before I ask for my CVS account?
Thank you for your answers.
Giulia
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Cédric Corazza
You did not open the bug with the good component.
See this page on how to and change your buq to fit the instructions.
BTW, just for kidding, you'll have to change your signature on this list
for something like:
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http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ ;-) :-D
A French fellow
Cédric Corazza
Giulia Fraboulet
<cedric....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Giulia,
>
> You did not open the bug with the good component.
> See this page on how to and change your buq to fit the instructions.
But I thought I have to file a bug to ask for the creation of the team,
and then ask for CVS account, isn't it? (I saw that on the how to page:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/l10n/registration.html So I have to: 1.
create the team, and 2.ask for a cvs account, no?
Cédric Corazza
I think Axel will guide you soon through the arcanes of building up a
team and get cvs account. (Axel 'Pike' Hecht is the people in charge of
localisation)
John Wilcock
> Firefox and thunderbird are already translated in breton (fr_BR)
I think you mean br_FR (fr_BR would be French as spoken in Brazil!)
Toni Hermoso Pulido
> Giulia Fraboulet wrote:
>> Firefox and thunderbird are already translated in breton (fr_BR)
>
> I think you mean br_FR (fr_BR would be French as spoken in Brazil!)
Yes, he is right :)
Follow these rules:
http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Simple_locale_names
«br» would indeed suffice.
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For which, ask ISO.
mg
On 16 May 2006, at 06:13, scríobh John Wilcock:
> Giulia Fraboulet wrote:
>
>> Firefox and thunderbird are already translated in breton (fr_BR)
>>
>
> I think you mean br_FR (fr_BR would be French as spoken in Brazil!)
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John Wilcock
> I think the proper answer is to use the ISO code for Breizh.
> For which, ask ISO.
ISO 639 stipulates 'br' for Breton - I'd already checked that before
replying.
John.
Giulia Fraboulet
<ton...@softcatala.org> wrote:
> Al 16/05/06 08:13, En/na John Wilcock ha escrit:
>> Giulia Fraboulet wrote:
>>> Firefox and thunderbird are already translated in breton (fr_BR)
>>
>> I think you mean br_FR (fr_BR would be French as spoken in Brazil!)
>
> Yes, he is right :)
>
> Follow these rules:
> http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Simple_locale_names
>
> «br» would indeed suffice.
>
>
Ok, sorry... sometimes I see br_FR for br or Fr_BR, I a bit lost :p Thank
you.
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Marion Gunn
code for Breizh, John - please do that before repying again).
mg
On 16 May 2006, at 10:00, scríobh John Wilcock:
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John Wilcock
> I said 'Breizh', not 'Brezhoneg', (you still need to check the ISO code
> for Breizh, John - please do that before repying again).
Marion, how about being less cryptic and actually providing some useful
information?
Anyway, after realising that Breizh is the region and Brezhoneg the
language, I can confirm that "br" is the ISO-639-1 language code for the
Breton language. "FR-E" is the ISO-3166-2 code for the French
administrative region "Bretagne", which I suppose is the nearest
equivalent to "Breizh".
But Mozilla locale codes (a) only use ISO-3166-1 country codes, not
ISO-3166-2 subdivision codes; and (b) as Toni pointed out, if a given
language is only used in a single region then the locale code doesn't
need to include any geographic code anyway. So unless anyone's planning
to produce distinct vannetais (Gwened) and KLT dialect variants of the
localisation, we don't care.
Marion Gunn
16 May 2006, at 12:09, scríobh John Wilcock:
> ... "FR-E" is the ISO-3166-2 code for the French administrative
> region "Bretagne",
Full marks, John, for confirming that.
> which I suppose is the nearest equivalent to "Breizh".
Perhaps you also see (as I do not) how well-matched "Breizh" and "FR-
E" are?:-)
>
> But Mozilla locale codes (a) only use ISO-3166-1 country codes, not
> ISO-3166-2 subdivision codes; and ... So unless anyone's planning
> to produce... we don't care.
True, you don't _have_ to care about 3166 code mismatches, but some
people do, and I just thought that you might be one of us.
The people of Brittany can, if they move swiftly and determinedly
into talks with ISO and/or AFNOR, secure the normal use of code BZ
for Breizh).
This has many advantages, including the ability to encode French as
spoken in Breizh as FR-BZ.
In this, one can learn from Irish speakers who once were so trusting
as not to act swiftly and independently enough to secure a proper
code at the right time for Irish (GA) spoken north of the border in
my country, viz., GA-UK (which we want to use because Northern
Ireland is in the UK administrative region, and UK the code for Irish
websites located there).
However, there is US opposition to our requests and unreasonable US
pressure on us to use GA-GB instead (which is misleading nonsense, as
Northern Ireland is not in Great Britain and there are no Irish-
speaking communities in Great Britain).
As long as some big countries with too much influence over such
matters at present seem unwilling to even admit their mistakes (still
less correct them), smaller nations need to be less trusting.
I do hope you find this msg less cryptic.
Kenavo,
mg
Giulia Fraboulet
>>
>> But Mozilla locale codes (a) only use ISO-3166-1 country codes, not
>> ISO-3166-2 subdivision codes; and ... So unless anyone's planning to
>> produce... we don't care.
>
> True, you don't _have_ to care about 3166 code mismatches, but some
> people do, and I just thought that you might be one of us.
>
> The people of Brittany can, if they move swiftly and determinedly into
> talks with ISO and/or AFNOR, secure the normal use of code BZ for
> Breizh).
>
> This has many advantages, including the ability to encode French as
> spoken in Breizh as FR-BZ.
Sorry, but I don't understand everything in this conversation... Anyway, I
don't care to have a br-FR code or anything else. We just need to have a
team ;) and br alone is used in every other breton translations.
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Axel Hecht
Let me say that this message may be less cryptic, but is even more off
topic.
I don't really want to challenge you, but what is the practical impact
of french spoken in Breizh (which I realized by now, lucky me, I waited
long enough on this thread, is a region) on a Mozilla localization?
And, if you're talking about "US", do you talk about the Mozilla
Foundation, Mozilla Corporation, Bush, Sr., Jr., Microsoft, or what?
If you're into battles about what is a language and what is not, and
whether something needs to marked up exactly, you're in the wrong spot.
Like, for fr as an example, the team has not only people in it with
french passports, but canadians as well.
Things like this are really non-software part-of-real-life nits that I
generously WONTFIX.
Axel
Marion Gunn
On 16 May 2006, at 22:25, scríobh Giulia Fraboulet:
> Sorry, but I don't understand everything in this conversation...
> Anyway, I don't care to have a br-FR code or anything else.
I understand. Understand that, regardless of your not caring to have
'br-FR', that is, in fact, what you MUST use, in the wide commercial
world - where 'ne deuz ked a enebour bihan'.:-)
> We just need to have a team ;) and br alone is used in every other
> breton translations.
Of course it is, and I wish you every success with that.
mg
Marion Gunn
On 17 May 2006, at 00:02, scríobh Axel Hecht:
> ...
> Things like this are really non-software part-of-real-life nits
> that I generously WONTFIX.
>
> Axel
Happily, nobody is asking you to do so, Axel!
In real life, it is possible to CHANGE things we were told were
immutable. In fact, code GB has only very recently been radically
redefined to EXCLUDE territories outside Great Britain formerly
WRONGLY included under code GB. Ask your National ISO Body for details.
Note that ISO_FDIS_3166-1__B (ask your local ISO National Body) is
currrently out for review. Again, ask your National ISO Body for a
copy (better still, then go on offer to work voluntarily for your NB,
to watch out for and restore any balance being pulled out of sync by
commercial interests). Same goes for 3166-2, 639, etc., etc.
Remember, although history shows empire generally ‘bestowing’ its
preferred nomenclature on small nations’ languages, territories and
cultures; paradoxically, history also shows small nations generally
outliving empire.:-)
Robert Kaiser
>
> On 16 May 2006, at 22:25, scríobh Giulia Fraboulet:
>> Sorry, but I don't understand everything in this conversation...
>> Anyway, I don't care to have a br-FR code or anything else.
>
> I understand. Understand that, regardless of your not caring to have
> 'br-FR', that is, in fact, what you MUST use, in the wide commercial
> world - where 'ne deuz ked a enebour bihan'.:-)
For all CVS-based localizations within the Mozilla project, using 'br'
alone is not only sufficient but also preferred - BTW, that's also what
RFC 3066 teaches us :)
Robert Kaiser
Marion Gunn
>
> For all CVS-based localizations within the Mozilla project, using
> 'br' alone is not only sufficient but also preferred - BTW, that's
> also what
> RFC 3066 teaches us :)
It is - yet one more teaching perhaps more people can understand now.:-)
All the best,
Giulia Fraboulet
the creation of a team? And how does it work after that.
Thanks,
Giulia
Benoit
> Hello again. I'd like to know how long usually do we have to wait before
> the creation of a team? And how does it work after that.
I think you should get yourself listed on
<http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Localization_Teams#Teams_with_no_locales_in_bugzilla_or_CVS>
under a new section "Breton (br)". There should be a link to your
registration bug (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337732)
and maybe a link to your website. I'm not sure you have to do it
yourself or ask for it, as I can't see no edit policy on this page.
The next step is to list the names of the team members requiring CVS
access[1] (it may be only you). A bug should be opened for anyone of
them, there are many examples of CVS access requests on this wiki page.
In that bug, you should attach an SSH public key[2] (keeping the private
key in a safe place, you will need it later). You will also need to fill
a form[3], fax it to the Mozilla Foundation and send the original via
postal mail.
The whole process can take from a few weeks to several months, some
people get discouraged before that. I think it is some sort of
motivation test :)
[1] http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/getting-cvs-write-access.html
[2] http://www.mozilla.org/cvs-ssh-faq.html
[3] http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/form.html
P.S. You may find some help on irc.mozilla.org, #l10n and, of course,
our very own #frenchmoz :)
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FrenchMozilla l10n Team
Giulia Fraboulet
understand now why the breton translators didn't... I think most people
don't have so much time to waste for such "adminstration" :/
On Fri, 19 May 2006 19:50:16 +0200, Benoit <ben...@invalid.mozilla.org>
wrote:
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I've sent the fax and the post-mail, at the end, for my cvs request
account. But I need a voucher (as said on the bugfile for cvs account:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338066). Who can vouch for
me? Axel Hecht I presume?
Thank you.
Giulia Fraboulet
But I need a voucher (as said on the bugfile for cvs account:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338066). Who can vouch for
> me? Axel Hecht I presume?
> Thank you.
Who can vouch for me?
>
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