Strings to describe the generic concept of "devices"
Alex Faaborg
data (bookmarks, history, passwords, etc) on anything running Firefox.
Firefox (or Firefox Home) is now running on both an increasing large number
of platforms (Linux / OS X / Windows / Android / Meego / Meamo / iOS) and an
increasing large number of form factors (desktop / laptop / phone / slate /
tablet / etc).
We now need a generic term that is more general than "computer" to describe
the things on which Firefox runs. In particular, this is now coming up with
design work on how you activate Firefox sync on a second device. The device
you are activating could really be anything (computer, phone, etc), and
since we won't know what you are trying to activate ahead of time, in
preferences we are considering the generic string "Add a Device."
Full mockups are here:
http://people.mozilla.com/~faaborg/files/firefox4Mockups/jpakeFlow-i1/jpakeFlow-i1.htm<http://people.mozilla.com/%7Efaaborg/files/firefox4Mockups/jpakeFlow-i1/jpakeFlow-i1.htm>
Do other languages have usually a concept that could describe any hardware
format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
-Alex
flod
> Do other languages have usually a concept that could describe any hardware
> format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
Francesco
Sasa Tekovic
> Do other languages have usually a concept that could describe any hardware
> format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
Hi,
in Croatian we usually use term "device" (uređaj) in situations like
this, so there is no problem with Croatian language.
Cheers!
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Matjaz Horvat
translation.
Matjaž
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Alexander L. Slovesnik
06.11.2010 03:43 you wrote:
> Do other languages have usually a concept that could describe any hardware
> format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
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Benoit
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> Do other languages have usually a concept that could describe any hardware
> format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
Hi Alex,
This is indeed a concept a little difficult to grasp in French.
Traditionally, in various operating systems and for things like mouses
or printers attached to a computer, it is translated as "périphérique"
(=peripheral in English). This doesn't work well for a phone or tablet
which can work by itself without any computer.
We can use "appareil" (=apparatus in English) or "équipement" for these,
but this, in turn, doesn't work so well for a computer.
If the concept of "device" is kept like in your mockups, we will
probably have to translate this as "other computer or device".
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Robert Kaiser
> Do other languages have usually a concept that could describe any hardware
> format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
"Gerät" in German should just work fine for that.
Robert Kaiser
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> Do other languages have usually a concept that could describe any hardware
> format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
>
> -Alex
No problem in SL: Naprava works just fine in the context.
Regards
smo.
Tim Babych
> Do other languages have usually a concept that could describe any hardware
> format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
No problem for Ukrainian here.
The word is "пристрій" for the sake of linguistical roll call :)
F Wolff
> Firefox 4 will have a sync feature that allows you to access all of your
> data (bookmarks, history, passwords, etc) on anything running Firefox.
> Firefox (or Firefox Home) is now running on both an increasing large number
> of platforms (Linux / OS X / Windows / Android / Meego / Meamo / iOS) and an
> increasing large number of form factors (desktop / laptop / phone / slate /
> tablet / etc).
>
> We now need a generic term that is more general than "computer" to describe
> the things on which Firefox runs. In particular, this is now coming up with
> design work on how you activate Firefox sync on a second device. The device
> you are activating could really be anything (computer, phone, etc), and
> since we won't know what you are trying to activate ahead of time, in
> preferences we are considering the generic string "Add a Device."
>
> Full mockups are here:
> http://people.mozilla.com/~faaborg/files/firefox4Mockups/jpakeFlow-i1/jpakeFlow-i1.htm<http://people.mozilla.com/%7Efaaborg/files/firefox4Mockups/jpakeFlow-i1/jpakeFlow-i1.htm>
>
> format that Firefox might be running on, that can stand in for "device"?
An alternative I'm thinking of now is to emphasise the software rather
than the hardware. In other words, we might want to refer to "Firefox
on another device", rather than just "another device". We probably can't
get rid of references to the hardware entirely, and we might not even
want to, but referring to the software might help to emphasise that this
is a Firefox feature (in other words, it doesn't work with the iPhone
unless you have Firefox home installed).
In Afrikaans I can probably use the translation for "device" without too
many problems, but it doesn't remind all that strongly of desktop
computers. I'm thinking of alternatives in the direction of "machine"
and "system".
Friedel
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Eduard Gamonal
translation of "device" in Catalan is fine in this context.
Edu
Wim Benes
page, I came to the following:
For Dutch and Frisian "devices" can be translated with "apparaten", when
you are pointing to different kinds of hardware.
But when on the page http://www.mozilla.com/en-GB/m/beta.html I would
rather use the word "modellen".
This might even be the case in English.
Kind regards,
Wim benes
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Benjamin Smedberg
> We now need a generic term that is more general than "computer" to describe
> the things on which Firefox runs. In particular, this is now coming up with
I'm a little surprised that this is necessary. All of the devices you
mentioned are in fact computers. Can't we just keep using "computer" to
describe all of these devices? Are we concerned that most people don't think
of their smartphone as a computer, and won't understand what button to click?
--BDS
Alex Faaborg
> Can't we just keep using "computer" to describe all of these devices? Are
> we concerned that most people don't think of their smartphone as a computer,
> and won't understand what button to click?
Yeah, that's basically our concern. Depending on the type of device, the
term computer doesn't seem to apply to the full range of potential form
factors. For instance:
desktop: very much a computer
laptop: still mostly a computer
iPad: kind of, but not really
Phone: definitely not a computer
As suggested earlier in the thread, using something along the lines of "Add
a computer or other device" would be fine in the event that the term device
by itself doesn't feel descriptive enough to capture the full range of
hardware.
-Alex
Ehsan Akhgari
other languages have an equivalent to "Device" (Persian doesn't, and I
suspect that it's not alone in our 70+ supported languages).
On 10-11-09 2:18 PM, Alex Faaborg wrote:
>>
>> Can't we just keep using "computer" to describe all of these devices? Are
>> we concerned that most people don't think of their smartphone as a computer,
>> and won't understand what button to click?
>
>
> Yeah, that's basically our concern. Depending on the type of device, the
> term computer doesn't seem to apply to the full range of potential form
> factors. For instance:
>
> desktop: very much a computer
> laptop: still mostly a computer
> iPad: kind of, but not really
> Phone: definitely not a computer
>
> As suggested earlier in the thread, using something along the lines of "Add
> a computer or other device" would be fine in the event that the term device
> by itself doesn't feel descriptive enough to capture the full range of
> hardware.
Can't we just use images to resolve the ambiguity here, instead of
relying on words?
Ehsan