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[Michael Moroni]

HI you all,
I'm new to this list so I'm going to present myself
My name is Michael, I'm 23 and I come from Italy, near Milan.
I translate into Esperanto many free software programs such as Ubuntu
and Launchpad software (I'm the main translator) and LibreOffice.
I'd like to correct some translation for Mozilla Firefox and start to
translate Thunderburd even if its development has been interrupted.
How can I do that?
Thank you very much,
- MM

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[flod]

Il 25/02/13 08:36, Michael Moroni ha scritto:

> My name is Michael, I'm 23 and I come from Italy, near Milan.

Hi Michael,
Francesco from Brescia, I guess we don't live very far from each other ;-)

About Firefox, the first step should probably be to contact Eduardo
Trápani (if he doesn't answer on this list)
https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Teams:eo

I also see that you are already listed on this page. An alternative
would be to open new bugs on BugZilla (Mozilla Localizations->eo), but
not all teams are comfortable using it to track localization issues.

Some info about starting a Thunderbird localization are available on the
Wiki [1] [2], but I'm not sure what's the current situation about adding
new locales to Thunderbird.

Francesco

[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Starting_a_localization
[2] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Localization_Quick_Start_Guide

[Michael Bauer]

I should add that I contacted both Eduardo and Michael (based on the
https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Teams:eo list) on the 22 Feb but that I
have had no response from Eduardo. He may in time still respond but
because Eduardo is the currently listed maintainer, we should sort out
who's the active maintainer first before Michael starts working as he
was indicating he'd like to do it via Locamotion - plus there's the
issue of signoffs etc.

I think what we've done before is that if the current maintainer doesn't
respond within a reasonable timeframe that we make the new person
co-maintainer.

Thoughts?

Michael

25/02/2013 07:36, sgrìobh Michael Moroni:

> HI you all,
> I'm new to this list so I'm going to present myself

> My name is Michael, I'm 23 and I come from Italy, near Milan.

[Aleksej]

On 2013-02-25 11:36, Michael Moroni wrote:
> I'd like to correct some translation for Mozilla Firefox and start to
> translate Thunderburd even if its development has been interrupted.
> How can I do that?

Hi. While you are not the maintainer, you should file bugs in Bugzilla
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/>, assign them to yourself, and add
patches. That way they won’t be lost.

[Aleksej]

On 2013-02-25 17:44, Michael Bauer wrote:
> I should add that I contacted both Eduardo and Michael (based on the
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Teams:eo list) on the 22 Feb but that I
> have had no response from Eduardo. He may in time still respond but
> because Eduardo is the currently listed maintainer, we should sort out
> who's the active maintainer first before Michael starts working as he
> was indicating he'd like to do it via Locamotion - plus there's the
> issue of signoffs etc.

Benno has also been contributing in January.

[Eduardo Trápani]

> He may in time still respond but
> because Eduardo is the currently listed maintainer, we should sort out
> who's the active maintainer first before Michael starts working as he
> was indicating he'd like to do it via Locamotion - plus there's the
> issue of signoffs etc.

I guess that active maintainership means, well, being green before
releases, keeping up with the new release cycle, doing sign-offs,
receiving suggestions, correction and modifications and commiting them
to hg and svn, coordinating and translating also the web part of the
localization, reporting bugs for l10n-wide issues, etc. After many
years of this, uninterrupted, I do hope it takes more than a couple of
days of silence to change that status...

First, short answer for Michael Moroni and anybody willing to help with
the Esperanto localization of Mozilla products (yes, please do help!):

Come to:

https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/community-esperanto

Follows a longer answer, trying to mention the issues brought up and
some suggestions to move forward:

I've already talked to Michael Moroni a while ago on translations. He
has proposed some changes to existing ones, and some of them (with a
rather big impact, like the global translation for "tab") were accepted.
At the time I filed a set of bugs[1] on his behalf, mentioning his name
and asking him to join the conversation on Bugzilla (he hasn't done that
yet). That is what the current team has been doing, communicating via
bugzilla+patches+irc and it has proven effective so far.

Narro for Esperanto[2] is enabled, but it's been a while (a full
release) since I imported to hg. Michael, how about taking Thunderbird
from there? Usually I ask new contributors to come up with a working
version (because sadly many people have great ideas but not always the
time to pursue them). Maybe you could translate the most exposed parts
of the Thunderbird UI and then the others can check it. I know that a
couple of us use Thunderbird (I do and I'd be willing to check your
translation). But, *before* jumping into administrative rights and
titles, I'd rather see something working first. Maybe you could use the
work of eozilla.de as a base (try contacting him first).

Michael, keep in mind that what I cannot guarantee, though, is that all
your proposals will make it to the actual product. I know you have
strong views on some issues. There are (sometimes lengthy) discussions
about the correct translations and the outcome does not always leave
everybody happy. For example, I had used for many years a translation
for "bookmark" that was later changed by another that the community
considered more appropriate. I liked the older one better, but that
didn't stop me from commiting the new one.

In you case, this bug[3] (part of [1]) triggered this two set of changes
in hg[4][5] (that should have been noted in the bug report). As you see
your proposal was taken into account. Take for example another good
example of your proposals (langeto/folio), that of bug 784374[6]. It
went right in, globally. No problem commiting it even though there was
at least one reasonable objection to it in Bugzilla.

So, if you want to *propose* modifications (and please consider that
does include the possibly of them being turned down), just keep on doing
it as you were (it'd be good if you filed the bug reports yourself
though, and diffs would be even better). I guess you cannot complain.
But if it is about a specific translation being it just the way you want
it to be ... that's a different story. That's not what maintainership
is for.

That being said, nothing stops anybody from using another tool, feeding
on hg (and/or svn for the web pages), and then sending the patches or
even the full translation either by email or via bugzilla or announcing
it to the newly created email list created with the purpose of making
communication easier (thanks Carlos Valim "Coragem" for that[7]):

https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/community-esperanto

Let's go over there and discuss all the issues! Dev-l10n might not be
the right place for it and there are more people willing to contribute
waiting there.

> I think what we've done before is that if the current maintainer doesn't
> respond within a reasonable timeframe that we make the new person
> co-maintainer.

Even maintainers can enjoy a full off-line real-life weekend, can't they? ;)

Friendly, Eduardo.

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781833
[2] http://a.maimult.ro/lmo/projects.php?l=eo
[3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784434
[4] http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/eo/rev/cdbac1ca462a
[5] http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/eo/rev/35c1140efe41
[6] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784374
[7] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=841571

[Michael Bauer]

Of course it would - I was just working through the potential scenario
of you having fallen off the face of the earth - it sometimes happens,
we had that with Georgian some time ago for example.

Good to see you're still on the disk!

Michael

25/02/2013 20:30, sgrìobh Eduardo Trápani:

[Michael Wolf]

Hello all,

AFAIK there is no official translation of Thunderbird into Esperanto.
There is an unofficial Esperanto translation made by me. But I don¨t
have any time more, I concentrate on the Sorbian translations for
Firefox and Thunderbird. The last version I translated was TB 3.1.9.

You can download the translations from here:

Windows build: http://thunderbird.eozilla.de/thunderbird-3.1.9.eo.win32.zip

Linux build:
http://thunderbird.eozilla.de/thunderbird-3.1.9.eo.linux-i686.tar.bz2

Language pack:
http://thunderbird.eozilla.de/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.19.eo.langpack.xpi

If you have any questions I will help youu with pleasure.

Regards/Amike,

Michael Wolf

[Michael Moroni]

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I didn't read yet how to start translating, I'm writing this email
offline so I can't check anything.
How can I reuse your translation and start new one?

[Axel Hecht]

I'm not convinced that adding localizations to Thunderbird is something
we should do.

Mark?

Axel