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flod
Jan 3, 2013, 1:27:29 AM1/3/13
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Hi,
first of all happy 2013 to everyone out there ;-)
Here some of my doubts/questions about Gaia. I thought it would be
better to start a new thread instead of using the old one about moving
locales.
*Desktop builds*
I've started used desktop builds a couple days ago, and while my locale
is completely translated I can always find strings that remain in
English (e.g. the list of timezones or "Email address" in the first time
screen). Am I supposed to ignore these or report bugs?
*Complete testing*
It's clear that desktop builds are great to test most of the interface,
but some parts can't obviously work (SIM, phone calls, etc.). Is there
already a plan to fix or work around this?
*l10n problems*
Time format: I think I set my time format right, but it keeps showing
7:20 PM instead of 19:20. Are other people having the same problem?
Option label vs Title: in settings I have one option called
"Archiviazione multimediale", it's long but it fits in the interface.
When I select it the same string is used as a title for the the page,
with a gigantic font, and it's not displayed completely ("Archiviazione
multimedi..."). This doesn't sound right at all.
Are we planning for having at least a bit of flexibility in the interface?
Example 1:
http://www.yetanothertechblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/keyboard.png
Original string: " French, German, Norwegian Bokmal, Slovak, Turkish"
Translated string: "Francese, tedesco, norvegese (bokmål), slovacco, turco"
To be pretty honest I don't think that even the English string fit in
that tiny space (but I didn't check).
Example 2:
http://www.yetanothertechblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/usb.png
Original string: "USB mass storage enabled"
First thought: I think that string is wrong, it should be "Enable USB
mass storage". And look, even English can fit in :-)
Second thought: if I want to translate this into something meaningful,
I'll probably need more than one line of text.
Francesco
first of all happy 2013 to everyone out there ;-)
Here some of my doubts/questions about Gaia. I thought it would be
better to start a new thread instead of using the old one about moving
locales.
*Desktop builds*
I've started used desktop builds a couple days ago, and while my locale
is completely translated I can always find strings that remain in
English (e.g. the list of timezones or "Email address" in the first time
screen). Am I supposed to ignore these or report bugs?
*Complete testing*
It's clear that desktop builds are great to test most of the interface,
but some parts can't obviously work (SIM, phone calls, etc.). Is there
already a plan to fix or work around this?
*l10n problems*
Time format: I think I set my time format right, but it keeps showing
7:20 PM instead of 19:20. Are other people having the same problem?
Option label vs Title: in settings I have one option called
"Archiviazione multimediale", it's long but it fits in the interface.
When I select it the same string is used as a title for the the page,
with a gigantic font, and it's not displayed completely ("Archiviazione
multimedi..."). This doesn't sound right at all.
Are we planning for having at least a bit of flexibility in the interface?
Example 1:
http://www.yetanothertechblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/keyboard.png
Original string: " French, German, Norwegian Bokmal, Slovak, Turkish"
Translated string: "Francese, tedesco, norvegese (bokmål), slovacco, turco"
To be pretty honest I don't think that even the English string fit in
that tiny space (but I didn't check).
Example 2:
http://www.yetanothertechblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/usb.png
Original string: "USB mass storage enabled"
First thought: I think that string is wrong, it should be "Enable USB
mass storage". And look, even English can fit in :-)
Second thought: if I want to translate this into something meaningful,
I'll probably need more than one line of text.
Francesco
Axel Hecht
Jan 3, 2013, 5:41:50 AM1/3/13
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Thanks for the report.
Mind filing bugs on each and request blocking-basecamp on each of the
localization issues? I guess they're all bugs, and may very well affect
either Spanish or Portugese, if Italian is hit. If you want to give it
better chances of blocking, try to reproduce the bug in Spanish? And
yes, the keyboard choice is a funny one, doesn't fit in en-US either.
For the desktop vs. device testing, yeah. Maybe running the emulator
builds would help, but I personally haven't looked at anything in that
direction really closely. Best answer is of course to get hardware to
you guys, and we're talking about that. Who's gonna get devices once we
get some, is a different difficult question.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gecko/Using_the_B2G_emulators
looks hairy, seems that one had to build the emulator builds yourself.
If someone here would like to take a stab at creating multi-locale
emulator builds and report back on their usefulness, that'd be great.
Axel
Mind filing bugs on each and request blocking-basecamp on each of the
localization issues? I guess they're all bugs, and may very well affect
either Spanish or Portugese, if Italian is hit. If you want to give it
better chances of blocking, try to reproduce the bug in Spanish? And
yes, the keyboard choice is a funny one, doesn't fit in en-US either.
For the desktop vs. device testing, yeah. Maybe running the emulator
builds would help, but I personally haven't looked at anything in that
direction really closely. Best answer is of course to get hardware to
you guys, and we're talking about that. Who's gonna get devices once we
get some, is a different difficult question.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gecko/Using_the_B2G_emulators
looks hairy, seems that one had to build the emulator builds yourself.
If someone here would like to take a stab at creating multi-locale
emulator builds and report back on their usefulness, that'd be great.
Axel
Archaeopteryx
Jan 3, 2013, 9:30:13 AM1/3/13
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> *Desktop builds*
> I've started used desktop builds a couple days ago, and while my locale
> is completely translated I can always find strings that remain in
> English (e.g. the list of timezones or "Email address" in the first time
> screen). Am I supposed to ignore these or report bugs?
Both have already been filed:
> I've started used desktop builds a couple days ago, and while my locale
> is completely translated I can always find strings that remain in
> English (e.g. the list of timezones or "Email address" in the first time
> screen). Am I supposed to ignore these or report bugs?
"Email address": https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=824621
"Timezones": https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=823125
> *l10n problems*
> Time format: I think I set my time format right, but it keeps showing
> 7:20 PM instead of 19:20. Are other people having the same problem?
> Option label vs Title: in settings I have one option called
> "Archiviazione multimediale", it's long but it fits in the interface.
> When I select it the same string is used as a title for the the page,
> with a gigantic font, and it's not displayed completely ("Archiviazione
> multimedi..."). This doesn't sound right at all.
from http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/03/daily-chart-21
There are some strings where I don't see a chance to make them fit into
one line at the current text size.
Bye
Archaeopteryx
flod
Jan 4, 2013, 2:03:18 AM1/4/13
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Il 03/01/2013 15:30, Archaeopteryx ha scritto:
> Both have already been filed:
Argh, I always trust the "autocomplete list of related bugs" when you
> Both have already been filed:
create a new bug, I should stop and search before opening duplicates :-(
> Yes, same here.
I think I found the problem (I thought I already replied to the list but
I don't see my message anywhere).
I set my time format here
http://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/it/file/7c24969d2acc/apps/system/system.properties#l17
But not here
http://hg.mozilla.org/gaia-l10n/it/file/7c24969d2acc/shared/date/date.properties#l103
Once changed in date.properties it's displayed correctly, I guess other
locales should check that too (I don't think many European languages use
AM/PM).
> Someone should dole out each frontend developer a copy of statistics
> from http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/03/daily-chart-21
> There are some strings where I don't see a chance to make them fit
> into one line at the current text size.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826221
Francesco
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