[iOS] Sign-offs start Monday

[Jeffrey Beatty]

Hey everyone,

We're going to start the sign-off process for Firefox for iOS 2.0 on
Monday. So far, 35 out of 57 locales are in a good state for sign-offs.
Please take the weekend to bring your locale up-to-date so that we can ship
good l10n updates to your users. If you have any questions, please let me
know.

Thanks,
Jeff

[Baurzhan Muftakhidinov]

Hi,
Will there be system-independent locale switching?

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[Jeffrey Beatty]

Hi Baurzhan,

At this time, that's not on the roadmap. Since we really don't have any
barriers for shipping locales on iOS (the system language settings are very
robust and Apple's working to quickly add more and more language support),
I'm not sure if there's a use case for it like there was with Android.
Could anyone speak to this and whether it's a feature our global users
would need?

Thanks,
Jeff

[Michael Bauer]

Oh drat and I've been pushing this to folk already.

iOS is the same mixed hotchpotch of locales Android is, just a different
flavour. Neither support Scots Gaelic. Which means, well, you know what...

Doesn't matter if it's iOS or Android, some locales are *always* getting
shafted on one, the other or both...

Michael

Sgrìobh Jeffrey Beatty na leanas 22/01/2016 aig 16:02:

> Hi Baurzhan,
>
> At this time, that's not on the roadmap. Since we really don't have any
> barriers for shipping locales on iOS (the system language settings are very
> robust and Apple's working to quickly add more and more language support),
> I'm not sure if there's a use case for it like there was with Android.
> Could anyone speak to this and whether it's a feature our global users
> would need?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff

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[Jeffrey Beatty]

2016-01-22 9:05 GMT-07:00 Michael Bauer <fi...@akerbeltz.org>:

> Oh drat and I've been pushing this to folk already.
>
> iOS is the same mixed hotchpotch of locales Android is, just a different
> flavour. Neither support Scots Gaelic. Which means, well, you know what...
>

> Not exactly. iOS's language support is much better than Android. I'm
looking at my iOS device right now and see both Scots and Scottish Gaelic
present in the list. :-)

Jeff

> Doesn't matter if it's iOS or Android, some locales are *always* getting
> shafted on one, the other or both...
>
> Michael
>
> Sgrìobh Jeffrey Beatty na leanas 22/01/2016 aig 16:02:
>
>> Hi Baurzhan,
>>
>> At this time, that's not on the roadmap. Since we really don't have any
>> barriers for shipping locales on iOS (the system language settings are
>> very
>> robust and Apple's working to quickly add more and more language support),
>> I'm not sure if there's a use case for it like there was with Android.
>> Could anyone speak to this and whether it's a feature our global users
>> would need?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>>
>
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[Michael Bauer]

Hey Jeff,

Thanks for that - you must have some hot off the shelf version of iOS, I
walk into a shop a few times a year to check the locales on iPhones and
iPads and a couple of months back, nothing was new about Gaelic. Which
is good news for Gaelic. But how about the other likely locales? hsb dsb?

I still think such a feature is needed in the long run. There will
always be unsupported locales. If we picked up a Pitjantjatjara team
tomorrow, we'd either have to develop manual selection in a hurry or
wait for Apple to add it 15 years later.

Plus there is always the odd assumption that people want everything in
the same language. I think most of us who are bi or multilingual have a
mix of UI language (where we can select this), sometimes because it's
just fun to have something in a different language or for learning
purposes or because the translation of a particular locale is bad (I
know some German desktop programs I avoid for that reason) or some other
reason.

We give the user a thousand choices, from zoom to tab behaviour but when
it comes to user languages, suddenly choice is an unloved child? I don't
get that.

Michael

Sgrìobh Jeffrey Beatty na leanas 22/01/2016 aig 16:12:

> Not exactly. iOS's language support is much better than Android. I'm
> looking at my iOS device right now and see both Scots and Scottish
> Gaelic present in the list. :-)
>
> Jeff

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[Jeffrey Beatty]

I'm curious how you're looking up languages. iOS has two language settings:
iOS localization and preferred language. Preferred language functions
similarly to the accept-language header settings in a browser but it's used
to set a default language preference for both websites and app
localizations. If an app is localized into a language that iOS isn't, the
user can still use the app's localization through the preferred language
setting.

We were careful in the first launch to only ship locales that both Xcode
would build into the app and would be accessible through the preferred
languages setting. There's only been one locale so far that has not fit
this criteria. Sure, no mobile OS perfectly supports all languages. Apple
seems to be more concerned with language support, however.

Your point about choice is a very important one and should be the primary
non-technical factor in determining whether to implement such a feature.
There are also technical factors that must be considered (e.g., can an iOS
app have language preference settings that override both the iOS
localization and preferred language settings?). We haven't looked into it
thus far because of how good the iOS support is currently. Stefan might be
able to speak to that more. I agree that it's certainly worth investigating
for the sake of allowing for choice.

Jeff

[Fjoerfoks]

Hi Michael,


I second that.
That's what I like about the Android-version of Firefox, but I also
understand the difficulties for delivering all languages.
Either way, we need to keep triggering developers to make language a
user-choice too.

Wim