Fwd: Re: British Dictionary - Forked by me

[Marco A.G.Pinto]

PS->Last night I sent this e-mail to the ML but it was awaiting
approval because it was too big due to my signature image.
I am resending it with the signature removed.


Hello Mark!

On 09/09/2013 18:01, Mark Tyndall wrote:
> Hi Marco,
>
> sorry for not responding.
>
> I think David has moved on from the dictionary; he didn't reply to the
> last mail I sent either. I've only ever packaged up the dictionary
> for AMO (it is compatible with current versions of Fx, TB and SM, as
> noted on AMO).
>
> I was always wary of updating the dictionary, since the licence was
> previously incompatible. However, I believe that now LGPL2
> dictionaries can be bundled with the Mozilla products, so it is
> probably time to:
> a) update the dictionary (which you've started on - hooray!)
> b) work to get it included as part of Fx/TB/SM rather than as a
> separate download.
>
> If you want, I'd be glad to work with you on this.
>
> cheers,
>
> Mark.
>
> PS very interesting about "antivirus" - I would have assumed it would
> be hyphenated, but it appears not.
> PPS worryingly, I can find no record in bugzilla of Lucas' fork
> (which is, as far as I can tell, technically not needed) replacing
> mine on https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/language-tools/ or of
> any emails, NG discussion etc.
>

It would be great if *a)* and *b)* should become a reality.

I have a great interest in helping the community and I am involved in
several international projects such as LanguageTool (I am writing the
Portuguese rules and I already have a list of 3000+ compound words).

I am also developing (and using) my own open-source tool to edit the
dictionary/thesaurus/hyphenation of AOO/LO/FF/TB/SM.

Since I now only work two days a week in my part-time job, I have a lot
of free time to dedicate to my studies and hobbies.

At the end of this e-mail is a list of the words I have added to the
en_GB dictionary so far, so that you may see I have been busy. :-)

Thank you very much!

Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
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*V2.00*

*18-JUL-2013*
Added words such as common names of software and hardware.
1) Thunderbird
2) Firefox
3) LibreOffice
4) Ubuntu
5) Amiga (from Commodore)
6) mIRC
7) Facebook
8) ChanServ
9) NickServ
10) IRC


*21-JUL-2013*
11) PhD (Added plural on 19-AUG-2013)
12) Ph.D.
13) screenshot (Added plural on 19-AUG-2013)


*22-JUL-2013*
14) PowerPC
15) internship (Added plural on 19-AUG-2013)
16) D-day


*25-JUL-2013*
17) Wikipedia
18) committer (Added plural on 19-AUG-2013)


*8-AUG-2013*
19) anymore


*20-AUG-2013*
20) GitHub


*25-AUG-2013*
21) Blu-ray (+ plural)
22) airplane (+ plural)
23) unsubscribe



*V2.01*

*29-AUG-2013*
24) cyberterrorist (+plural)
25) cyberterrorism
26) DVD-RW
27) DVD-RAM
28) DVD+RW
29) cyberattack (+plural)
30) encyclopedia (+plural)


*30-AUG-2013*
31) spyware
32) adware
33) malware
34) Trojan (First letter capitalized - Oxford Dictionary)
35) Freeware
36) rootkit (+plural)
37) keylogger (+plural)
38) keylogging
39) subprogram (+plural)
40) webcam (+plural)
41) antivirus
42) Coca-Cola


*31-AUG-2013*
43) fuckable
44) fuckability
45) NSA
46) GnuPG
47) melancholiac
48) scammer (+plural)
49) XML
50) movie (+plural) (Oxford Dictionary says it is chiefly North American)
51) YouTube
52) cyberwar (+plural)



*V2.02*

*2-SEP-2013*
53) aargh
54) ABC (+plural)
55) admin
56) ADSL
57) JPEG
58) megapixel (+plural)
59) PDF
60) HDD
61) FPU
62) boing
63) google
64) Google (capitalized-company)
65) IDE
66) fallback


*3-SEP-2013*
67) re-establish
68) MUFON
69) transborder (+plural)
70) leveraging
71) geek (+plural)
72) bestseller (+plural)
73) playlist (+plural +ing)
74) PowerPoint
75) DALnet
76) meetup (Oxford Dictionary says it is chiefly North American)
77) traineeship (Fix - it was only inserted in plural)
78) phishing
79) phisher (+plural)
80) botnet (+plural)
81) guestbook
82) widescreen (fix - it was inserted wide-screen)
83) shortcut (+plural)
84) retrocession
85) hardcover (Oxford Dictionary says it is chiefly North American)
86) Bryon (name of person)
87) Aleister (name of person)
88) teleport
89) teleportation
90) etheric
91) telepath
92) trustable
93) contactee (+plural)
94) chakra (+plural)
95) Adamski (name of person)
96) diapers (Added plural)
97) Pleiades (place in the universe)
98) PGP
99) lineman
100) linemen
101) videography
102) videographer
103) HDMI


*4-SEP-2013*
104) mentoring
105) mentored (merged to mentor+ed)
106) anytime
107) skywatch (+er +ers +er's)
108) statewide
109) caseload
110) experiencer (+plural)
111) experienceable
112) blog (+plural)
113) blogging
114) blogged
115) blogger
116) crimeware
117) multisession
118) cyberstalking
119) cyberstalker (+plural)
120) PCMCIA
121) failover
122) placeholder (+plural)
123) showstopper (+plural)
124) showstopping
125) API
126) SeaMonkey
127) markup
128) watchdogging
129) watchdogged
130) cockapoo
131) Elohim (name)
132) undine (+plural)
133) Plutonian
134) technostructure
135) uncommercial
136) uncompetitively
137) uncompetitiveness
138) uncomplicatedly
139) uncomplicatedness
140) graphitic
141) blacklead
142) ufological
143) UEFA


*V2.03 (ongoing)*

*7-SEP-2013*
144) Merged uncompetitiveness and uncompetitively into uncompetitive.


*9-SEP-2013*
145) e-book (+plural)
146) e-business
147) e-card (+plural)
148) e-crime (+plural)
149) e-criminal (plural)
150) infomediary
151) infomercial (Oxford Dictionary says it is chiefly North American)
152) infonaut
153) SQL
154) cybercafe
155) cyberbullying
156) cyberbully
157) microcontroller
158) microcircuitry


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[Ian Neal]

Hi,

Thanks for your work on this, but I am worried about some of the
entries, especially the names and some of the Americanisms.

Examples would be:
68) MUFON
69) transborder - would be cross-border in GB
75) DALnet - not aware of any other IRC networks so would not want to
special case this one.
76) meetup - this would a meeting in GB
85) hardcover - would be hardback in GB

86) Bryon (name of person)
87) Aleister (name of person)

92) trustable - would be trustworthy in GB

95) Adamski (name of person)

96) diapers (Added plural) - not sure why the singular is in the GB
dictionary
99) lineman - this would be linesman in GB
100) linemen - this would be linesmen in GB
131) Elohim (name)
141) blacklead - not aware this is used in GB, usually graphite

I would say all these 3 are chiefly North American
150) infomediary
151) infomercial
152) infonaut

Here's a word to possibly add:
discombobulate - it is in the US dictionary but not the GB one.

Regards,

Ian

[Marco A.G.Pinto]

Hello Ian,

I have been checking the words in the Oxford Dictionary.

For example:
69) transborder -
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/transborder?q=transborder
92) trustable - would be trustworthy in GB -
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/trust?q=trustable#trust__31
99) lineman - this would be linesman in GB -
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/lineman?q=lineman
100) linemen - this would be linesmen in GB -
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/lineman?q=lineman
141) blacklead - not aware this is used in GB, usually graphite -
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/blacklead?q=blacklead

MUFON is the largest and oldest UFO research organisation on the planet,
that is why I added the name. I have also been a member for maybe 10 years.

DALnet is also one of the oldest IRC networks, but I will try to add
others as well.

etc.

I could go on giving you the URLs of each word I added since most of
them have also been found in the Oxford Dictionary. Some are "chiefly
American" I know, but if they are in Oxford, they are commonly used in
other countries as well.

Every time I see an unknown word, the first thing I do is to go to
Oxford's site. I have a physical dictionary "Oxford Advanced Learner's
Dictionary" but it is faster to see the on-line one.

I had the crazy idea of merging part of the OpenOffice/LibreOffice
dictionary into the Mozilla one, so that I could work on both at the
same time, but, the files are "obfuscated" and all words have numbers in
front which represents sets of rules (compression).

A friend used the HunSpell "unmunch" command in Linux to get the whole
list of words from OpenOffice, but it became trashed... most of the
words are marked as typos when I edit them with Office.

I will continue my work improving the Dictionary, hoping that someday it
will be the default one for Mozilla and OpenOffice/LibreOffice.

Also, I need to search in my physical dictionary if it has a part with
just names. I will type them by hand one at a time, and add them. A few
hours ago I added the name "G�nther" which in the dictionary didn't have
the two dots over the "u". I kept both versions because it is a Swedish
name and in English talking countries it is probably used without accent.

Thank you very much for your comments.

Kind regards,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
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[John Wilcock]

Le 17/09/2013 00:09, Marco A.G.Pinto a �crit :

> I could go on giving you the URLs of each word I added since most of
> them have also been found in the Oxford Dictionary. Some are "chiefly
> American" I know, but if they are in Oxford, they are commonly used in
> other countries as well.

I must agree with Ian here. To many (most?) users, the whole point of
choosing the British spell-check dictionary rather than the US English
one is to ensure that American spellings are avoided.

As for proper names, I'd suggest that you should only be adding names
that are in particularly widespread use around the world. Names like
MUFON, Aleister or G�nther will only be needed by a very small minority
and would be better placed in those users' personal dictionaries.

Just my two penn'orth (now there's a word you could justifiably add to
the en_GB dictionary!)

--
John

[Gervase Markham]

On 16/09/13 23:09, Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:
> MUFON is the largest and oldest UFO research organisation on the planet,
> that is why I added the name. I have also been a member for maybe 10 years.

Surely we should by trying to find consistent criteria for word
additions, rather than them reflecting the personal interests of the
dictionary compiler?

> I could go on giving you the URLs of each word I added since most of
> them have also been found in the Oxford Dictionary. Some are "chiefly
> American" I know, but if they are in Oxford, they are commonly used in
> other countries as well.

I think that if a word has both British and American spellings, then
only the British spelling should be in the dictionary. If there is a
word which is an Americanism (say the British use an entirely different
word), then that's harder. Is the dictionary being used to check the
spelling of what the British user writes, or is it being used to ensure
that a British user writes British English? The former would argue for
inclusion, the latter for exclusion. I actually prefer my dictionary to
do the latter, but I can see some people would have the opposing view.

Gerv