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Ahmed Nefzaoui
Jul 12, 2015, 2:26:20 AM7/12/15
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Hello Mozillians,
We have a couple of files that need translation.http://arabicmozilla.org/2015/07/%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%AA%D9%8F%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%85-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%85%D8%A9-%D9%85%D9%88%D9%82%D8%B9-%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%84%D8%A7/
Safa Alfulaij
Jul 22, 2015, 9:09:12 AM7/22/15
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I would like to ask about the Arabic team in Pootle site that Mozilla uses (mozilla.locamotion.org).
There are many suggestions in both the FirefoxOS and WebParts folders.
What is the problem? Is it that the reviewers are not that enough, or that they aren't interested in reviewing the translations anymore?
And also if all the suggestions are bad, they should be rejected rather than leaving them like this :)
I do think that Pootle is a lot easier to translate than downloading a file, translating it offline and then file a bug report for it ;)
Best regards,
Safa
There are many suggestions in both the FirefoxOS and WebParts folders.
What is the problem? Is it that the reviewers are not that enough, or that they aren't interested in reviewing the translations anymore?
And also if all the suggestions are bad, they should be rejected rather than leaving them like this :)
I do think that Pootle is a lot easier to translate than downloading a file, translating it offline and then file a bug report for it ;)
Best regards,
Safa
Abdelrahman manna
Jul 22, 2015, 10:34:56 AM7/22/15
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Hello Safa,
After my wishes for you to be good, let me reply for your email, If you think the reviewers aren't interested anymore I advise you to have a quick look at the other projects to see that the reviewers and the suggesters have finished three projects within 2 days.
I am talking as one of the reviewers who takes the responsible people's opinion about the priorities and based on that we work on the projects.
I think the reviewers are enough and they work hard as apart of the localization team, we try to finish the prioritised projects then finish the ones which have the least priority, which means we will finish the FireFoxOS and WebParts in their time.
Thanks,
Abdelrahman Manna.
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:09:07 -0700
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Safa Alfulaij
Jul 22, 2015, 12:55:09 PM7/22/15
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مرحبًا عبد الرحمن
(سأكتب هذه الرسالة بالعربية لأنني أعرف كيف أعبر أكثر بها.)
آسف لأني أزعجتك، أنا أعرف كم من الصعب العمل على هذه المشاريع، لكنّي عنيت فقط موقع بوتل، النشاط في Web Parts ضعيف جدا، وذلك مقارنة بنظام فيرفكس مثلًا.
لاحظت مؤخرا أنكم تعملون على الملفات منفردة ثم ترفعوها، لهذا السبب نشرت هذا الرد، فوجود بوتل هو للتسهيل ولحصر كل شيء في منصة واحدة بشكل منسق.
وصحيح ما تقول بشأن بقية اللغات، لست بحاجة إلى النظر إليها لأعرف ذلك فأنا أدير ترجمة ليبر أوفيس ؛)
سأحاول ما استطعت اقتراح الترجمات ومساعدة هذا المجتمع العظيم!
تحياتي،
صفا
Delphine Lebédel
Jul 22, 2015, 3:32:45 PM7/22/15
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Hi everyone!
Stepping in quickly here. For those of you who don't know me, I'm Delphine and I'm on the localization driver team.
Safa is not the first person I hear who has this concern in the Arabic l10n team, and this is not a new issue. I think that when a few people start voicing a concern, then it probably means something has to be done ;)
This doesn't mean that reviewers aren't doing a good job at their work or aren't interested - on the contrary!! But may I ask: how many reviewers are there currently? And for how many people making suggestions? Looking at Pootle, it seems there is a too big difference.
Also, on a side note, Firefox OS and Web Parts aren't less priority that the rest. Web Parts are very, very important to be localized. Some of these pages should be considered as part of the product itself. There is super important information there: how can people download the product itself or know about a new release if that isn't localized? I've CCed Jeff here who can probably give more insight into this then me. Many l10n teams aren't giving enough priority to Web Parts, and there seems to be some misconception about them that need to be cleared up
As for Firefox OS 2.2: I see more than 3000 pending reviews! We are shipping Firefox OS in Arabic, so this is also definitely a priority ;) As announced on dev.l10n newsgroup many times, Firefox 2.2 was supposed to be finished from an l10n perspective quite a while ago... Although main reviewers have done a great job at getting it ready in time (thanks!), these reviews should also have been considered/taken into account in some matter - which unless I'm mistaken, by looking at Pootle, hasn't been the case.
So what we usually suggest to l10n teams when there are few reviewers (or for whatever reason suggestions start piling up) is to pick from a couple people in your team that you consider having high quality translations, and give them the right to help review people's work. It's important to open up localization to more people in your team. That's what other teams are doing as well, and it's proven to work.
It's too bad because people are working hard, and it's rare to have as many localizers on just one team! :)
Hope this helps
delphine
Stepping in quickly here. For those of you who don't know me, I'm Delphine and I'm on the localization driver team.
Safa is not the first person I hear who has this concern in the Arabic l10n team, and this is not a new issue. I think that when a few people start voicing a concern, then it probably means something has to be done ;)
This doesn't mean that reviewers aren't doing a good job at their work or aren't interested - on the contrary!! But may I ask: how many reviewers are there currently? And for how many people making suggestions? Looking at Pootle, it seems there is a too big difference.
Also, on a side note, Firefox OS and Web Parts aren't less priority that the rest. Web Parts are very, very important to be localized. Some of these pages should be considered as part of the product itself. There is super important information there: how can people download the product itself or know about a new release if that isn't localized? I've CCed Jeff here who can probably give more insight into this then me. Many l10n teams aren't giving enough priority to Web Parts, and there seems to be some misconception about them that need to be cleared up
As for Firefox OS 2.2: I see more than 3000 pending reviews! We are shipping Firefox OS in Arabic, so this is also definitely a priority ;) As announced on dev.l10n newsgroup many times, Firefox 2.2 was supposed to be finished from an l10n perspective quite a while ago... Although main reviewers have done a great job at getting it ready in time (thanks!), these reviews should also have been considered/taken into account in some matter - which unless I'm mistaken, by looking at Pootle, hasn't been the case.
So what we usually suggest to l10n teams when there are few reviewers (or for whatever reason suggestions start piling up) is to pick from a couple people in your team that you consider having high quality translations, and give them the right to help review people's work. It's important to open up localization to more people in your team. That's what other teams are doing as well, and it's proven to work.
It's too bad because people are working hard, and it's rare to have as many localizers on just one team! :)
Hope this helps
delphine
-- delphine
Abdelrahman manna
Jul 22, 2015, 4:06:04 PM7/22/15
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أهلاً بك صفا , ما كان هذا المجتمع ليكون عظيماً لولا جهودكم الوفيرة فشكراً لكم في المقام الأول وأنا أعدك أن نكثف العمل وننجز المشاريع قدر الإمكان.
أشكر اهتمامك كثيراً , مع خالص تحياتي
عبدالرحمن
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:55:04 -0700
Jeff Beatty
Jul 27, 2015, 5:01:50 PM7/27/15
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Hi all,
Yes, to reiterate what Delphine has said, web parts should be considered part of the products, as some of them are the first things a user sees when they start the browser, as well as the means by which they find the Arabic localization for Firefox and other Mozilla projects.
I'm happy to answer any questions about that, if anyone has them.
Thanks,
Jeff
Yes, to reiterate what Delphine has said, web parts should be considered part of the products, as some of them are the first things a user sees when they start the browser, as well as the means by which they find the Arabic localization for Firefox and other Mozilla projects.
I'm happy to answer any questions about that, if anyone has them.
Thanks,
Jeff
El 7/22/15 a las 1:32 PM, Delphine
Lebédel escribió:
Hi everyone!
Stepping in quickly here. For those of you who don't know me, I'm Delphine and I'm on the localization driver team.
Safa is not the first person I hear who has this concern in the Arabic l10n team, and this is not a new issue. I think that when a few people start voicing a concern, then it probably means something has to be done ;)
This doesn't mean that reviewers aren't doing a good job at their work or aren't interested - on the contrary!! But may I ask: how many reviewers are there currently? And for how many people making suggestions? Looking at Pootle, it seems there is a too big difference.
Also, on a side note, Firefox OS and Web Parts aren't less priority that the rest. Web Parts are very, very important to be localized. Some of these pages should be considered as part of the product itself. There is super important information there: how can people download the product itself or know about a new release if that isn't localized? I've CCed Jeff here who can probably give more insight into this then me. Many l10n teams aren't giving enough priority to Web Parts, and there seems to be some misconception about them that need to be cleared up
As for Firefox OS 2.2: I see more than 3000 pending reviews! We are shipping Firefox OS in Arabic, so this is also definitely a priority ;) As announced on dev.l10n newsgroup many times, Firefox 2.2 was supposed to be finished from an l10n perspective quite a while ago... Although main reviewers have done a great job at getting it ready in time (thanks!), these reviews should also have been considered/taken into account in some matter - which unless I'm mistaken, by looking at Pootle, hasn't been the case.
So what we usually suggest to l10n teams when there are few reviewers (or for whatever reason suggestions start piling up) is to pick from a couple people in your team that you consider having high quality translations, and give them the right to help review people's work. It's important to open up localization to more people in your team. That's what other teams are doing as well, and it's proven to work.
It's too bad because people are working hard, and it's rare to have as many localizers on just one team! :)
Hope this helps
delphine
On 07/22/2015 07:34 AM, Abdelrahman manna wrote:
Hello Safa,After my wishes for you to be good, let me reply for your email, If you think the reviewers aren't interested anymore I advise you to have a quick look at the other projects to see that the reviewers and the suggesters have finished three projects within 2 days.I am talking as one of the reviewers who takes the responsible people's opinion about the priorities and based on that we work on the projects.
I think the reviewers are enough and they work hard as apart of the localization team, we try to finish the prioritised projects then finish the ones which have the least priority, which means we will finish the FireFoxOS and WebParts in their time.
Thanks,
Abdelrahman Manna.
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:09:07 -0700
> Subject: Re: Localizers needed.
> From: safa1996...@gmail.com
> To: mozilla-d...@lists.mozilla.org
>
> I would like to ask about the Arabic team in Pootle site that Mozilla uses (mozilla.locamotion.org).
> There are many suggestions in both the FirefoxOS and WebParts folders.
> What is the problem? Is it that the reviewers are not that enough, or that they aren't interested in reviewing the translations anymore?
> And also if all the suggestions are bad, they should be rejected rather than leaving them like this :)
> I do think that Pootle is a lot easier to translate than downloading a file, translating it offline and then file a bug report for it ;)
>
> Best regards,
> Safa
> _______________________________________________
> dev-l10n-ar mailing list
> dev-l...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-l10n-ar
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