Help looking at instant translation solutions for Firefox

[Patrick Finch]

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Hi,

I'm working on investigating the importance of some new features in
Firefox. One thing that Chrome has that Firefox doesn't at the moment
is Instant Translation - I'm looking for people in every locale who
would be prepared to try some existing solutions and share their feedback.

Background
----------
When I've done field research, I've seen that this is a very popular
feature of Chrome in some countries such as Russia and Brazil. But in
talking with people in the Mozilla community, this doesn't mean that it
will be a good service for all Firefox users - Raivis in Latvia
explained to me just how poor Google's Instant Translation service is in
Latvian, for example.

So, I am looking for your input both on how we should implement this
feature and on the quality of services for your locale. Doing it the
way Chrome does it might be expensive from a resource and licensing
point of view.


Things to try will be:
a. Instant translate in Chrome
b. Translate this! addon in Firefox
c. Maxthon's instant translation implementation
d. your views on which translation services are best for your locale (if
any!)
e. your views on the utility of such services in your locale:
ei.do people read foreign language content?
eii.do they tend to use a localised build of Firefox?

I will send instructions and a questionnaire to make it easy to collate
all this data next week.


Right now, I'm looking for people who are interested to help. If you
care about this feature and have some time, I'd really like to work with
you.

So - if you're interested, please sign up here (where it says, "Name" -
I've left space for 3 people per locale).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9__hKNwbafdEpkbkE5X3JlcTNmbFVGa1JsdmxvQmc

and send me an email (you don't have to post your address on the Google
doc).


Many thanks


Patrick

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Director of Product Marketing Strategy, Mozilla
Mobile: +46 768 444 833
IM: patric...@gmail.com

[Selim Şumlu]

Looks like the doc is not editable but count me in for Turkish.

Selim

2012/9/28 Patrick Finch <pfi...@mozilla.com>

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>
> and send me an email (you don't have to post your address on the Google
> doc).
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
> Patrick
>
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[Rubén Martín]

Hi Patrick,

I think this feature is popular in Spanish speaking countries, but the
main concern I have here is that is a service provided by a third party
out of our control, in this case Google.

Do we know if Google has a clear policy about the translation requests
they receive using this service in terms of privacy?

I don't feel comfortable giving our users the ability to translate sites
without them knowing what's done with their data.

Regards.

--
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Mozilla Reps Mentor
http://www.mozilla-hispano.org
http://twitter.com/mozilla_hispano
http://facebook.com/mozillahispano

[Christos Bacharakis]

Hey Patrick,

from my point of view, we have to check out some statistics in order
to see if it is worth it.

* First of all, we have to know at least some countries who are using
it and their feedback.
* we have to find "template" text - maybe an article - in English
where the mozilians around the globe are going to provide feedback on
how accurate is the translated text in their native language. With
that, we are going to evaluate google's translations in a variety of
language.

These stats are really useful because we don't want to build an
addon/tool which is not translating well and only a small amount of
people using it.

~Chris


On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Patrick Finch <pfi...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> [ x-posting to dev-l10n...@lists.mozilla.org and

> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9__hKNwbafdEpkbkE5X3JlcTNmbFVGa1JsdmxvQmc
>
> and send me an email (you don't have to post your address on the Google
> doc).
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
> Patrick
>
> --
> Patrick Finch
> Director of Product Marketing Strategy, Mozilla
> Mobile: +46 768 444 833
> IM: patric...@gmail.com

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[Patrick Finch]

On 9/29/2012 8:22 PM, Rubén Martín wrote:
> Hi Patrick,
>
> I think this feature is popular in Spanish speaking countries, but the
> main concern I have here is that is a service provided by a third party
> out of our control, in this case Google.
>
> Do we know if Google has a clear policy about the translation requests
> they receive using this service in terms of privacy?
>
> I don't feel comfortable giving our users the ability to translate sites
> without them knowing what's done with their data.
>
> Regards.
>

Hi Nukeador,

I'm looking for input on all services and specifically the best in each
locale. The policies implemented by every service will need
interpretation as part of that. With any proprietary service (at least,
any good one), usage of the service benefits the service too: it adds to
the body of bi-lingual text (corpora).

Any guidance from l10n experts or others in this is most welcome.


patrick

[Patrick Finch]

On 10/1/2012 2:05 AM, Christos Bacharakis wrote:
> Hey Patrick,
>
> from my point of view, we have to check out some statistics in order
> to see if it is worth it.
>
> * First of all, we have to know at least some countries who are using
> it and their feedback.
> * we have to find "template" text - maybe an article - in English
> where the mozilians around the globe are going to provide feedback on
> how accurate is the translated text in their native language. With
> that, we are going to evaluate google's translations in a variety of
> language.
>
> These stats are really useful because we don't want to build an
> addon/tool which is not translating well and only a small amount of
> people using it.
>
> ~Chris

Thanks Chris

Here's my approach:

I am currently running quantified research in 15 countries to gauge
interest in the feature. It was reported as of very high interest in
both Brazil and Russia in other research I've run, but not so high in
other countries (for example, Germany).

I need to get to an assessment of how many Firefox users will be
interested in the feature, based on this research. It isn't easy, but
the simpler our assumptions are, the easier it will be. The hardest
thing will be estimating user desire for the feature.

On the "template" article - I will provide an example to translate in
and out of a language, but I'm looking to reps and l10n experts to
challenge assumptions about how, and how much, such a feature would
used. I don't think it's purely English content that is of interest,
depending on where you are in the world, or indeed, to what extent it is
of interest.

Does this address your question?

Patrick

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[Christos Bacharakis]

Thank you Patrick.
In your first mail you shared the "WHAT" and I tried to provide you the "HOW".
But certainly we think in the same frequency here. :)

I am really curious - looking forward - to see the results!
~Chris

[Patrick Finch]

Hi,

A big thanks to the 8 people signed up so far - I really appreciate it.
I'm still looking for more help, especially for these locales:

German
Russian
Spanish (Spain)
French
Portuguese (Brazilian)
Polish
Italian
Japanese
Chinese (Simplified)
Hungarian
Dutch
Chinese (Traditional)
Vietnamese
Spanish (Mexico)
Arabic
Spanish (Argentina)
Indonesian

https://docs.google.com/a/mozilla.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9__hKNwbafdEpkbkE5X3JlcTNmbFVGa1JsdmxvQmc#gid=0

If you know anyone willing to help, please point them in my direction -
many thanks.


Patrick

[Andrea Balle]

Count on me for brazilian portuguese.

Just let me know the steps for the test :)

Thanks,
Andrea

[Marcelo Luis Comin Araldi]

Sorry Patrick!
Lots of emails this week! hehe

i'm available to help with pt-BR :)

/marceloaraldi



2012/10/4 Patrick Finch <pfi...@mozilla.com>

> Hi,
>
> A big thanks to the 8 people signed up so far - I really appreciate it.
> I'm still looking for more help, especially for these locales:
>
> German
> Russian
> Spanish (Spain)
> French
> Portuguese (Brazilian)
> Polish
> Italian
> Japanese
> Chinese (Simplified)
> Hungarian
> Dutch
> Chinese (Traditional)
> Vietnamese
> Spanish (Mexico)
> Arabic
> Spanish (Argentina)
> Indonesian
>

> https://docs.google.com/a/**mozilla.com/spreadsheet/ccc?**key=0Al9__**
> hKNwbafdEpkbkE5X3JlcTNmbFVGa1J**sdmxvQmc#gid=0<https://docs.google.com/a/mozilla.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9__hKNwbafdEpkbkE5X3JlcTNmbFVGa1JsdmxvQmc#gid=0>

>
> If you know anyone willing to help, please point them in my direction -
> many thanks.
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On 9/28/2012 2:57 PM, Patrick Finch wrote:
>

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>>
>>
>> and send me an email (you don't have to post your address on the Google
>> doc).
>>
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
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> Director of Product Marketing Strategy, Mozilla
> Mobile: +46 768 444 833
> IM: patric...@gmail.com

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[Albino B Neto]

Hi.

An presentation: Albino B Neto (@bino28) of Community Mozilla Brazil
member, I love web (:

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Marcelo Luis Comin Araldi
<in...@marceloaraldi.com.br> wrote:
> Sorry Patrick!
> Lots of emails this week! hehe
>
> i'm available to help with pt-BR :)

+1

I'm also willing to help in pt-BR.

Albino

[Inma Barrios]

El lunes, 1 de octubre de 2012 09:13:55 UTC+2, Patrick Finch escribió:

> On 9/29/2012 8:22 PM, Rub�n Mart�n wrote:
>
> > Hi Patrick,
>
> >
>
> > I think this feature is popular in Spanish speaking countries, but the
>
> > main concern I have here is that is a service provided by a third party
>
> > out of our control, in this case Google.
>
> >
>
> > Do we know if Google has a clear policy about the translation requests
>
> > they receive using this service in terms of privacy?
>
> >
>
> > I don't feel comfortable giving our users the ability to translate sites
>
> > without them knowing what's done with their data.
>
> >
>
> > Regards.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Nukeador,
>
>
>
> I'm looking for input on all services and specifically the best in each
>
> locale. The policies implemented by every service will need
>
> interpretation as part of that. With any proprietary service (at least,
>
> any good one), usage of the service benefits the service too: it adds to
>
> the body of bi-lingual text (corpora).
>
>
>
> Any guidance from l10n experts or others in this is most welcome.
>
>

Hi there!

I just added my name and email address for es-ES locale.

Google, along with Bing, are some of the most popular MT services. However, systranet.com or even Moses are really good. The latter is a free open source machine translation supported by the European Commission. You may find more info here: http://www.statmt.org/moses/

Best,
--

Inma Barrios [@inma_610]

http://mozilla-hispano.org
http://twitter.com/mozilla_hispano
http://facebook.com/mozillahispano

[Inma Barrios]

El lunes, 1 de octubre de 2012 09:13:55 UTC+2, Patrick Finch escribió:

> On 9/29/2012 8:22 PM, Rub�n Mart�n wrote:
>
> > Hi Patrick,
>
> >
>
> > I think this feature is popular in Spanish speaking countries, but the
>
> > main concern I have here is that is a service provided by a third party
>
> > out of our control, in this case Google.
>
> >
>
> > Do we know if Google has a clear policy about the translation requests
>
> > they receive using this service in terms of privacy?
>
> >
>
> > I don't feel comfortable giving our users the ability to translate sites
>
> > without them knowing what's done with their data.
>
> >
>
> > Regards.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Nukeador,
>
>
>
> I'm looking for input on all services and specifically the best in each
>
> locale. The policies implemented by every service will need
>
> interpretation as part of that. With any proprietary service (at least,
>
> any good one), usage of the service benefits the service too: it adds to
>
> the body of bi-lingual text (corpora).
>
>
>
> Any guidance from l10n experts or others in this is most welcome.
>
>

[Shafiul Azam]

Count me in for Bengali (Bangladesh) - I'm putting my name in the doc.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Inma Barrios <inmita...@gmail.com>wrote:

> El lunes, 1 de octubre de 2012 09:13:55 UTC+2, Patrick Finch escribió:

> > On 9/29/2012 8:22 PM, Rub�n Mart�n wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Patrick,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I think this feature is popular in Spanish speaking countries, but the
> >
> > > main concern I have here is that is a service provided by a third party
> >
> > > out of our control, in this case Google.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Do we know if Google has a clear policy about the translation requests
> >
> > > they receive using this service in terms of privacy?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I don't feel comfortable giving our users the ability to translate
> sites
> >
> > > without them knowing what's done with their data.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Regards.
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Nukeador,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for input on all services and specifically the best in each
> >
> > locale. The policies implemented by every service will need
> >
> > interpretation as part of that. With any proprietary service (at least,
> >
> > any good one), usage of the service benefits the service too: it adds to
> >
> > the body of bi-lingual text (corpora).
> >
> >
> >
> > Any guidance from l10n experts or others in this is most welcome.
> >
> >

> Hi there!
>
> I just added my name and email address for es-ES locale.
>
> Google, along with Bing, are some of the most popular MT services.
> However, systranet.com or even Moses are really good. The latter is a
> free open source machine translation supported by the European Commission.
> You may find more info here: http://www.statmt.org/moses/
>
> Best,
> --
>
> Inma Barrios [@inma_610]
>
> http://mozilla-hispano.org
> http://twitter.com/mozilla_hispano
> http://facebook.com/mozillahispano

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[Muhammad Syafiq]

Count me in for locale - ms-MY (Malay/Bahasa Malaysia)

Cheer

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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Shafiul Azam <isha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Count me in for Bengali (Bangladesh) - I'm putting my name in the doc.
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Inma Barrios <inmita...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > El lunes, 1 de octubre de 2012 09:13:55 UTC+2, Patrick Finch escribió:

> > > On 9/29/2012 8:22 PM, Rub�n Mart�n wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Patrick,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I think this feature is popular in Spanish speaking countries, but
> the
> > >
> > > > main concern I have here is that is a service provided by a third
> party
> > >
> > > > out of our control, in this case Google.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Do we know if Google has a clear policy about the translation
> requests
> > >
> > > > they receive using this service in terms of privacy?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I don't feel comfortable giving our users the ability to translate
> > sites
> > >
> > > > without them knowing what's done with their data.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Regards.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Nukeador,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm looking for input on all services and specifically the best in each
> > >
> > > locale. The policies implemented by every service will need
> > >
> > > interpretation as part of that. With any proprietary service (at
> least,
> > >
> > > any good one), usage of the service benefits the service too: it adds
> to
> > >
> > > the body of bi-lingual text (corpora).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any guidance from l10n experts or others in this is most welcome.
> > >
> > >

[Robert DC. Reyes]

Added TL-Tagalog to the worksheet. Thanks!


Best regards,


Robert "Bob" Reyes
Mozilla Representative (PHL)
& Regional Localization Leader
http://www.bobreyes.com

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[Chit Thiri Maung]

Let me in for Burmese (Myanmar) :)
Chit

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[Irvin Chen]

Hi,

Two of our community member RJ and petercpg had fill the form for zh-tw
locale.

Irvin
MozTW

[Fauzan Alfi]

Hi,

I'm in for Bahasa Indonesia (ID)

Regards,

Fauzan Alfi
Mozilla Representative, Bandung

https://reps.mozilla.org/u/fauzanalfi/

On Friday, 05 October 2012 at 11:51, Irvin Chen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Two of our community member RJ and petercpg had fill the form for zh-tw
> locale.
>
> Irvin
> MozTW
>

> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Chit Thiri Maung <ahk...@gmail.com (mailto:ahk...@gmail.com)> wrote:
>
> > Let me in for Burmese (Myanmar) :)
> > Chit
> >

> > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Robert DC. Reyes <robert...@gmail.com (mailto:robert...@gmail.com)

> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Added TL-Tagalog to the worksheet. Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert "Bob" Reyes
> > > Mozilla Representative (PHL)
> > > & Regional Localization Leader
> > > http://www.bobreyes.com
> > >
> > >

> > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Patrick Finch <pfi...@mozilla.com (mailto:pfi...@mozilla.com)>
> > wrote:
> > >
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