d14n resources

[Daniel Maher]

Hello all,

I've assembled some of the rudiments necessary for d14n to enter the
social networking space, including a Twitter[1] account, and a simple
webpage[2]. The Twitter account is currently held by me, but I'd be
happy to turn the auth info over to some sort of group or role account.
The webpage - a simple blog - is hosted via Github pages[3], and I
would be delighted to engage on some collaborative editing (pull
requests welcome).

Anybody with more experience managing communities, social media, and so
forth, is absolutely welcome to take the reins and roll with this stuff. :)

[1] https://twitter.com/d14n_project
[2] http://www.d14n.net/
[3] https://github.com/d14n/d14n.github.io

--
dan (phrawzty).
devops; mozilla.

[Ross Jones]

Hello,

Apologies for the intrusion, but that a twitter account and website being set up
leads me to ask, what are we doing wrong at redecentralize.org that you’re taking
this approach, as opposed to say collaborating with the community we’ve started building?

Please, don’t afraid of offending my feeling with “never heard of it” or “you’re doing
everything wrong”, I’m actually just genuinely interested.

Cheers

Ross.

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[Daniel Maher]

On 05/08/14 13:42, Ross Jones wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Apologies for the intrusion, but that a twitter account and website being set up

> leads me to ask, what are we doing wrong at redecentralize.org that you�re taking
> this approach, as opposed to say collaborating with the community we�ve started building?
>
> Please, don�t afraid of offending my feeling with �never heard of it� or �you�re doing
> everything wrong�, I�m actually just genuinely interested.

Hello,

"Never heard of it" is definitely the correct answer in this case.

The Twitter account, webpage, French-language mailing list, and
French-language wiki, were all born from the meet-up we had here in
Paris last week. There was no malice intended in the act of
initialising these resources - quite the opposite in fact.

I don't really have any particular argument for or against using the
resources I've set up. If your online presence is better established,
then I'd say we should go with it! Likewise, we may wish to consider
shutting down this mailing list, since two English-language MLs is
clearly a waste of limited mental bandwidth.

Finally - and I hesitate to say this, but in the interest of free
discussion, here goes - "redecentralize" is not my favourite term, heh.
It's long, it uses two grammatical prefixes, and the [s/z] thing grates
on my sensibilities like nails on a chalkboard. I feel that using
"d14n" addresses all of those issues rather neatly - but perhaps that's
just me.

Thoughts?

[Ross Jones]

On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:10, Daniel Maher <dma...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> On 05/08/14 13:42, Ross Jones wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Apologies for the intrusion, but that a twitter account and website being set up

>> leads me to ask, what are we doing wrong at redecentralize.org that you’re taking
>> this approach, as opposed to say collaborating with the community we’ve started building?
>>
>> Please, don’t afraid of offending my feeling with “never heard of it” or “you’re doing

>> everything wrong”, I’m actually just genuinely interested.

>
> Hello,
>
> "Never heard of it" is definitely the correct answer in this case.

Well, if nothing else, now you know - there are a few interesting vids (some even with
transcriptions) if you find yourself with a few minutes to kill. Currently our main focus
is on _trying_ to get some of the lesser known projects some extra coverage, and
hassling people about business models - so probably not a particularly large overlap.

> The Twitter account, webpage, French-language mailing list, and
> French-language wiki, were all born from the meet-up we had here in
> Paris last week. There was no malice intended in the act of
> initialising these resources - quite the opposite in fact.

I didn’t assume any malice, and I guessed that perhaps nobody knew we, or
our ML, existed :( A failure on our part I guess. I don’t think there is necessarily a
duplication of effort though.

> I don't really have any particular argument for or against using the
> resources I've set up. If your online presence is better established,
> then I'd say we should go with it! Likewise, we may wish to consider
> shutting down this mailing list, since two English-language MLs is
> clearly a waste of limited mental bandwidth.

I didn’t imagine even for a minute dev-decentralization *not* happening, but it would
certainly make sense where possible to share resources etc. I think there are probably
a few people on redecen...@librelist.com who are missing out on any discussions
here and possibly vice versa, which would be a shame.

I guess my question is how to avoid this, I’ll definitely make sure ppl on the redecent list
know about this one .. what’s just one more ML after all ;) Perhaps we should see if they
might migrate to this list (as I guess managing the list might be easier than on librelist).

> Finally - and I hesitate to say this, but in the interest of free
> discussion, here goes - "redecentralize" is not my favourite term, heh.
> It's long, it uses two grammatical prefixes, and the [s/z] thing grates
> on my sensibilities like nails on a chalkboard. I feel that using
> "d14n" addresses all of those issues rather neatly - but perhaps that's
> just me.

I’ve heard that before, the z thing used to grate for me too, but I guess I am just
d10d to it now :)

Cheers

Ross.

[Pierre Ozoux]

Hi all!

Great we are speaking about it!
I present myself quickly: I run this meetup since 6 months
http://www.meetup.com/Internet-Freedom-Lisbon/

And after 6 months, I got to this conclusion:
http://www.meetup.com/Internet-Freedom-Lisbon/messages/boards/thread/45974772/
(feel free to comment there if you want)

I wanted to send an email to this list, and as the subject is on the
table, let's go :)

How could we create a "brand" that would be worldwide for meetup around
this subject. I thought redecentralize was perfect, but apparently
Daniel disagree. Something, you go to a city, and you know you can meet
same minded people. Like HackerSpace, IndieWebCamp, Javascript.. We
should do the same, find a brand, and use it together!

@Daniel: I have to tell you, I have no idea what d14n stands for. Even
after being on all d14n web presence..
(And I followed your event, greatly done! A bit jealous that you had
such success!)

Redecentralize is perfect, because it expresses all the ideas, the
branding is there, (and it's nice), already a bit known (1.5k
followers). Already a lot of content there!

I really would like to know what you think about it :)

On 05/08/14 13:27, Ross Jones wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:10, Daniel Maher <dma...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/08/14 13:42, Ross Jones wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Apologies for the intrusion, but that a twitter account and website being set up

>>> leads me to ask, what are we doing wrong at redecentralize.org that you�re taking
>>> this approach, as opposed to say collaborating with the community we�ve started building?
>>>
>>> Please, don�t afraid of offending my feeling with �never heard of it� or �you�re doing

>>> everything wrong�, I�m actually just genuinely interested.

>> Hello,
>>
>> "Never heard of it" is definitely the correct answer in this case.
> Well, if nothing else, now you know - there are a few interesting vids (some even with
> transcriptions) if you find yourself with a few minutes to kill. Currently our main focus
> is on _trying_ to get some of the lesser known projects some extra coverage, and
> hassling people about business models - so probably not a particularly large overlap.
>
>> The Twitter account, webpage, French-language mailing list, and
>> French-language wiki, were all born from the meet-up we had here in
>> Paris last week. There was no malice intended in the act of
>> initialising these resources - quite the opposite in fact.

> I didn�t assume any malice, and I guessed that perhaps nobody knew we, or
> our ML, existed :( A failure on our part I guess. I don�t think there is necessarily a

> duplication of effort though.
>
>> I don't really have any particular argument for or against using the
>> resources I've set up. If your online presence is better established,
>> then I'd say we should go with it! Likewise, we may wish to consider
>> shutting down this mailing list, since two English-language MLs is
>> clearly a waste of limited mental bandwidth.

> I didn�t imagine even for a minute dev-decentralization *not* happening, but it would

> certainly make sense where possible to share resources etc. I think there are probably
> a few people on redecen...@librelist.com who are missing out on any discussions
> here and possibly vice versa, which would be a shame.
>

> I guess my question is how to avoid this, I�ll definitely make sure ppl on the redecent list
> know about this one .. what�s just one more ML after all ;) Perhaps we should see if they

> might migrate to this list (as I guess managing the list might be easier than on librelist).
>
>> Finally - and I hesitate to say this, but in the interest of free
>> discussion, here goes - "redecentralize" is not my favourite term, heh.
>> It's long, it uses two grammatical prefixes, and the [s/z] thing grates
>> on my sensibilities like nails on a chalkboard. I feel that using
>> "d14n" addresses all of those issues rather neatly - but perhaps that's
>> just me.

> I�ve heard that before, the z thing used to grate for me too, but I guess I am just

> d10d to it now :)
>
> Cheers
>
> Ross.
>
>
>

[Daniel Maher]

On 05/08/14 19:06, Pierre Ozoux wrote:
> @Daniel: I have to tell you, I have no idea what d14n stands for. Even
> after being on all d14n web presence..
> (And I followed your event, greatly done! A bit jealous that you had
> such success!)
>
> Redecentralize is perfect, because it expresses all the ideas, the
> branding is there, (and it's nice), already a bit known (1.5k
> followers). Already a lot of content there!

d14n means "decentralisation" - it's a play on existing,
well-established numeronyms[1] such as "i18n" and "L10n"[2]. Imho it
presents certain advantages, namely that it's short and that it avoids
the [s|z] spelling problem. #d14n makes a good hashtag, too. I've
added an entry on d14n.net to answer this question.[3]

Speaking of, the web presence, such as it is, is really just a
place-holder. The current content is not meant to be representative of
the ultimate function of the site (currently an undefined target).

But whatever, I'm not married to the term (again, I set it up before I
knew that redecentralize.org existed). If I'm literally the only person
that thinks it's a good idea, then I guess it's not a good idea. *shrug*

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeronym
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization
[3] http://www.d14n.net/general/2014/08/06/what_is_d14n.html

[André Reinald]

No Daniel, you're not the only one liking d14n. I had to grok it, but now I think it's a good choice. So +1 for d14n. Can't we make d14n.net and decentralization.org point to the same site ?

[Cédric de Saint Martin]

My two cents:
Except if we push hard this name, I'm afraid a lot of people will miss the meaning of it. On the contrary, redecentralize.org is self-explicit.
If we had to merge, I would support the idea of both domain names going to the same site, the main name being "redecentralize.org".

[Nicholas H.Tollervey]

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Why not r17g..? :-P

Also, numeronyms always remind me of faux-minor droid like characters
from the StarWars universe.

My not-at-all-serious 2c.

N.

On 06/08/14 09:26, C�dric de Saint Martin wrote:
> My two cents: Except if we push hard this name, I'm afraid a lot of
> people will miss the meaning of it. On the contrary,
> redecentralize.org is self-explicit. If we had to merge, I would
> support the idea of both domain names going to the same site, the
> main name being "redecentralize.org".
>

> On 6 ao�t 2014, at 10:19, Andr� Reinald <arei...@mozilla.com>

> wrote:
>
>> No Daniel, you're not the only one liking d14n. I had to grok it,
>> but now I think it's a good choice. So +1 for d14n. Can't we make
>> d14n.net and decentralization.org point to the same site ?
>>

>> On 6 ao�t 2014 10:08:27 UTC+02:00, Daniel Maher

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[Daniel Maher]

On 06/08/14 10:26, C�dric de Saint Martin wrote:
> If we had to merge, I would support the idea of both domain names going to the same site, the main name being "redecentralize.org".

Sounds good to me.

Ross, would that be acceptable to you?

[Ross Jones]

That's fine. I can give site access to whoever wants/needs it. Also i think we're pretty open to changing around the site - the interviews are just one aspect of it really. Any content contributions welcome :)

Ross

> On 6 Aug 2014, at 09:42, Daniel Maher <dma...@mozilla.com> wrote: