Code name suggestions for Tb 3.01a preview release
Ron K.
So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of birds
for the Alpha and Beta previews.
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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
> I noticed this topic in the draft agenda for the 04/22/2008 staff call.
>
> So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of birds
> for the Alpha and Beta previews.
>
Hehe...sounds like a good idea :-)
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David Ascher
> I noticed this topic in the draft agenda for the 04/22/2008 staff call.
> So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of birds
> for the Alpha and Beta previews.
Maybe we should just have one name for non-final releases, somewhat like
Minefield/Firefox -- so as to not confuse users re: final vs. non-final
builds.
IOW, one name would be good, but having twelve names might be a bit much.
--david
Ron K.
Selection of names could be from the class on a major release branch cut
basis. Thus Tb 3 branch from trunk could be Falcon. If a 3.5 branch
were cut it could be Osprey.
Dan Mosedale
>
> Selection of names could be from the class on a major release branch cut
> basis. Thus Tb 3 branch from trunk could be Falcon. If a 3.5 branch were
> cut it could be Osprey.
>
A couple of thoughts:
* Having to know arbitrary code name -> version number mappings to
participate in discussions makes the already-somewhat-byzantine Mozilla
world even more confusing to new contributors, I believe. Let's not
erect unnecessary barriers to entry when we can avoid it.
* Part of the intent in choosing "Minefield" as the executable name for
Firefox was to continue to remind users that it was not a fully tested
Firefox release, and should be considered a bit dangerous. Any ideas
for names with a similar characteristic for Thunderbird?
Dan
Tony Mechelynck
Vulture? Griffin? Or even Hippogriff?
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David Ascher
>
> http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/06/08/23/birds_on_a_plane_the_top_9_most_dangerous_birds_you_wouldnt_want_to_be_trapped_on_a_plane_with.htm
>
I like that one:
Cassowaries, an endangered species, are large, flightless birds that
live in the rainforests, woodlands and swamps of Australia. Cassowaries
are unpredictable, aggressive and are known to kick up their large,
clawed feet. Their kicks are capable of breaking bones, and their claws
have been likened to daggers.
Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Ron K.
A good point about the association of the military minefield hazard with
the experimental nature of the code. The only term from my 22 years of
Army experience that comes as close is "Tripwire".
The first point I also understand. What if the policy were to codename
a major branch such as to distinguish Tb3 from Tb4. Perhaps it should
be limited to use on servers, such as the FTP server, to steer access to
the proper set of files.
Tony Mechelynck
It had been suggested earlier to choose among raptors. Cassowaries are
(what's the English name?) running birds (ratites?), or something. Your
page mentions the following raptors:
5. Owls
6. Hawks and Falcons
7. Eagles
8. Vultures
However, owls are associated (in the popular imagination) with
night-sight or even wisdom, eagles with nobility, and hawks and falcons
are (or used to be) comparatively small birds domesticated for
hunting... Not that they aren't dangerous, just like a deer-hunting dog
can be dangerous.
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Emre Birol
> Maybe we should just have one name for non-final releases, somewhat like
> Minefield/Firefox -- so as to not confuse users re: final vs. non-final
> builds.
>
I would suggest "ThunderStorm".
ovidiu
> I noticed this topic in the draft agenda for the 04/22/2008 staff call.
> So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of
> birds for the Alpha and Beta previews.
>
http://www.2-free.net/free-wallpapers/jurassic-park-pterodactil-wallpaper/25854.html
you know what I mean ...
http://www.pterodactyl.info/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterosaur
advantages:
-raptor
-from dinosaur/Jurassic class (Godzilla - Mozilla ..)
-nickname PTERO..
-could be of different kinds of pterosaur, with every release a new ..
-they seam to have the beginning of fingers, like most of keyboarders ..
-strong, distinct image (with many options for graphics)
disadvantages:
-weird spell, weird speech, severe !..
-maybe full of it on the net (search weakness ..)
-may seam like a regression .. ;)
just a thought
ovidiu
> I noticed this topic in the draft agenda for the 04/22/2008 staff call.
> So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of
> birds for the Alpha and Beta previews.
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor
nice one (not the pink picture ..)
-nighthawk
just thinking of nightlies ..
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Common_Nighthawk.html
not so impressive ..
-thunder egg
-thunder owl
Joshua Cranmer
> I noticed this topic in the draft agenda for the 04/22/2008 staff call.
> So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of birds
> for the Alpha and Beta previews.
How about flightless birds? To me it suggests something not quite ready
to "take off":
Penguin
Emu
Ostrich
Dodo (on second thought, maybe not...)
Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
> How about flightless birds? To me it suggests something not quite ready
> to "take off":
>
> Penguin
> Emu
> Ostrich
> Dodo (on second thought, maybe not...)
Gary Kwong
> Ron K. wrote:
>> I noticed this topic in the draft agenda for the 04/22/2008 staff call.
>> So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of
>> birds for the Alpha and Beta previews.
>
> just thinking of nightlies ..
> http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Common_Nighthawk.html
> not so impressive ..
Sounds like an excellent pun on nightlies, and hawk seems dangerous.
(But that's only the word)
>
> -thunder egg
> -thunder owl
I don't exactly think the word Thunder should be in the codename, to
prevent confusion with Thunderbird. (and no, Emre, not ThunderStorm)
Thunderfox?
Anyway, Nighthawk has my vote.
-Gary
Chris Ilias
Are we talking about the Thunderbird 3 codename, or the trunk brand name?
In Firefox, Minefield is not a codename. It's just a brand/identity
given to trunk builds (not alpha/beta releases); whereas the codename
(Gran Paradiso) is used on the alpha release. One signifies danger,
while the other is pleasant.
I vaguely recall talk of trunk builds being branded as "MailNews" (not
just the brand name, but the icon and app name on Mac.
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Axel Hecht
> Joshua Cranmer:
>> How about flightless birds? To me it suggests something not quite
>> ready to "take off":
>>
>> Penguin
>> Emu
>> Ostrich
>> Dodo (on second thought, maybe not...)
> LOL...I'd vote for Ostrich :-)
If you want to get Ostrich, you gotta go Oudtshoorn. Just to mumble
stuff that might make codenames for release, i.e. Ostrich farms.
Axel
ovidiu
> ovidiu wrote:
>> Ron K. wrote:
>>> I noticed this topic in the draft agenda for the 04/22/2008 staff call.
>>> So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of
>>> birds for the Alpha and Beta previews.
>>
>> -nighthawk
>> just thinking of nightlies ..
>> http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Common_Nighthawk.html
>>
>> not so impressive ..
>
> Sounds like an excellent pun on nightlies, and hawk seems dangerous.
> (But that's only the word)
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117_Nighthawk
so much for "dangerous" and "raptor"
note the "stealth" attribute, safety included, the thunder when breaking
sound barrier or passing by and I also like the simplistic "clumsy cut"
geometry of it, may suggest the rough stage of the version in comparison to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-71_Blackbird
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit
ha, blackbird ? for betas.. B2 cocktails and spirits for tb3 launch party ..
(imagine the kind of messages these can deliver ..)
-
but we don't wanna get associated with
http://www.airgundepot.com/walther-nighthawk-air-pistol.html
hmm..
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ovidiu
Ron K.
LOL. See, I get the ball rolling and a great name pops out. Nighthawk,
whether the Bio or aeronautical engendering variant has a nice tiein to
nightly builds. So it's now 3 to 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,n take your pick.
Prasad Sunkari
> Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote:
>> Joshua Cranmer:
>>> How about flightless birds? To me it suggests something not quite
>>> ready to "take off":
>>>
>>> Penguin
>>> Emu
>>> Ostrich
>>> Dodo (on second thought, maybe not...)
Should the name be a little easier to remember for non-Americans?
Vulture is, but not the names like Cassowaries :)
How about something like NeoVulture?
Prasad
Phil Ringnalda
> * Part of the intent in choosing "Minefield" as the executable name for
> Firefox was to continue to remind users that it was not a fully tested
> Firefox release
Much of the intent, really. Every three or four days, there'd be a story
on the front page of Digg about how you can "Get Firefox 3 Now!!1!"
Oddly enough, I haven't seen any of those about a pre-alpha mail client.
Bug 308973, which did the rebranding, is instructive in a couple of
other ways:
* From decision to do it to having it done took two months (not counting
regressions in other bugs) - while rebranding's vastly easier now than
it was then, and a lot of it was just forgetting to get back to it, it's
still not "we'll just change one instance of 'Thunderbird' to
'Cassowary' and be good"
* A nightly code name and an alpha code name (two different things,
which we seem to only be remembering sometimes) need to be vetted just
like changing the product name: we don't want to wind up releasing
Phoenix Alpha 1
There is some benefit to rebranding (both nightlies and alphas) to allow
Windows users to install both without having to use custom install to
get a different path. That benefit is rather less important for us than
for a browser, though: if you install a new mail client without reading
the system requirements, and find that it won't run, you don't have the
same problem you do if you installed a browser over the top of the
browser you would use to download a working browser.
There's also risk of screwing up (I just finally tossed a Windows box
which went to its grave claiming in Add and Remove Programs that there
was a Deer Park Alpha 2 hiding somewhere), and risk of making people
think that being able to install Cassowary next to Thunderbird means
that Cassowary won't make any changes to their profile that won't carry
back into Thunderbird (unlikely to be true, no matter which code name
Cassowary is).
Anyway, if we're going to rebrand alphas, we need to do it (it would be
confusing at best to have Thunderbird 3.0a1 in /thunderbird/releases/
and Cassowary 3.0a2+ in /thunderbird/releases/cassowary/), and given our
lack of experience and lack of QA eyeball-pairs, we need to practice up
by rebranding trunk, so we need to pick two names, tout de suite, and
get someone to produce two sets of artwork (there are multiple
background images, between the installer and About, some of which
include the app name in the image, plus icons in a variety of sizes and
formats, and speaking as one of the few people who've seen our existing
"Mail/News" non-Thunderbird branding, no, we won't be using that for
either rebranding, at all, no matter what). Depending on who we can find
to do artwork, and how many missteps we make along the way, maybe slip
a1 by a week or so?
Oh, and we need to make sure the name and artwork are awesome,
different-yet-familiar and as good as the Thunderbird artwork or better:
Firefox, which could afford to, lost a fair number of nightly testers
who decided they didn't want to test nightlies badly enough to live with
an ugly bomb with a less-cool name. We can maybe afford to lose one
nightly tester, two tops. As long as they're on Windows, since on other
platforms we don't have enough to spare a single one.
Phil Ringnalda
Ron K.
Phil,
I greatly appreciate all the information you have just shared.
Where could I get a rundown on what items of artwork will be needed.
Until I can evaluate what is needed, I will be unable to decide if my
skills from theatre set work are a match to the task. I do have the
time and a copy of Paint Shop Pro 7 (It can do transparent PNG images)
to bring to the table.
Phil Ringnalda
> Where could I get a rundown on what items of artwork will be needed.
If all the images in and below
http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/other-licenses/branding/thunderbird/
aren't all of them, then that would be one of the bugs we need to be
finding out about: in theory, you should be able to completely rebrand
with the content of a branding directory.
Ron K.
OK, I looked though the Tb level folder and the Content sub-folder and
the PNG and BMP stuff is straight forward. What are the *.xpm files?
What about the stuff being used for web publication. I am referring to
release notes or any other stuff You have learned about.
Phil Ringnalda
> OK, I looked though the Tb level folder and the Content sub-folder and
> the PNG and BMP stuff is straight forward. What are the *.xpm files?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_PixMap - never had to touch one myself,
but that's what's used for icons (window and desktop both, I think) for
the Linux builds. The GIMP will save png as xpm, though I don't know
about the quality of the conversion, or whether that's the right way to
go about creating them.
> What about the stuff being used for web publication.
No idea - Mozilla webdev, and the web page requirements for a release,
are a world of their own, and not my world.
ovidiu
>
>> Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote:
>>> Joshua Cranmer:
>>>> How about flightless birds? To me it suggests something not quite
>>>> ready to "take off":
>>>>
>>>> Penguin
>>>> Emu
>>>> Ostrich
>>>> Dodo (on second thought, maybe not...)
>
> Should the name be a little easier to remember for non-Americans?
> Vulture is, but not the names like Cassowaries :)
>
ovidiu
> Phil Ringnalda keyboarded, On 4/23/2008 1:25 AM :
>> Ron K. wrote:
>>> Where could I get a rundown on what items of artwork will be needed.
>>
>> If all the images in and below
>> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/other-licenses/branding/thunderbird/
>> aren't all of them, then that would be one of the bugs we need to be
>> finding out about: in theory, you should be able to completely
>> rebrand with the content of a branding directory.
>
> OK, I looked though the Tb level folder and the Content sub-folder and
> the PNG and BMP stuff is straight forward. What are the *.xpm files?
>
> What about the stuff being used for web publication. I am referring to
> release notes or any other stuff You have learned about.
>
http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/xpm
try to open of those moz xpm icons with Gimp2, I failed!
Axel Hecht
I seriously doubt that Cassowaries is easy to remember for a native
speaker. Looking at wikipedia, the name is Malai kesuari, it's just that
the imperialistic dumb nuts didn't get that right again. Can you say
"Mumbai"? ;-)
Axel
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Robert Kaiser
> I noticed this topic in the draft agenda for the 04/22/2008 staff call.
> So to kick off the ideas I suggest names from the Raptor class of birds
> for the Alpha and Beta previews.
In the SeaMonkey project, we basically stayed away from codenames as
they tend to decrease brand awareness, and our "SeaMonkey" brand already
isn't too visible in the first place.
Firefox uses codenaes quite aggressively to not fool normal users and
media into believing that trunk nightlies or alphas would be releases
(and FF doesn't have the problem of a nit-so-visible brand name).
I guess Thunderbird is somewhere in between - wherever that leads you... ;-)
Robert Kaiser
Tony Mechelynck
PNG icons can also be used on Linux, and other Mozilla apps are moving
in that direction, see
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412049
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404402
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411494
Best regards,
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Ron K.
> On 23/04/08 09:29, Phil Ringnalda wrote:
>> Ron K. wrote:
>>> OK, I looked though the Tb level folder and the Content sub-folder and
>>> the PNG and BMP stuff is straight forward. What are the *.xpm files?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_PixMap - never had to touch one myself,
>> but that's what's used for icons (window and desktop both, I think) for
>> the Linux builds. The GIMP will save png as xpm, though I don't know
>> about the quality of the conversion, or whether that's the right way to
>> go about creating them.
>>
>>> What about the stuff being used for web publication.
>>
>> No idea - Mozilla webdev, and the web page requirements for a release,
>> are a world of their own, and not my world.
>>
>
> PNG icons can also be used on Linux, and other Mozilla apps are moving
> in that direction, see
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412049
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404402
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411494
>
> Best regards,
> Tony.
That is nice to hear as it will simplify icon creation.
Karsten Düsterloh
> However, owls are associated (in the popular imagination) with
> night-sight or even wisdom, eagles with nobility, and hawks and falcons
> are (or used to be) comparatively small birds domesticated for
> hunting...
And what does your hippogriff stand for? Food? Much food? ;-)
Karsten
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> In the SeaMonkey project, we basically stayed away from codenames
Actually, we couldn't quite resist while moving from XPFE to Toolkit -
although "Suiterunner" was never used officially... ;-)
Robert Kaiser
> Robert Kaiser aber hob zu reden an und schrieb:
>> In the SeaMonkey project, we basically stayed away from codenames
>
> Actually, we couldn't quite resist while moving from XPFE to Toolkit -
> although "Suiterunner" was never used officially... ;-)
Right. We adopted it as a word to be able to tell trunk and trunk
apart... When two versions are just different compile options but have
the same version number and tree, it's useful to have some name for
telling them apart. ;-)
But as we don't have that problem any more, we mostly reverted back to
the codename-free world now, as you know :)
Robert Kaiser
Tony Mechelynck
> Tony Mechelynck aber hob zu reden an und schrieb:
>> However, owls are associated (in the popular imagination) with
>> night-sight or even wisdom, eagles with nobility, and hawks and falcons
>> are (or used to be) comparatively small birds domesticated for
>> hunting...
>
> And what does your hippogriff stand for? Food? Much food? ;-)
>
>
> Karsten
A huge flying being from fantasy tales, which might tear you to rags if
it doesn't like the way you look at it. There is a very detailed
description in one of the Harry Potter stories.
Best regards,
Tony.
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