[SM21+] Opening a bookmark group - replace existing tabs
Stanimir Stamenkov
When opening a bookmark group:
( ) Add tabs (x) Replace existing tabs
doesn't appear to have any effect any more. When choosing the "Open
All in Tabs" folder item, bookmarks get always added to the current tab.
Additionally, it is quite confusing it always replaces the current
tab (even when it is not <about:blank>) with the first from the
bookmark group/folder being opened. So it is neither acting as
"Replace existing tabs", nor like "Add tabs". Holding Ctrl while
clicking on "Open All in Tabs" adds the bookmarks after the last
tab, but I find either this or "Replace existing tabs" more
intuitive or useful (may be I've been just more used to the old
behavior).
As far as I see this is just the same with Firefox 5 (haven't tried
with 4 or 3.6). I guess this option and the UI should be removed so
it won't cause confusion.
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Jens Hatlak
> The tabbed browsing preference:
>
> When opening a bookmark group:
>
> ( ) Add tabs (x) Replace existing tabs
>
> doesn't appear to have any effect any more.
Yes, this is <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664101>.
Meanwhile it has been added to the Release Notes (Known Issues), too.
HTH
Jens
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Stanimir Stamenkov
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>
>> The tabbed browsing preference:
>>
>> When opening a bookmark group:
>>
>> ( ) Add tabs (x) Replace existing tabs
>>
>> doesn't appear to have any effect any more.
>
> Yes, this is <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664101>.
>
> Meanwhile it has been added to the Release Notes (Known Issues), too.
I should know to read the "Known Issues" first, before restating
them. Thanks for pointing it out and sorry about the noise.
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Arnie Goetchius
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>> The tabbed browsing preference:
>>
>> When opening a bookmark group:
>>
>> ( ) Add tabs (x) Replace existing tabs
>>
>> doesn't appear to have any effect any more.
>
> Yes, this is <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664101>.
>
> Meanwhile it has been added to the Release Notes (Known Issues), too.
>
> HTH
>
> Jens
>
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=616601
Neil
> The tabbed browsing preference:
>
> When opening a bookmark group:
>
> ( ) Add tabs (x) Replace existing tabs
>
> doesn't appear to have any effect any more. When choosing the "Open
> All in Tabs" folder item, bookmarks get always added to the current tab.
Out of interest, when you choose "Replace existing tabs", what would you
expect
a) when you click Back
b) when you currently have more tabs than the group you're opening
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Stanimir Stamenkov
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>
>> The tabbed browsing preference:
>>
>> When opening a bookmark group:
>>
>> ( ) Add tabs (x) Replace existing tabs
>>
>> doesn't appear to have any effect any more. When choosing the
>> "Open All in Tabs" folder item, bookmarks get always added to the
>> current tab.
>
> Out of interest, when you choose "Replace existing tabs", what would
> you expect
> a) when you click Back
I would prefer that "Back" doesn't restore previous tabs as with the
old behavior, but to have a context menu option to "Undo Replace
Tabs" (like "Undo Close Tab").
> b) when you currently have more tabs than the group you're opening
I'm not sure how does this make a difference? I expect all current
tabs replaced by the set of tabs contained in the folder/group being
opened.
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Stanimir
Neil
> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:06:23 +0100, /Neil/:
>
>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>
>>> The tabbed browsing preference:
>>>
>>> When opening a bookmark group:
>>>
>>> ( ) Add tabs (x) Replace existing tabs
>>>
>>> doesn't appear to have any effect any more. When choosing the "Open
>>> All in Tabs" folder item, bookmarks get always added to the current
>>> tab.
>>
>> Out of interest, when you choose "Replace existing tabs", what would
>> you expect
>> a) when you click Back
>
> I would prefer that "Back" doesn't restore previous tabs as with the
> old behavior, but to have a context menu option to "Undo Replace Tabs"
> (like "Undo Close Tab").
That's probably not going to be possible, sorry.
>> b) when you currently have more tabs than the group you're opening
>
> I'm not sure how does this make a difference? I expect all current
> tabs replaced by the set of tabs contained in the folder/group being
> opened.
Unfortunately this means that any surplus tabs would be permanently
destroyed.
Justin Wood (Callek)
In my opinion, a useful solution for this, in terms of UI, would be to
*close* all previously opened tabs, (letting them be visible in "Undo
Closed Tabs") and open the set of bookmarks as entirely new tabs, thus
not reusing back/forward, etc.
It should not be our default pref settings though, as its not as easily
discoverable "what happened to my old tabs" (and default should be open
in entirely new tabs preserving old tabs).
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Philip Chee
We could even leverage Sessionrestore to save those tabs. Call them Undo
Closed Groups?
> It should not be our default pref settings though, as its not as easily
> discoverable "what happened to my old tabs" (and default should be open
> in entirely new tabs preserving old tabs).
Phil
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Neil
>On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:17:57 -0400, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>
>
>>On 6/23/2011 10:58 AM, Neil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:06:23 +0100, /Neil/:
>>>>
>>>>>b) when you currently have more tabs than the group you're opening
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure how does this make a difference? I expect all current tabs replaced by the set of tabs contained in the folder/group being opened.
>>>>
>>>Unfortunately this means that any surplus tabs would be permanently destroyed.
>>>
>>In my opinion, a useful solution for this, in terms of UI, would be to *close* all previously opened tabs, (letting them be visible in "Undo Closed Tabs") and open the set of bookmarks as entirely new tabs, thus not reusing back/forward, etc.
>>
>>
>We could even leverage Sessionrestore to save those tabs. Call them Undo Closed Groups?
>
>
What if the number of surplus tabs is more than the number of tabs that
Session Store will save?
Philip Chee
There's a limit? I know that therube has upward of 200 tabs open at most
times. (How one manages 200 open tabs baffles me frankly).
Neil
>On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:23:07 +0100, Neil wrote:
>
>
>>What if the number of surplus tabs is more than the number of tabs that Session Store will save?
>>
>>
>There's a limit?
>
On closed tabs, yes.
Philip Chee
> Philip Chee wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:23:07 +0100, Neil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What if the number of surplus tabs is more than the number of tabs that Session Store will save?
>>>
>>>
>>There's a limit?
>>
> On closed tabs, yes.
You save a session full of tabs just before closing all of them and
opening a new bookmark group/folder.
Stanimir Stamenkov
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>> Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:06:23 +0100, /Neil/:
>>
>>> would you expect
>>> a) when you click Back
>>
>> I would prefer that "Back" doesn't restore previous tabs as with
>> the old behavior, but to have a context menu option to "Undo
>> Replace Tabs" (like "Undo Close Tab").
>
> That's probably not going to be possible, sorry.
>
>>> b) when you currently have more tabs than the group you're opening
>>
>> I'm not sure how does this make a difference? I expect all current
>> tabs replaced by the set of tabs contained in the folder/group
>> being opened.
>
> Unfortunately this means that any surplus tabs would be permanently
> destroyed.
Thinking more about it, I don't mind having previous tabs
permanently destroyed as long as "Replace Tabs" replaces the whole
current set of tabs. I don't remember needing to go back to the
previous set of tabs after opening a bookmarked group, so far.
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Stanimir
Neil
>You save a session full of tabs just before closing all of them and opening a new bookmark group/folder.
>
>
I take it you'll volunteer Misak to write the patch ;-)
Philip Chee
> Philip Chee wrote:
>
>>You save a session full of tabs just before closing all of them and opening a new bookmark group/folder.
>>
> I take it you'll volunteer Misak to write the patch ;-)
I'd just steal some code from the Session Manager extension.
MCBastos
> Thinking more about it, I don't mind having previous tabs
> permanently destroyed as long as "Replace Tabs" replaces the whole
> current set of tabs. I don't remember needing to go back to the
> previous set of tabs after opening a bookmarked group, so far.
You might not, but others might. Basing design decisions on what an
individual person -- any individual person -- considers "acceptable
loss" is probably not a good idea.
I can offhand give you a good case for wanting to go back to the
previous group of tabs -- the most trivial one: user mistake. User opens
a set of tabs forgetting he still needed something from the previous
set. User wants to go back...
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Stanimir Stamenkov
> Interviewed by CNN on 28/06/2011 03:15, Stanimir Stamenkov told the world:
>
>> Thinking more about it, I don't mind having previous tabs
>> permanently destroyed as long as "Replace Tabs" replaces the whole
>> current set of tabs. I don't remember needing to go back to the
>> previous set of tabs after opening a bookmarked group, so far.
>
> You might not, but others might. Basing design decisions on what an
> individual person -- any individual person -- considers "acceptable
> loss" is probably not a good idea.
Yes, it is my personal opinion an experience. I have not meant it
as final solution, but as workaround, for starters. If enough
people agree with it, it might become not only my opinion. If not,
it would bu just my opinion, but I have to state, don't you agree?
Do you think any design decision would be based solely on my opinion?
> I can offhand give you a good case for wanting to go back to the
> previous group of tabs -- the most trivial one: user mistake. User opens
> a set of tabs forgetting he still needed something from the previous
> set. User wants to go back...
Yeah, user mistake is a reason one would want to have an undo
functionality, but prior SM 2.0 there was no "Undo Close Tab", even
(w/o resorting to extensions). I usually (though not always) open a
group of tabs in a window which has a single blank tab, so I think
my opinion sounds reasonable, if everything else is impossible. In
my opinion, with the new "Open All in Tabs" item, it is harder to
open a group/folder accidentally than it was previously, also.
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