Picking up on Local Communities things: Tabzilla, Generic Copy and other stuff

[Leo McArdle]

Peoples!

A while back, we had an awesome session at MozCamp where we discussed
all manner of things related to Local Communities. Recently, I dropped
the ball slightly, as other bits of life got in the way of Mozilla
things, but that time gave me time to reflect that I had been focusing
too much on where 'MCS' stood within Mozilla, and not enough time
actually getting stuff done.

Let's get some stuff done!

Sean and Matej promised a slightly modified tabzilla just for Community
Sites and some generic copy for sites at MozCamp. What, where and how
would be the best place to formally request those, guys?

Tying into the modified tabzilla, I think it would be nice to have a
consistent 'brand' among community sites (possibly as part of the
modified tabzilla) to link us all together.

Going slightly further, updating the local communities section on
mozilla.org/contribute to bedrock & sandstone, and adding more features
(like a zoomable map, I know in Europe there's so many communities it's
hard to click on the one you want!).

Finally, as for where this can all live, I think the local communities
section of the style guide fits perfectly.

Thanks! (And apologies for any typos, repetition or half-finished
sentences - I'm on a train, and not fully awake yet...)
~ Leo

[Matej Novak]

(+ John Slater)

Hi Leo,

Thanks so much for bringing this back up. We've been talking about this on and off and it's still something we want to do. I think the modified version of tabzilla was just a suggestion and example, however, but we do want to explore an option along those lines.

There's currently some brand and website work underway that may affect this, so I think we should wait until that's complete later this year. In the meantime, let's keep the dialogue running and come up with a plan so we can hit the ground running when it's time.

Sean or John, anything to add?

—
Matej Novak • Copywriter • Mozilla

+1.416.356.1926 • @matejnovak • matejnovak.com

On Wednesday, 10 July, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Leo McArdle wrote:

> Peoples!
>
> A while back, we had an awesome session at MozCamp where we discussed
> all manner of things related to Local Communities. Recently, I dropped
> the ball slightly, as other bits of life got in the way of Mozilla
> things, but that time gave me time to reflect that I had been focusing
> too much on where 'MCS' stood within Mozilla, and not enough time
> actually getting stuff done.
>
> Let's get some stuff done!
>
> Sean and Matej promised a slightly modified tabzilla just for Community
> Sites and some generic copy for sites at MozCamp. What, where and how
> would be the best place to formally request those, guys?
>
> Tying into the modified tabzilla, I think it would be nice to have a
> consistent 'brand' among community sites (possibly as part of the
> modified tabzilla) to link us all together.
>
> Going slightly further, updating the local communities section on

> mozilla.org/contribute (http://mozilla.org/contribute) to bedrock & sandstone, and adding more features

[John Slater]

Leo, I'm really glad you brought this up. I agree with Matej that we're probably not quite ready to start, but it is something we should tackle before too long. Am open to suggestions as to the best way to proceed...does anyone want to 'own' this in the sense of gathering community requirements and making sure it stays on Sean's, Matej's and my radar?

Thanks
John

On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Matej Novak wrote:

> (+ John Slater)
>
> Hi Leo,
>
> Thanks so much for bringing this back up. We've been talking about this on and off and it's still something we want to do. I think the modified version of tabzilla was just a suggestion and example, however, but we do want to explore an option along those lines.
>
> There's currently some brand and website work underway that may affect this, so I think we should wait until that's complete later this year. In the meantime, let's keep the dialogue running and come up with a plan so we can hit the ground running when it's time.
>
> Sean or John, anything to add?
>
> —
> Matej Novak • Copywriter • Mozilla
>
> +1.416.356.1926 • @matejnovak • matejnovak.com
>
> On Wednesday, 10 July, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Leo McArdle wrote:
>
>> Peoples!
>>
>> A while back, we had an awesome session at MozCamp where we discussed
>> all manner of things related to Local Communities. Recently, I dropped
>> the ball slightly, as other bits of life got in the way of Mozilla
>> things, but that time gave me time to reflect that I had been focusing
>> too much on where 'MCS' stood within Mozilla, and not enough time
>> actually getting stuff done.
>>
>> Let's get some stuff done!
>>
>> Sean and Matej promised a slightly modified tabzilla just for Community
>> Sites and some generic copy for sites at MozCamp. What, where and how
>> would be the best place to formally request those, guys?
>>
>> Tying into the modified tabzilla, I think it would be nice to have a
>> consistent 'brand' among community sites (possibly as part of the
>> modified tabzilla) to link us all together.
>>
>> Going slightly further, updating the local communities section on

>> mozilla.org/contribute to bedrock & sandstone, and adding more features

[Leo McArdle]

I'm happy to gather information from communities as to what communities
want/need relating to this, and I'm happy to nag^H^H^H^H ensure it stays
on you guys' radars.

What sort of information are you looking for from communities?

~ Leo

On 10/07/13 15:41, John Slater wrote:
> Leo, I'm really glad you brought this up. I agree with Matej that we're
> probably not quite ready to start, but it is something we should tackle
> before too long. Am open to suggestions as to the best way to
> proceed...does anyone want to 'own' this in the sense of gathering
> community requirements and making sure it stays on Sean's, Matej's and
> my radar?
>
> Thanks
> John
>
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Matej Novak wrote:
>
>> (+ John Slater)
>>
>> Hi Leo,
>>
>> Thanks so much for bringing this back up. We've been talking about
>> this on and off and it's still something we want to do. I think the
>> modified version of tabzilla was just a suggestion and example,
>> however, but we do want to explore an option along those lines.
>>
>> There's currently some brand and website work underway that may affect
>> this, so I think we should wait until that's complete later this year.
>> In the meantime, let's keep the dialogue running and come up with a
>> plan so we can hit the ground running when it's time.
>>
>> Sean or John, anything to add?
>>
>> —
>> Matej Novak • Copywriter • Mozilla
>>

>> +1.416.356.1926 • @matejnovak • matejnovak.com <http://matejnovak.com>

>>
>> On Wednesday, 10 July, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Leo McArdle wrote:
>>
>>> Peoples!
>>>
>>> A while back, we had an awesome session at MozCamp where we discussed
>>> all manner of things related to Local Communities. Recently, I dropped
>>> the ball slightly, as other bits of life got in the way of Mozilla
>>> things, but that time gave me time to reflect that I had been focusing
>>> too much on where 'MCS' stood within Mozilla, and not enough time
>>> actually getting stuff done.
>>>
>>> Let's get some stuff done!
>>>
>>> Sean and Matej promised a slightly modified tabzilla just for Community
>>> Sites and some generic copy for sites at MozCamp. What, where and how
>>> would be the best place to formally request those, guys?
>>>
>>> Tying into the modified tabzilla, I think it would be nice to have a
>>> consistent 'brand' among community sites (possibly as part of the
>>> modified tabzilla) to link us all together.
>>>
>>> Going slightly further, updating the local communities section on

>>> mozilla.org/contribute <http://mozilla.org/contribute> to bedrock &

[John Slater]

Thanks Leo! The nagging will definitely help.

I think for starters it would be great to get a sense of what the communities need for their websites...then we can break that into separate projects as needed. For example, if we were going to do a community version of tabzilla (a different color, perhaps), is there anything we should keep in mind when creating it? And more long term, if we were going to do a new community website visual theme, what are the different content, visual, technical, etc requirements we should keep in mind?

Really appreciate it.

John

[Thomas (Tad(dle)]

I really don't want community editions of stuff. One Mozilla.

All Mozilla websites should look identical, IMHO, and function the same. I'm not to keen on us moving to this metro style looks which seems to be slowly appearing around to place, as well, because we are mozilla. We are unique.

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[Sean Martell]

Hey all,

For concerns around this not being "one Mozilla" I disagree that calling out our different groups within Mozilla is breaking the "togetherness".

The reason for this is that it helps create a visual separation for easier understanding of where you are in our ecosystem. When you have as many websites as we do, it's important that we look into helping the end user with visual cues as to where they are in that ecosystem.

We can be one Mozilla and still highlight the various groups that make us whole. Organization does not mean separation.

Thanks!

[William Duyck]

I agree with Sean. Its not just "One Mozilla" That's only part of the theme
too... its like the short hand. The long form is "Many Voices, One Mozilla"

The One Mozilla part to me would mean some visual consistency (provided by
tabzilla and the styleguide). The last MCS had a visual consistency among
MCS sites, and then we go tabzilla. Now most have adopted variations of the
sandstone theme.

Anyhow... I think making people switch again is wrong. Considering we have
such a beautiful theme we're working off now, and tabzilla, along with the
other bits from the styleguide. I'd say some kind of additional section on
tabzilla (something like the mockup Sean made at mozcampeu last year) is
the best approach. That's just my opinion though :)


FuzzyFox

[David Boswell]

Leo,

Great to see you driving things forward with supporting community sites.

> Going slightly further, updating the local communities section on

> mozilla.org/contribute to bedrock & sandstone, and adding more features

> (like a zoomable map, I know in Europe there's so many communities it's
> hard to click on the one you want!).

There has been some recent movement with updating the local community maps and moving them to Bedrock. Check out the thinking on the following bug and jump in there if you're interested in helping to wrap this up.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=839563

Thanks,
David

[Majken Connor]

Just want to add in that I also really want to emphasize the "many voices"
part over the "one mozilla"

To me the expression means that we are all valued as individuals and that
our individual thoughts and ideas are what come together to make Mozilla.
"One Mozilla" sounds too much like the Borg, we don't want to be
assimilated, we don't want to have to watch what we say and make sure we're
"toeing" the company line.

We should have certain elements that help a user know it's Mozilla, but
then let the rest be left to the imagination, to suit the site or group
that's being represented. Think about all the google custom logos,
everyone LOVES those! I know I go to google just to see the logo if I hear
about it. I'd never go to google just to make sure the logo was the same :-p