Re: [Webmaker] Mozilla Mobile Messenger

[Soumya Deb]

Of course, Sankha! Let's do this...

(Cross posting to MCS list, to keep the folks updated)



On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Sankha Narayan Guria <sank...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Something that I would like to add here, that Lawrence raised in the first
> mail. It would be good to have something like WhatsApp based on the open
> web platform, with all APIs available to be used from any client
> application. The current communication methods of IRC needs everybody to be
> online, and email is way to formal. We should have something that is quick
> and short like SMS.
>
> I was conceptualizing an idea like this for sometime now. How about we go
> for developing this as well? This could serve as a good means for
> communication, not just from the mobile, but from any device that supports
> the web.
>
> Looking for feedback. :)
>
> Thanks,
> Sankha Narayan Guria
> Twitter: @sankha93
> Website: http://sankha93.github.com/
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Lawrence,
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Lawrence Kisuuki <
>> lawrenc...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Deb,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the reply. Glad to know you already thought of it.
>> >
>> > WebRTC is good. The time frame had scared me as well cause IRC maybe
>> > easy to embed but voice and video might be the longer hurdle. I'm
>> > doing research into it as well.
>> >
>>
>> Just wanna clarify, the idea isn't to put a mibbit-iframe inside a
>> webpage,
>> or develop a mibbit-like ajax-client - there's no embedding. The idea is
>> to
>> develop a wrapper around IRC protocol & handle it with SocketIO, instead
>> of
>> primitive AJAX polling on keep-alive connections. So, implementing it will
>> take quite a while too.
>>
>> Although, I don't suggest doing all of it at once in one go. May be we can
>> take a step-by-step approach.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Definitely, webmaker is going to help us get some ideas and those that
>> > want to help then later we can package it and take it to the Dev group
>> > you said.
>> >
>>
>> Exactly so! ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> > Will be in touch.
>> >
>> > On 3/17/13, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Hi Lawrence,
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for bringing this up, and let me assure you - you're not the
>> first
>> > > one to be annoyed for not having a more seamless communication channel
>> > for
>> > > Mozillians. ;)
>> > >
>> > > As part of Mozilla Community Sites (MCS) project, I already have
>> proposed
>> > > an integrated communication medium that deals with putting IRC,
>> emailing,
>> > > Voice & Video conferencing in one combined system. I've
>> conceptualized it
>> > > to be a complete web-solution - as I see it being very technically
>> > possible
>> > > now, using WebSockets & WebRTC (also, using Persona for
>> authentication).
>> > > I've codenamed it "Flux" - it still is in conceptualization phase.
>> > >
>> > > Good as it sounds like, it will, though, take some time to get
>> > prototyped -
>> > > and that's the part I'm not sure of - how much time I can dedicate for
>> > > this, now. Usually it should take full-time involvement of about 3
>> months
>> > > for dev to showcase a working prototype.
>> > >
>> > > I think Mozilla Community Tools project lists are better channel for
>> this
>> > > this discussion. But, to gather more user-stories, let's hear it first
>> > from
>> > > the webmakers to help shape the application.
>> > >
>> > > So, hit it with feature requests (and clarifications, if you need).
>> > > Cheers!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Lawrence Kisuuki
>> > > <lawrenc...@gmail.com
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hello,
>> > >>
>> > >> *Sayak*, remember the inter-community effort I talked about with you
>> on
>> > >> the lists, I think we have already started achieving it through
>> GenOpen
>> > >> collaboration. Anyway to the point, for some time now and since last
>> > time
>> > >> I've been thinking about us making a web app for a mobile messenger
>> > (okay
>> > >> not only mobile, should also work on P.C or on a site) something reps
>> > >> could
>> > >> use to communicate with each other just to socialize. You must agree
>> > with
>> > >> me that we lack such a tool since IRC and the lists are a bit
>> official
>> > >> with
>> > >> several protocols.
>> > >>
>> > >> *San James* and *Deb*, this is where you come in. You guys are some
>> of
>> > >> the most brilliant coding reps I know. I need your help, can we
>> create
>> > >> this? If you know any other rep or even non-rep who can help us,
>> please
>> > >> add
>> > >> them to this discussion. They don't really need to be coders, they
>> could
>> > >> just be very creative to help us think through great ideas. I may not
>> > >> actively code on this one either, I must admit the code on this one
>> is
>> > >> beyond me. I just have the picture. Imagine how awesome it would be
>> to
>> > >> text
>> > >> anyone in the world in real time on an open standard and communicate
>> > with
>> > >> ease over IP 'cause sadly whatsapp doesn't offer it's API :( (Yes I
>> > tried
>> > >> to find it, but in vain). We could map the idea and later even
>> > distribute
>> > >> it through Mozilla's downloads, if they let us :/
>> > >>
>> > >> What do you think? Looking forward to hearing from you and the
>> webmakers
>> > >> out there.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> >
>> > *
>> > *Lawrence
>> > *
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[Rubén Martín]

Sounds good, I think that it should be based on jabber and federated.

Also keep in mind we should need to involve contact phones to do the
connections so it would be easy for people to install and done, but also
having in mind privacy, let users choose whatever or not they want to add
which contacts.

Usernames should be like countryC...@server.org (this would be
transparent to the user).

Obviously, let's search first if someone else is working on a similar
project, I know that jabber webapps are already being developed ;)

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[Lawrence Kisuuki]

Deb, Yes, I now get the point. And true we should take it slowly a step at
a time, that will even help us cover all angles :))

Sankha, yes definitely my point. You don't know how I've longed for that.
So when can we begin? Hehe, this going to be an exciting and cool journey :p

PS: +1 Deb for cross-posting to the MCS list.

[San Emmanuel James Olweny]

Thanks y'all for all the great ideas,

I guess as Deb pointed out earlier, we should proceed with creating a clear
picture of the application and what technical skills needed to realize it
and then guys can take on it and make happen.

I will be looking forward to next steps on this project.

Cheers!
San James.


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Lawrence Kisuuki <

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[Sayak Sarkar]

Hey Lawrence,

My apologies for the late reply. I had been traveling for the last couple
of days.

There have been some amazing ideas floating about in this thread, and if
something like this can be implemented, it would be of huge help to us all.
Instead of going into the technical details, I'll try to share something
that I think should be the ideal implementation. (Hint: This has earlier
been talked about in this thread.)

Given the fact that we already have IRC channels, social media
implementations on yammer, FB, Google+, etc, I think the concern should be
on a more organic and seamless method of communication. One thing that's
already been hinted is something like WhatsApp, and that's something I
really like. I keep finding myself checking-in using Foursquare, chatting
up on WhatsApp, editing photos on Instagram, and connecting all of these to
my twitter account, so that everything is available to my followers via
twitter(or FB). However, what's missing is the option of a seamless chat
experience combined with the rest(maybe using APIs) dedicated for
Mozillians. Yammer went really close to this, however, I find the mobile
app for it plain Heavy (My phone is a medium rang android afterall) just
like the FB app, however what's appealing in WhatsApp is its simple and
light design combined with the seamless experience.

Maybe we can find a possible use case here. What do you think?

Regards,
Sayak


On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Rubén Martín
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[Lawrence Kisuuki]

Thanks Sayak, Ruben,

This is awesome. I'm trying to link up with my code mate here J.B and we
try to build the other side of the app, integrating the social networks
like Sayak said. posting to twitter, facebook, foursquare because we had
built a mobile "tweetdeck" of our own with J.B to keep track of our
hashtags :)

So what part of the projects are you taking on. Oh by the way Ruben, I
don't know much about Jabber...... :/ but I think if it can get us a
whatsapp like feel and lightness in the app then lets do it....

Thanks.

Looking forward to hearing from you and the progress.

[Guillermo López]

Adding Giovanny, since he has some ideas for this talk client.

Cheers!


2013/3/20 Lawrence Kisuuki <lawrenc...@gmail.com>

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[Lawrence Kisuuki]

Hello Miguel,

I really love this. You are a great thinker. I think we should begin on
this right away since we even hve the opportunity that Whatsapp is going
premium. I will try to talk to some of my friends in Mozilla Corp and see
if they can give us a server or are willing to give us hosting space for it.

We need a name for the app and to now actually structure the whole thing.
Will add you to the google group for mozilla community sites when I get
time so that you meet the other team and also see what we had thought of so
far. I think right now what we need is to actually build and host some base
code on github or butbucket and kick off the dev run. Don't know how long
it will take though but I'm optimistic :)

Please keep sending me these ideas and ways - forward, you should be on the
main team.....you will make this amazing.

Thanks.

*Regards,

*
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*
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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Miguel David Q <miguel...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi .. sorry for the delay.... i was looking for new home :)
>
> @San Emmanuel... Tnks
>
> >>> Did you send this to the community sites mailing lists?
> No, what list is that one ?
>
> I'm thinking a lot about this topic.
>
> The other day i was checking personas, the login system from mozilla witch
> can be implemented on this chat. The only thing im not sure is about the
> privacy.
>
> In my last email to talk about ALIAS, that for me is one of the most
> important futures for this application because I can keep my private life
> separate from my work life.
>
> I dont know why no one think in this topic, i got multiples accounts in
> different services, and the problem for me is not remember all passwords,
> the problem for me is to remember all logins. XD
>
> For example in gmail i got this email for work, i got a personal one and
> finally one for my university. Total 3 emails. (ment I have over 30) :P
>
> It would be great if you could have with Personas alias, and so being
> able to logging in to the same service with different identities and that
> the service never knew and my contacts in each account neither
>
> Returning to chat the main goal here is to create a complete
> communication tool of the 21st century, we are in 2013 and we have not
> solved our communication systems.
>
> When I was in the last century I thought in 2000 as the future and something
> as basic as communications is still far from resolved especially regarding
> our privacy
>
> Just to cite one example whatsapp announcement a few weeks ago that would
> become a paid app and everyone ran to get a new application. another
> think, whatsapp is just chat and has no privacy.
>
> Right now I use more than 8 different applications to communicate.
> Whatsapp.
> Skype.
> GTalk.
> IRC.
> Raidcall
> Line.
> Viper
> Gmail.
> and
> Facebook (wish I could stop using it)
> ....... and all are highly invasive with our privacy.
>
> Thats is insane.
>
> A reflection:
> How help keep our private browsing if practically all our communications
> are public?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Lawrence Kisuuki <
> lkis...@mozilla-uganda.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello Miguel,
>>
>> Did you send this to the community sites mailing lists? It is a great
>> idea and we share the ambition.
>>
>> I suggest we start the program in bits and build on it with time, I think
>> then we can do it faster.
>>
>> I'm really busy so can't say much now, but we should talk more.
>>
>> Looking forward to hear from you.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> *Regards,
>>
>> *
>> *Lawrence
>>
>> *
>> *Community Manager

>> *
>> *Mozilla Uganda| Newslibre.com| Innovware*
>>
>>

>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:44 AM, San Emmanuel James Olweny <
>> sjol...@mozilla-uganda.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Miguel,
>>>
>>> I think your ideas are totally awesome as they render a complete
>>> solution that we all need.
>>>
>>> We just need to work around how all this can be implemented therein.
>>>
>>> Will keep sharing with you everything as it unfolds,
>>>
>>> I hope that helps,
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> San James.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Miguel David Q <miguel...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>> I wold like to help whit some ideas for the Firefox Messenger.
>>>>
>>>> Some days ago i talk with a friend about this in one Appday in Bogota
>>>> Colombia, because i think this is a key for the success of FirefoxOS, a
>>>> good messenger solution is crucial for the adaptation of this devices.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have the knowledge to make a prototype, but I'm studying to
>>>> someday be able to show my ideas :)
>>>>
>>>> We try to start developing something, but so far we do not have one line
>>>> of code: S
>>>> https://bitbucket.org/ccarruitero/counet/issues?status=new&status=open
>>>>
>>>> Some things I think should have:
>>>>
>>>> - Alias, this is very important, we are to many think on the
>>>> intertnet and in the real life. these aliases should be something
>>>> like a blackberry pin, we got 1 account with many (any as we need)
>>>> alias for use at different occasions, this guarantees the anonymity and
>>>> likewise we can separate our private lives from our work life without
>>>> driving multiples accounts.
>>>> - Users can delete alias without delete main acount.
>>>> - NO online status. This stops people to send messages, you must be like
>>>> email, it never interrupt as we work
>>>> - Chat, voice and video.
>>>> - File sharing.
>>>> - Desktop sharing.
>>>> - Draw Sharing.
>>>> - Text document sharing
>>>> - Rooms
>>>> - WORK ROOMS this meen, when we get into a work room we are
>>>> available for partners and they can easy contact us on those hours.
>>>> - a mode i call Ghost mode, is like be in a work room or chat room
>>>> just listening what is going on, like a subscription, this way we can make
>>>> like mail list and can replace google reader.
>>>> - Firefox Addon to recive notifications
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This messenger must a complete solution, nos just be a chat client,
>>>> chat clients are many in the market
>>>>
>>>> Too ambitious?? XD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure which is the appropriate channel for these ideas and if this
>>>> is where to be exposed, I'm just aprendis MozillaZine and I'm not quite
>>>> sure how this works.
>>>>
>>>> Besides not know if I understood very well the idea of this mail thread
>>>> . xD
>>>>
>>>> I hope my ideas will be well received and any input or feedback is
>>>> welcome.
>>>>
>>>> A good day to all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>>> 米高 大卫
>>>>
>>>> "Kotomi el mundo es hermoso, incluso cuando esté lleno de tristeza y
>>>> lágrimas, abre tus ojos. Haz lo que quieras hacer, se lo que quieras hacer,
>>>> haz amigos, no te apures y tomate tu tiempo en convertirte en adulto"

>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
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>

[Rubén Martín]

Recommendations:

* Create a pad with all the ideas.
* Fix a meeting to discuss and set feature priorities, send a doodle to fix
date and time.
* Create a gihub project, create an assign issues.
* Code!

Good look!

[Soumya Deb]

Agree with Nukeador's suggestion, that should be the next step once we're
decided about what we are exactly looking for.

So that I understand it better, does something like this work:
https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/chat/ ?
If yes, why so? If no, then what for? (yes, it's very early prototype - but
should be enough to give an idea)


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rubén Martín
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[Rubén Martín]

Hi again,

Has someone started to code something?

Willyaranda has some contacts with Spanish developers that already have
a good jabber client web app that could be the base of a bigger project.

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[Soumya Deb]

Hey Nukeador,

That's great... Are there any code to see? Repo, demo link etc. would do.

Thanks a lot!


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Rubén Martín
<nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org>wrote:

[Giovanny Gongora]

Hi,

There's someone working in a Jabber Client as Nukeador said, could someone
quote me the ideas for this project to give you my ideas, i am recently
added to the conversation. :P

Thanks

[Rubén Martín]

Ey, check this out :D

http://loqui.im/

Regards.

[Guillermo López]

This was shown this Wednesday on a hackday in Madrid.
It-was-just-pure-awesomenes!! :D

Chatting lag was under 1 second. And pretty stable.


2013/4/26 Rubén Martín <nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org>

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[Rubén Martín]

The developer has told us that the code will be on github this weekend :D

[Shafiul Azam]

+1 :D


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[Lawrence Kisuuki]

Hello,

Sorry I took long to get back to all of you.

I've created a team etherpad (
https://mozillamobilemessenger.etherpad.mozilla.org/)

And for starters I've put all the ideas that people were forwarding on the
mailing list and some that were sent directly to my community email in the
"Ideas" etherpad below. Please take a look here

https://mozillamobilemessenger.etherpad.mozilla.org/1

Then I created another one for "coding and way forward", here add your name
if your interested in helping coding any part of the project and what parts
exactly need to be coded. Also give ways forward rather suggestions on how
we should progress still here.

https://mozillamobilemessenger.etherpad.mozilla.org/2

Those who are interested to be administrators to the team etherpad you can
ping me on my community email. (lkis...@mozilla-uganda.org)

Could someone please help set up a github repo.....Thank you.

Cheers.

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*
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On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree with Nukeador's suggestion, that should be the next step once we're
> decided about what we are exactly looking for.
>
> So that I understand it better, does something like this work:
> https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/chat/ ?
> If yes, why so? If no, then what for? (yes, it's very early prototype -
> but should be enough to give an idea)
>
>

> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rubén Martín <
> nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org> wrote:
>
>> Recommendations:
>>
>> * Create a pad with all the ideas.
>> * Fix a meeting to discuss and set feature priorities, send a doodle to
>> fix
>> date and time.
>> * Create a gihub project, create an assign issues.
>> * Code!
>>
>> Good look!

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>

[Lawrence Kisuuki]

Oh Sorry I forgot,

The suggestions for the meetings, what channel to use, time and date should
be suggested on etherpad 2 (coding and ways forward)

Let's move forward and do this :)

*Regards,

*
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*
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*
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[Rubén Martín]

https://github.com/waalt/loqui

Hack furiously! :P

[Lawrence Kisuuki]

Hello,

Sorry I took long to get back to all of you.

I've created a team etherpad (
https://mozillamobilemessenger.etherpad.mozilla.org/)

And for starters I've put all the ideas that people were forwarding on the
mailing list and some that were sent directly to my community email in the
"Ideas" etherpad below. Please take a look here

https://mozillamobilemessenger.etherpad.mozilla.org/1

Then I created another one for "coding and way forward", here add your name
if your interested in helping coding any part of the project and what parts
exactly need to be coded. Also give ways forward rather suggestions on how
we should progress still here.

https://mozillamobilemessenger.etherpad.mozilla.org/2

Those who are interested to be administrators to the team etherpad you can
ping me on my community email. (lkis...@mozilla-uganda.org)

Could someone please help set up a github repo.....Thank you.

Cheers.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Shafiul Azam <isha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 :D

>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Rubén Martín <
> nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org> wrote:
>
>> The developer has told us that the code will be on github this weekend :D
>>

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