Many of you think we discarded the old MooTools site in exchange for a bland boring alternative. The reason we've upgraded the site to the new beautiful, simple, not-flashy-at-all site is because we want people to understand what MooTools is before they attempt to use it. We love the new site, and it's exactly what we want it to be. The old site did not convey the right image for the framework. MooTools was never meant to be a script that you drop in and paste some code from an example to add some crazy effects to your site, even though you know nothing about JavaScript. It is a framework for javascript developers. If that makes us sound eliteist, well then so be it, but understand that's not our goal. That being said, we also understand that no matter what we tell anyone, we cant force them to learn anything, and many people will use the tools we develop the wrong way... that's fine, they are open source for a reason.
We like the mailing list format a lot better, as it's what all developers around the world use, and we can view it from our own mail clients at our leisure. Please stop asking us to bring the forum back, or feel free to switch to another framework that provides their users with an official bulletin-board like forum software... (keep in mind, all other frameworks, including jQuery use a mailing list. None have an official forum, and none of their users complain about it)
That being said, there are other solutions. If you've never heard of Nabble, check it out. http://n2.nabble.com/MooTools-Users-f660466.html It's basically a forum interface for the mailing list. Also, the guys over at mooforum.net are doing a great job, better than we could ever have done with the mootools forum, so sign up there and use it instead of the mailing list if you wish.
To the developers and moderators at mooforum.net, if you ever need anything, or think there is an important post any of the MooTools developers should check out, please let me know via email, and i will get right back to you. Thanks for all your hard work over there, we all appreciate it.
Valerio and I have spent this entire week since Fronteers 2008 (more on that in a minute) working on the new MooTools blog. Mephisto has given us tons of problems, and cannot be styled properly like the rest of the site so we had to ditch it. This was no easy task, but as soon as it is done, (by the end of this week) I myself and the other developers will be posting to it regularly with more updates / useful information. We are actually ditching all the subdomains for simpler alternatives, and a faster, less problematic site. Check for updates at mootools.net later this week.
Last week I spoke at a conference in Amsterdam called Fronteers about Object Oriented Design in JavaScript, and how we use some principles in MooTools. Valerio attended the conference with me, and while we were there, we talked about MooTools... a lot.
As the other speakers / developers at Fronteers and i chatted about, we are all on the same team! We love the other frameworks, and the contributions they make to the JavaScript community, and we want all of you to also. We are not competing with any of them. If you think jQuery is better suited for your current project, by all means, use it! It is a well tested, well rounded framework. I also want the framework wars to stop. If the developers are all cool with each other, then so should the users be. No more bashing other frameworks, okay everyone?
We are working to release 1.2.1 very very soon. The biggest issues that need to be addressed lie in Class.js, but for anyone who has looked at and understood the code, it's not exactly trivial stuff. I have been working on rewriting Class.js to work again in Safari2, and work in Opera without an ugly hack. I'll let you know when we are finished and everything is tested. 1.2.1 will also contain many other bug fixes, and at this point, will be a drop in replacement for 1.2. There is one Reqeust issue which im looking into that might require us to make a minor change to the API. If this does happen, I will let you know how to address the minor change when we release.
After 1.2.1, we will be developing MooTools 1.3. If there are any other changes we decide must be released, we may release one or two more minor releases, but we will decide if they are necessary as we develop. 1.3 will include a few new features, though we havent decided on them definitely yet. I will make some blog posts about new stuff as it's finished, and when you can expect to start using it.
On Sep 17, 2008, at 2:16 AM, Tom Occhino wrote:
> a ton of crap...
links to:
Attention: The forum is now read-only. Please see the MooTools
Development Wiki for current support options.
http://github.com/mootools/mootools-core/wikis/support
> What about Forums?
> There are no official MooTools forums.
>
> There are a number of unofficial places where you can discuss
> MooTools and ask for support.
>
> Unofficial MooForum
> Why no official forum?
>
"Unofficial MooForum" links to "mooforum.net"
All support options are listed on that page. All links to support
options to link to this wiki page.
—Thomas Aylott / subtleGradient
We'd been having some server issues which is what prompted the need to
move off our box for the most part.
—Thomas Aylott / subtleGradient
Will this ever stop? :-P
guys, remember, this list is not the right place for this, redirect
all your complaints to mootools...@googlegroups.com
Again... for our own personal use
> 2. Why are few people using it?
Because it doesn't fit their needs.
We develop MooTools for ourselves... if others find it useful,
awesome, we encourage them to use it as well. Why is it so hard for
you to understand this.
MX3Design, I hate to have to say this, but please, refrain from
posting to the mailing list anymore. Stop calling our users arrogant
and unfriendly, and stop picking fights for no reason. If you are not
happy here, no one is forcing you to stay. Your comments have been
neither constructive, nor helpful. We all have full time jobs, and a
ton of other things going on, and don't have time to cater to your
every whim.
That being said, to the MooTools users out there who do find the
framework useful... I promise I'll always work my hardest to
incorporate the best code and all of my knowledge into the framework
as I possibly can. Even though I'm not getting paid to put 30+ hours
a week into this, I do it because I love it, and I am committed to
providing the best possible toolkit for myself, and those who find it
useful.
Seriously... we are not at war with each other, or with any other
framework. How come all the framework authors understand this, but
seemingly, none of the users get it?
Reinhard, Im no mootools developer, im just a regular mooUser....
arrogant??/ Why? Because Im not whining like you guys do??? stop it...
ask smth, you will get a response... hey.. I have found ALL MY ANSWERS
here.... Ive never cared if there is or isnt an "official forum" or
the like... just ask, you will get a response...
I Love mootools, im right now comparing it to other frameworks as
well... I guess I will stick to mootools mainly, and will
bring/transcode everything I find (and can) in other frameworks to
make it useful in mootools as well... I give a d... if theres a forum
or not.. this is as good as anything else to share ideas/questions or
anyting
STOP THE WHINING ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!
Just wanted to throw in the link for backwards compatibility layer that has been floating around since 1.2:
http://digitarald.de/journal/38150523/mootools-1-1-to-1-2-compatibility-layer/
Aaron
"If you can't say something nice, go help someone else."
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For me.. I dont give a heck if the people around here are snob (not
that I have found anyone but the whiners themself)...
Mootools Its a great framework, better, worse, whatever... I just
happen to like it... a lot...
Would I care if most posts here are about *oh, I miss the forums*,
*oh, I NEED the forums* , '*Oh, you mootoolers are snobs*"..
etc......???????
Answer: NO, I dont give a damn, this is a pretty good framework aside
from all its users comments...
So, if you ever decide to stop using a framework.. JUST because its
community is (add whatever despective adjective here), man...... you
are just as lost as you could ever be....
About this post of mine:
On Oct 3, 10:09 am, "Iván N Paz" <ivann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> great!!! byeee!!!!!! ;-)
I just regret it, and would love to take it back... I just cant... I
was brought into it :-(
ps. Actually I would love to take back all of my posts regarding this
issue altogether... this is nonsense, and should be happening....
ps2. Most of the whiners... what is their claim???? Have they asked
for smth and havent gotten their answer or what????