My Oldhammer army of the Dark Elves for Warhammer 3rd Edition is completed. I think I managed to include a good cross section of troop types in the 1,500 points that will make the army interesting to field while looking good doing so.
The core regiments consist of a large block of armoured warriors with swords and shields, two sections of crossbowmen and some Witch Elves and Doomdrakes for hard hitting but fragile close combat power.
Following the Forces of Undeath from 2015, at this rate I might still make it through all of the content in Warhammer Armies, assuming I can achieve a timely demise. The most likely candidates for next finished force are the Orcs & Goblins, so expect to see some updates on them in due course.
Go on, dig out those old orcs! When I got back into 3rd Edition I put some fresh washes and highlights on my first ever greenskins and rebased them, it was a fun and relatively quick project, starting here: -makeover/
Thank you! I think there were only ever a handful of pygmy sculpts, and those that remain will sell for very high prices now. They were either mercenaries or allies in WH Armies I believe. If I was to do a human tribal contingent for Slann or Lizardmen I would probably use the Wargames Foundry Congo range.
Nice looking army, I also plan to use some of my 3rd edition dark elves for SAGA AoM. It seems to be very difficult to put together a regiment of 15 swordsmen if you only use the Bob Naismith sculpts from 3rd edition as there are just not enough poses, plus the figures are hard to find. The alternatives seem to be to use the Mengil Manhides from 2nd edition WFB as regular warriors as you did or use the later Marauder figures. Seems strange that they did not include the Mengil Manhide troops in 3rd edition, I guess they came back around 6th edition.
Thanks. When you do field them please post a battle report. My motivation to first start collecting Dark Elves back in the early 1990s was to add an allied contingent to my Undead forces that seemed to need some better quality troops in 3rd edition WFB. I am not sure when my Dark Elf contingent will get its next outing or with which rules system: iSAGA AoM game, WFB, KoW or some other rule system. I did use some of my more recent (4th and 6th Ed.) Dark Elf figures about 4 years ago in a KoW game.
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something that confuses me because I'm not well educated on the AoS lore really: why are dark elves allied with the forces of order? why would Sigmar even accept them and why would the DE even want to join? didn't they secretly worship slaanesh?
I don't think that they fit with order particularly well, but got a fair bit of abuse for having that opinion haha! I think that an argument can be made for them being part of any of the grand alliances personally, however I am sure that the discussion will continue here and someone will express how I am wrong
As what I understand (maybe I'm wrong), they are in Order because they did not seek the destruction of the old world. Order for me is just an alliance, not of "good guys", but of people who seek to survive the Chaos threat.
Well the messed up part is that you could place them in three of the four alliances fluff wise very easily. Order: they build civilisations, Chaos: they worshipped Slaanesh and Khaine, Destruction: they are raiders that hate the world and destroy and enslave for fun.
Back in the Old World, you are right that some Dark Elves did worship Slaanesh. It's important to note however that this wasn't the norm, and in fact these cults were hunted down and destroyed by the Dark Elf authorities.
Malekith is definitely not a "good guy", but he's definitely an anti-Chaos guy. He's also an overly patriotic Elf, and fiercely xenophobic. He would never permanently align with Chaos (though he would use them to his advantage). He would also never permanently align with anyone, only temporarily to serve his interests.
Dark Elves are currently banded under Order, not because they are "good guys", but because they needed to do defeat Chaos. With Chaos still existing, we won't see any future Dark Elf releases leaving Order. Sure, we will probably see numerous back-stabbing and betrayals; but at the end of the day they'd rather stand beside a Man or an Elf, than a Demon; a skeleton or an Orc
His guy is ***** awesome, he abandoned his mother, who helped him arround a millenium, because she is evil and he dont need his help more. He just used his mother for his own desires. And this desire is take what is of him.
This guy is a badass, maybie you dont like his methods, but what you do if you are the Prince and the nobles burn you alive and exile you a millenium of year's? Probably yoi betray you own races and try to kill all of him. Bue malekith only killed the nobles who betrayed him. And he want be a good king, he exile his mother for evil acts, because is bad for his reign.... I think he need to be in order. He win it.
Despite dark elves' noble and good origins, they degenerated over milennia into a race described as pure hatred for everything. Hence the rules for hatred that applied to the entire army for a long time. They worshipped the god of murder, and tortured endlessly for fun, even their own kind.
I think the real reason they are under Order is most likely because at some point GW wants to make just "aelves" and be done with further divisions. Possible sub faction for the shadow realm for those who dwell there but I don't think those beings will be "aelves" any more.
You are most likely right on the reasons but I don't feel destruction is a good fit. I feel order is right, mostly. The scourge privateers are the raiders and slavers of the DE. Delighting in slaughter and cruelty. So you good argue that they should be in Destruction. The Daughters of Khaine worship a chaos god. (I long had the suspicion that it wasn't Khorne but Slaanesh in a sub form, but in more recent years they just came out and said it was Khorne)
But in general the DE are concerned with building a grand empire because they are convinced that's their rightful place. They hate everybody because they manage to resist them and their fate of being outcast of their once great empire. Also they are very much oppose Chaos and used to function as a wall against the invading chaos barbarians and daemons. I like them in Order because they add that grittyness to a alliance that would otherwise be so squaky clean.
Chaos= Wants to turn the realms into chaos realms
Death= Wants the world to be static and well... dead.
Destruction= Live for the joy of battle and are not interested in ruling just destroying
Order= Resists the above factions and tries to re-create a world with grand cities and progress. And I think the Dark Elves are a very good (and cruel) part of this.
The reason they are in order is because there are no longer separate factions. After the end times they became 1. Also even though they do not necessarily do good, they do favor non anarchy. And order was the closest fit.
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I think we will see an Aelf army with multiple sub-factions. Much like the Sylvaneth are very similar to wood elf tree spirts, I imagine there very likely will be some unsavory shadow folk who harken back to the dark elves but are themselves a distinct faction. The FyreSlayers are a great example of this as they are Duardin but they are also their own faction.
I am super excited to see what they do with Malekith/Malerion in this universe, after seeing what they did with Allarielle I can only imagine they have a super cool, maginificent, shadowy, bad ass sculpt in the pipe line.
I do believe that the Dark Elf faction did belong in the Order faction after End Times, it actually turned out that Malekith fit there better than some of the goody, goody High Elf charecters in the end. Yeah some of the Dark Elf sub factions could belong in other places, but aren't there always some sketchy charecters even on the 'good' side of every story. Sudo-pirates and blood loving lunatics have there place in Order just as much as some of the High Elf crazies that were summoning Skeletons in the End Times!
Neither are inherently evil however from our point of view. Structure, Law, and generally obeying the laws of physics is seen to us as a good thing therefore order is naturally the preferable option for the "good guys". However not all the races of order in the 40k universe are all that good as many of their acts would appear evil.
A good example would be some of the worlds most "Evil" dictators (Wont go into specifics as i dont want to get told off for politics). These dictators arent what we would call "Good" to say the least. But the simple fact is that (For one reason or another) they were trying to impose Order they were not causing wars for the sake of it.
Chaos on the other hand does what it does because it does. Going from real life to fiction. Heath ledgers Joker quote from dark knight about being an "Agent of Chaos" where he talked about that fact that "hes a dog chasing cars" and that he "Just does".
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