The Pig Business

[John Russell]

More 4 tonight at 10pm: 'The Pig Business'. An exposé of the industrialised pig farming business in North America and Europe.  I hasten to add that to produce meat in this way would be illegal in the UK. But unfortunately it's not illegal to buy and eat meat produced in this way. A 'must watch' -- if you can stomach it.

More info and comment at http://biggreenfactory.blogspot.com/2009/06/pig-business-more-4.html

Best wishes,

John

John Russell
Lower Winsford Farm
Devon, UK

[PAdam...@aol.com]

In a message dated 30/06/2009 10:31:31 GMT Standard Time, j...@johnrussell.tv writes:

More 4 tonight at 10pm: 'The Pig Business'. An exposé of the industrialised pig farming business in North America and Europe.  I hasten to add that to produce meat in this way would be illegal in the UK. But unfortunately it's not illegal to buy and eat meat produced in this way. A 'must watch' -- if you can stomach it.

Cheap imports of mass produced pigmeat are still flooding into the UK. I recently tried to sell some traditional bacon to a B and B. They adored the free sample, but replied that they could get bacon at a quarter of the price, which must be less than £2.50 a kg! and all rindless and very lean. If its packed in the UK, it counts as "produce of the UK".

 

Patrick

[John Russell]

So I should have said "...unfortunately it's not illegal to pack, sell, buy and eat meat produced in this way".

Best wishes,

JR

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[Victor Wood]

People are finally beginning to wake up to the Obama illusion.  Rightly or wrongly, the hopes of so many were riding on this man.  Both he and the rest of the congressional whores have changed nothing - only enhanced the wars, continued the erosion of personal rights, refused to investigate and prosecute war criminals, gave more money to the bankers, denied homeowners mortgage relief, sold out to the health industry, is giving more power to those who brought the world to this point in the economic scheme of things (the banks, the Fed), continues to shroud the US government in secrecy and covert operations both domestically and internationally, and on and on. The true rulers of America haven't changed - they just added more whores to their harem.  Only in this case, the whores aren't the ones getting screwed.

Best
Victor

 

I Want My Money Back! (Pres. Obama!) By Marie Marchand June 29, 2009 "CommonDreams" -- I want my money back. I gave $20 a week for seven months, plus $60 every once in a while for a t-shirt and sticker. I gave of my modest purse joyfully. Once I add that all up, it makes a grand total of... $106 billion?! Wait a minute, I thought I was supporting change I could believe in, not more of the same bloodshed and war! Betrayal is a part of life. After awhile, you just come to expect it. Yet, the initial shock always hits you as a surprise. Alas, the nature of betrayal. Humans are vulnerable to being betrayed because underneath our husky shells, our pain and hardened hearts, we are soft and trustful creatures. We want to believe in people. I'm not that young, so I possess some cynicism. But I'm not that old either, so I manage some idealism. Sure, I am used to being betrayed by my government. But I thought my days of calling the White House in tears were over. To think that Barack Obama preyed on this naive hope in me and millions like me is unforgivable. I expect the Republicans to throw money at the Military Industrial Complex. Yet, from the Democrats, I was promised a different direction (like OUT of the Middle East). Regrettably, there has been miniscule change. There is still nothing to believe in. It is against my religion to say the Pledge of Allegiance. (I am a Christian so I pledge allegiance only to God.) I did, however, pledge my time and treasure to Barack Obama. On November 4, 2008, I danced in the streets waving the American Flag, feeling proud to be an American. I was pathetically close to bustin' out some Toby Keith ditties. It's not just the $106 billion that makes me feel betrayed. It's not just the fact that Gitmo probably won't be shut down after all. It is not even the president's assurance to Republicans that he will not release the photos of detainee abuse. It is the rumors of intimidation and strong-arming that are, to me, the greatest betrayal. That President Barack Obama sent Rahm Emanuel and Nancy Pelosi to bully anti-war Democrats into voting for the supplemental (and threatening to withdraw the leadership's support for their re-elections if they didn't) is a shameful misuse of power. Where's the humanity I once saw in Barack? It's just more of the same and I can't stomach it.I knew I was naïve; yet like millions of Americans, I had no choice but to believe. Our hearts were desperate for hope. We saw Barack Obama as an oasis in the desert. To think that he may be just a mirage is heartbreaking. When you have a minute, give Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold a call at (202) 224-5323. He was the only Democrat in the Senate to vote against the war funding (along with three Republicans and an Independent). Oh, and please consider supporting my grassroots campaign to get my $680 back so I can donate it to the Whatcom Peace & Justice Center. Thanks. Marie Marchand is executive director of the Whatcom Peace & Justice Center in Bellingham, WA.

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In a message dated 30/06/2009 10:40:24 GMT Daylight Time, PAdam...@aol.com writes:

Cheap imports of mass produced pigmeat are still flooding into the UK

Hi Patrick,

we were part of the demise of the UK pig industry, scuppered by high welfare standards and costs, i still root round for UK pork in Tesco and moan about it all being foreign.

 

Virtually all the fresh pork i now buy is from my local organic producer, fantastic quality and not too expensive.

 

Sorry i missed the programme, mist reduced my signal strength to zero. Any reviews welcome.

 

Hat weather today!

 

Cheers

Tim

[Tony T-S]

Victor – a great response: you really should post it on CommonDreams, too.

Tony

 

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From: monbiot...@googlegroups.com [mailto:monbiot...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Wood
Sent: 30 June 2009 11:54
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Subject: [Monbiot] Disappointment Begins to Sink In

 

People are finally beginning to wake up to the Obama illusion.  Rightly or wrongly, the hopes of so many were riding on this man.  Both he and the rest of the congressional whores have changed nothing - only enhanced the wars, continued the erosion of personal rights, refused to investigate and prosecute war criminals, gave more money to the bankers, denied homeowners mortgage relief, sold out to the health industry, is giving more power to those who brought the world to this point in the economic scheme of things (the banks, the Fed), continues to shroud the US government in secrecy and covert operations both domestically and internationally, and on and on. The true rulers of America haven't changed - they just added more whores to their harem.  Only in this case, the whores aren't the ones getting screwed.

Best
Victor

 

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[Karen Jemmett]

Victor,

 

I fail to see what point your reference to 'whores' is making here - apart from making a rather unsavoury genderised insult in respect of those connected with the current US Administration.

 

Given the abuse women are having to contend with here in your own back yard amidst all this ludicrous political chaos, designed to bring down the monarchy, I just wonder about the appropriateness of your language, that's all.

 

Presumably, if all Obama's followers are 'whores', then this makes him a 'pimp'... is this what you're effectively saying about someone who has done more in his short term in office to heal deep-seated diplomatic wounds and avert a war than any modern statesman I can readily think of?

 

Perhaps you might have done well on this occasion to consult your lovely wife about the appropriateness of your rhetoric?  I'm sure that, like me, she will be offended and disappointed by the genderised tone of your latest presidential rebuke.

 

Remember, likening senators to whores is rather like calling them a bunch of girls.  So take that, you miserable old wanker!

Kind regards

 

Karen

2009/6/30 Victor Wood <victo...@hotmail.com>

[TM Printing Ltd]

Well said, the two of you.

David

[Victor Wood]

I guess you told me.

But Obama, a statesman?  Heal dip[lomatic wounds?  Like Pakistan?  Like Afghanistan?  Like Iraq?  Like Iran?  Like smoothly telling us he is Change Re-incarnate whilst doing all that he can to pursue the foreign policies of all those presidents before him?  Just because he speaks softly and intelligently, don't get the wrong idea here, Karen - the man is every bit as dangerous as all other past US presidents, including Bush. 

Best
V

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:31:11 +0100
Subject: [Monbiot] Re: Disappointment Begins to Sink In
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2009/6/30 Victor Wood <victo...@hotmail.com>

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[Dave Scott]

Karen,

I found these definitions below of 'whore' on the web. I think the third meaning to be bang on, so to speak. I notice the definition is not gender specific. 

 

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whore  (hôr, hr) n. 1. A prostitute. 2. A person considered sexually promiscuous. 3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

David Scott

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[Karen Jemmett]

Dangerous is an interesting adjective, V.  In Kenya, the word 'magaidi' was commonly used in the 1950s to describe 'dangerous men', apparently. 

 

Of course, there is very little trust in politicians anywhere right now, so I understand your anxiety to some extent.  However, as you yourself point out, there is at long last someone intelligent in the 'White House' who is relatively unencumbered by the legacy of so-called European civilisation and its colonial past.  And we should celebrate that, surely, rather than seek to undermine what is likely to be our last chance of a peaceful resolution?

 

Forgive me for going off at a tangent. I've just read the first half of Caroline Elkins' s compelling history of post-war Kenya.  What's notable about her painstaking research into the bureaucratic mayhem unleashed by the Colonial Office in the 50s is how a relatively unknown European member of the Legislative Council called NF Harris pressed for the re-evaluation of citizenship in the light of Emergency Laws against the Kikuyu people.  As he is recorded as saying during the 1953 Kenyan Legislative Council Debates: 

"Throughout the British Empire, the Empire which was created by those people who have brought humanity to a great many places in the world, it is in this Empire that a peculiar uprising of violence is apparent.  I wonder whether, in fact, we have not brought humanity to the people throughout the world, rather quicker than they and we ourselves have learnt the lessons of citizenship?"

For Harris and others, the Kikuyu were trapped in what was then called a "crisis of transition".  Neither primitive nor modern, they were caught in a kind of civilizing limbo.  In the language of the day, the Kikuyu were suffering from 'detribalization' and most Europeans in Kenya doubted whether rehabilitation was the solution to the problem" (indeed, most favoured rapid eliminization!)

 

When you look at British and American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan even today, the same conditions apply, surely?  When citizenship in the West remains as under-developed now as it did 50 years ago, it's perhaps unsurprising that state-endorsed civilian militias and unreconstructed policing always exacerbate tensions in occupied territories.  At least in 1953, there were statesmen who weren't afraid to think outside the box, or face the consequences of pointing the finger at the real cause of colonial failure - the chronic under-development of Western civilisation on home soil! 

 

Anyway, it's a cracking read.  I'm just surprised our library owns a copy.

 

Rgds

Karen 

 

 

2009/7/1 Victor Wood <victo...@hotmail.com>

[Karen Jemmett]

Perhaps so, Dave.  But I think if you go back to biblical times, the term whore has largely been understood to  imply female.  On those rare occasions when I've heard men referred to as a 'whore', it's usually in a camp sense that implies a feminine context.

 

Nevertheless, thank you for pointing this literal oversight out.

 

Regards

Karen

 

2009/7/1 Dave Scott <dave.s...@btinternet.com>

[Dave Scott]

Hi Karen 

Even I don't go back to Biblical times. I wasn't trying to point out an oversight, literal or not. Only the 3rd definition of the word.  

Anyway, two whores were talking one day:

1st whore: Been busy lately?

2nd whore: I should say so. If I've been up those stairs once today I've been up them 40 times.

1st whore: Oh, your poor feet!

Kindest regards,

David Scott

e:  dave.s...@btinternet.com

[Lila Smith]

The true rulers of America haven't changed - they just added more whores to their harem.  Only in this case, the whores aren't the ones getting screwed.

Hee hee Victor......hahahahah...what a dag....   you have obviously tickled Karen.

 

Anyway Victor I get your point........oh and karens.....and Daves

 

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[Victor Wood]

[Victor Wood]

Lila

You remind me of a character in the old movie  (actually a stage play), Fiddler on the Roof.  Levtavia (I believe that was his name) and a group of villagers were discussing an issue in the town square.  One villager stated his point.  Lev raised his finger in the air and proclaimed, "You're right!"

Another villager shouted out a response to the contrary.  Lev raised his finger in the air again and proclaimed, "You're right!"

A third villager then shouted at Lev, "Lev, they BOTH can't be right!"

Lev shrugged his shoulders and simply said, "You're right!"

Best
V

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Subject: [Monbiot] Re: Disappointment Begins to Sink In

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:45:47 +1200

[TM Printing Ltd]

On 1 Iúil 2009, at 21:36, Karen Jemmett wrote:

 On those rare occasions when I've heard men referred to as a 'whore', it's usually in a camp sense that implies a feminine context.

True.

The man who came to fix our water pump (the bladder was leaking, which is awkward) commented about it: "Feck it. She's a shagging hoor of a c**t".

David

[Karen Jemmett]

So, I take it they were women?

 

2009/7/2 Dave Scott <dave.s...@btinternet.com>

[Karen Jemmett]

Lovely - did you recommend him to friends?

2009/7/2 TM Printing Ltd <grap...@tmprinting.ie>

[Karen Jemmett]

Umm, we're not letting you off the hook that easily, V. 

 

This reminds me of the all too common get out clause when a woman calls a fellow comrade sexist....  it's generally "your'e so right" or "you must be a lesbian".

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Rgds

Karen

2009/7/2 Victor Wood <victo...@hotmail.com>