Symmetry specification for linear molecules

20 views
Skip to first unread message

Aqsa Zahid Shaikh

unread,
Sep 7, 2025, 2:23:34 PMSep 7
to molpro-user
Hi all,
I am trying to run a linear molecule eg, OH with d2h symmetry, by defining as follows:

SYMMETRY,X,Y,Z

angstrom

r = 0.97

geometry={

2

OH

O  0.0 0.0 0.0

H  0.0 0.0 r

}


{rhf

wf,7,5,1

occ,2,1,1,0,1,0,0

closed,2,1,1,0,0,0

print,orbital=3

orbital,4202.2

}

I get the following error:

 Because of noorient option, program will not align to your requested symmetry elements

 Try again with different symmetry request

 This error can also happen in geometry optimizations that specify symmetry-breaking internal coordinates in terms of active variables

 User-specified symmetry elements: X,Y,Z

 Symmetry elements: X,Y

 ? Error

 ? Symmetry error

 ? The problem occurs in zmatrix.f:zmat_evaluate

When I run the same molecule with c2v symmetry. It does the calculation as intended.
According to molpro manual, a linear molecule can be defined either by d2h or c2v geometry. So I am a little puzzled as to why does molpro enforce X,Y symmetry on the molecule.

Any suggestion on how to implement d2h symmetry for OH will be very useful.

Thank you.



peterso...@gmail.com

unread,
Sep 7, 2025, 3:54:22 PMSep 7
to Aqsa Zahid Shaikh, molpro-user

A linear  molecule with D2h symmetry requires a center of inversion, which OH does not have.

 

Regards,  -Kirk

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "molpro-user" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to molpro-user...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/molpro-user/f17a498a-24b8-4206-912e-22b92d4224b5n%40googlegroups.com.

Aqsa Zahid Shaikh

unread,
Sep 7, 2025, 3:54:33 PMSep 7
to peterso...@gmail.com, molpro-user
Thank you for the clarification. I was wondering on similar lines. So in this context can only homonuclear molecules be defined by d2h? And all hetero nuclear linear molecules use c2v?

peterso...@gmail.com

unread,
Sep 7, 2025, 3:54:43 PMSep 7
to Aqsa Zahid Shaikh, molpro-user

A little review of group theory would be of interest to you I think.  A linear molecule such as acetylene (HCCH) has D2h symmetry.

 

Regards,  -Kirk

Aqsa Zahid Shaikh

unread,
Sep 7, 2025, 3:54:49 PMSep 7
to peterso...@gmail.com, molpro-user
Thank you for the information. It makes sense now. Thank you.

Martina Kaledin

unread,
Sep 7, 2025, 5:47:31 PMSep 7
to Aqsa Zahid Shaikh, peterso...@gmail.com, molpro-user
OH linear molecule and is  of C_infinity_v point group symmetry and C2v is used in Molpro. Homonuclear diatomics would be of D_ infinity_h and D2h is used. For reviewing molecular symmetry, I use 
https://symotter.org/ website. This is a fantastic resource for students and whoever needs to refresh molecular symmetry. 

Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages