Moira Family

[Richard de Souza]

Greetings from England. It has taken me a while to contribute to the
group because of problems that we all face in life: work/studies,
family, friends and getting the computer to work!!

I would like to say that this group has been very interesting and I
have enjoyed reading some of the discussions on here. Although, I do
feel a bit left out as everyone seems to be quite close and know each
other, but hopefully I can add some input from a young Moidekar
separated from his roots and his homeland.

It is wondeful to know that the internet can bring Moidekars together
from around the world. Anyway, let me get straight to the point and
introduce myself. My name is Richard de Souza and I am the grandson
of Elesbao de Souza and great grandson of Abdon & Visitacao de Souza.
I won't repeat my list of ancestors as it will take a while but I am
researching my Goan roots which connect me to Atafondem, Bambordem and
Novo-Portugal in Moira.

Please keep in touch, I would like to know if anyone has any stories,
details or knows of any relations. I notice a lot of mention to
family homes in this group; can anyone explain to me the importance of
this and briefly summarise what life is like in Moira now and in the
past?

I hope I can find out about my family too and would like to represent
my family on Moira-Net. One thing I've learnt whilst completing my
genealogy is that you cannot fault the present generation or judge
them based on the actions of their forefathers.

Richard

[Tony de Sa]

Hi Richard,

This is Tony de Sa from Attafondem. Glad to meet a descendant of Elesbao through Moira Net. Many was the time that Elesbao & I raised a glass or two or several at oel'sin Mapusa.

I remember a Roy from that family who was a student of mine in Monte de Guirim in 1969-70.

Of course, I also Know Yvonne,Nelia and their elder sister.

Nice to have you with us

 

Tony de Sa
Ph: 2470148
E: tony...@gmail.com
M: 9975162897
If you see some one without a :-) give him one of your own

[augusto pinto]

Hello Richard

The person to contact on family trees etc. is Leroy Veloso who's made it a sort of hobby. I've been trying to persuade him to make it at least a part - time profession as it takes a lot of time and effort...

 

His email is leroy...@yahoo.com

Cheers

 

pint...@gmail.com or ypin...@yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350

[Teotonio R. de Souza - टियोटोनियो रो. डिसुजा]

Richard

At last, it was good to hear from you. I remember the correspondence you had with me. That is why I thought of sending you the invitation to join the Moirá-net.

Why don't you tell us what you know of Moirá, about your visits to the village, to relatives, impressions that you retain, etc. That is the only way you may be able to engage others to respond more actively to you. Who are the people in Moirá at present known to you? How long have you / your parents been away from Moirá? I remember your efforts at building a web page with your family tree. How far have you reached? Perhaps some on this net could help you to add to it.

Personally I feel very disappointed with netters who are there only to "watch" (and hopefully to learn as well) without contributing anything to the interest of the other netters who participate more or less actively. 

Teotonio R. de Souza

[Richard de Souza]

I do like Moira as the village and views are awe-inspiring and takes
me back in time. I love the fact I can see through my eyes what my
ancestors saw going back centuries. Of course things change and as for
all Goans around the world (young and old) it saddens us to see the
beauty being destroyed and lost.

I know little about the village and its people but have visited at
least half a dozen times in my lifetime. I know how important the
village is to my family and my father is very passionate about being a
Moidekar. I am therefore proud to say that my brothers and I are the
last male Goan descendants of our generation carrying the surname for
Abdon de Souza from Attafondem.

Finally Teotonio, I wish to conclude with how my family tree effort
has been going. I have done quite a lot of work and am surprised to
have over 300 individuals after only a year or so of work. I still
have many branches to complete and link fully. Therefore I hope some
people on this net may be able to help...

1/ Is anyone else connected by my paternal great-great-great-
grandparents Antonio Caetano de Rosario e Sousa and Rosa Maria da
Cunha or great-great-grandparents Diogo Francisco Xavier de Souza and
Angelica Ana Tomasia de Nazare?

2/ My great-granny Rubertina Correa (born in Novo Portugal) had a
brother Victorino Mendes who married Anna J. Abreu. I still wish to
complete a list of their descendants?!

3/ My great-grandfather Joseph Felix Caetano Correa (born in
Bambordem) had brothers etc.. but I know nothing about his family?
Are there any Correa family out there?

That is all for now. Richard de Souza

On Sep 18, 6:19 pm, "Teotonio R. de Souza - टियोटोनियो रो. डिसुजा"

[Teotonio R. de Souza - टियोटोनियो रो. डिसुजा]

Richard
Could you make your family tree accessible to Moirá-netters? They
could benefit as well and be motivated to help completing your
efforts.
Teotonio

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[Jaime DeMelo]

Richard,
Actually it would be nice to know how one can go about researching one's family tree. Is is a lot of effort? Does it take a few hours or weeks and months? I guess it depends on how far down the tree you want to go. Does it involve digging up old records in the Archives in Panaji.
 
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Sorry if someone has already posed this question, in which case you can simply point me to it. 

> From: teode...@gmail.com
> To: moir...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [moira-net:502] Re: Moira Family
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:05:46 +0000
>
>
> Richard
> Could you make your family tree accessible to Moirá-netters? They
> could benefit as well and be motivated to help completing your
> efforts.
> Teotonio
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[Edgar D' Souza]

On 9/27/07, Jaime DeMelo <jxde...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Edgar, notice. No tail. I am teacheable.]

LOL :-) Thanks for your patience, Jaime.

Regards,
Ed.

[Richard de Souza]

Hi Jaime. Sorry I have to keep this brief as I am very busy. But to
start, the best way is talking to family... you can discover so much
so talk to them often and always ask lots of questions. You can
discover so much trust me and even months later I've returned to them
and found out much more!! Then I would try and find documentation.
Go to the Moira church or whichever village church you know your
ancestor comes from and try to search for their baptism record (or
even death & burial record). From my grandfather's baptism record I
discovered the names of not only his parents, but all four
grandparents and his godparents too!!

One final comment - going to the Panjim archives is a hassle but you
can find valuable information if you try your hardest and are
patient. I spent a whole day there and as a young British boy who
knows little Konkani and how to communicate with the people there I
struggled a lot! However, my endeavours paid off and I found my great-
great-grandfather's baptism record taking me back many generations!!
But I would probably say if you want to find out about your ancestors
do it quick because pages from this mid-19th century record book were
almost crumbling in my fingers and I was surprised I was allowed to
touch them... whole pages at the back of this particular book were
illegible as the ink had smudge. Very sad. So hurry before your
ancestors records vanish!! (if anyone has comments on the state of the
archives and finding records etc. please do say as I am very
interested!!)

That's all for now, will try and say more soon! I'm sure I'll reply
sooner if you ask lots of questions / give me lots more to think
about. Back to my studies now!
Richard

On Sep 27, 12:58 pm, Jaime DeMelo <jxdem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Richard,
> Actually it would be nice to know how one can go about researching one's family tree. Is is a lot of effort? Does it take a few hours or weeks and months? I guess it depends on how far down the tree you want to go. Does it involve digging up old records in the Archives in Panaji.
>
> [Edgar, notice. No tail. I am teacheable.]
>

> Sorry if someone has already posed this question, in which case you can simply point me to it. > From: teodeso...@gmail.com> To: moir...@googlegroups.com> Subject: [moira-net:502] Re: Moira Family> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:05:46 +0000> > > Richard> Could you make your family tree accessible to Moirá-netters? They> could benefit as well and be motivated to help completing your> efforts.> Teotonio>
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[Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami]

Hi Richard,

I am also from Attafondem but we sold our place in 1994. I remember
meeting Elesbao de Souza from Attafondem. You have to pass his house
to come to ours. remember meeting some da Cunhas living there. Also
this da Cunha lady told me long long time ago when I returned from
Brazil that we were related. I know Yvonne and Nellie from that
house. My parents former domestic maid who worked with them for
about 20 years were mundkars of that house. Also heard that one
member of that house was knighted by the Belgian government. My
former neigbhour in Betim Angela da Cunha Kazi was from that house.

Sorry Richard this is a very sketchy information I have of your ancestral place.

Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami

[Jaime DeMelo]

Richard,
Thanks for those tips. I never thought about the Church Baptismal records. I shall attempt to do that when I'm down next. I don't think I have the patience for the Goa Archives. I thought there were plans to put the archives on microfiche or have them scanned. Maybe I'm just imagining this.
 
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[Richard de Sousa]

Hi Jaime
It is okay. One is able to find out so much about one's family in Goa
and very easily too. Meanwhile, in Britain if one has English roots it
is long, complicated, difficult and expensive task to figure out who
your ancestors were. In only two years I've taken my Moidekar
ancestry back seven generations and only three to four days I have
spent in churches/archives in Goa!!
I am not sure about whether they will put the records on microfiche.
I know some baptismal / marriage / death&burial records etc from the
Moira church are on microfilm/microfiche and can be accessed at Family
History Centres around the world but I have not yet had the chance to
do this and don't really need to as only a few records have been done.
I once had a link but it no longer works - sorry

Hope that helps Jaime (and anyone else)
Richard

On Oct 1, 5:39 am, Jaime DeMelo <jxdem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Richard,
> Thanks for those tips. I never thought about the Church Baptismal records. I shall attempt to do that when I'm down next. I don't think I have the patience for the Goa Archives. I thought there were plans to put the archives on microfiche or have them scanned. Maybe I'm just imagining this.
>
> Jaime.

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[Richard de Sousa]

Thank you Augusto for giving me Leroy's email address. It so turns out
that Leroy and I are related somehow but haven't yet figured out the
precise connection.

This Moira-net is great.. I've learnt so much and really am proud to
be from Moira !!

On Sep 18, 4:33 pm, "augusto pinto" <pinto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Richard
> The person to contact on family trees etc. is Leroy Veloso who's made it a
> sort of hobby. I've been trying to persuade him to make it at least a part -
> time profession as it takes a lot of time and effort...
>

> His email is leroymar...@yahoo.com
> Cheers

> --
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> 40, Novo Portugal,
> Moira, Bardez,
> Goa, India
> E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in
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[augusto pinto]

Be my guest Richard. You know when V M went photographing Moira some time ago, we went to the old house of Jose de Gama Pais, and they have a picture which delineates their family tree. I think he photographed it and it'll be there in that collection.

 

Is it just curiosity or are you aiming to do  biography or something?

 

cheers

E pint...@gmail.com or ypin...@yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350

[Richard de Sousa]

Excuse my general ignorance but who is V M?
I saw the Moira photographs from the link and they were really
interesting. I think I saw a family tree and tried to see the names
but they were too unclear.
I also spotted one of our family gravestones in the Moira graveyard.
Was nice to see someone had snapped that.

I am just researching my roots out of curiousity. When you live in a
multicultural society like Britain, identity becomes important to
making you a stronger person and you need to know your background and
family history to be proud of who you are. I must say I am proud to be
Goan and from Moira and enjoy telling my English, Irish, French,
German, Hungarian, Ukrainian, Indian, Greek, etc.. friends about Goa
and my roots.

On Oct 9, 4:24 pm, "augusto pinto" <pinto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Be my guest Richard. You know when V M went photographing Moira some time
> ago, we went to the old house of Jose de Gama Pais, and they have a picture
> which delineates their family tree. I think he photographed it and it'll be
> there in that collection.
>
> Is it just curiosity or are you aiming to do biography or something?
>
> cheers
>

[bernard thamm]

Hello Richard,

I see your name for the first time here.

It is nice to hear you speak to your friends of different languages.
That's really mulicultural and keep it up. You have to come
to Europe or live here. I find we here are really mulicultural.

The Europeans - this side of the English Channel - believe
that England or the UK is not in Europe. I was wondering
whether they mean it geographically or culturally or what-ally.

After being nine years around the world and living two-thirds
of my life in Europe (this side of that Channel), I always have the
sense and feel, that the other side of the Channel is not Europe.
Everything is different. They will drive on the left, still have their
inches or their queen, and don't want the EUR, eat pappy bread,
drink the worst tea in the world (I am a living proof of it), and
many other things - although the British Empire was rather big,
isn't it - with the question remaining: how much of a multiculture did
they come across.

What is worse, these folks from that side of the Channel don't pay
enough in the European pot, whereas their farmers get all the aid they
apply for from the EC, but not only that.

Someone said: "if you stay for three minutes in the same place, the
cops come and check you out, especially when a person is black,
coloured or not an Englander".

There were people called TARVOTI. You know what I mean!
When I was small, sitting next to them, I used to patiently hear their
yarns, like ".....amchi bott Europak pauleli......" or ".....aum Europak
ghelolom".
Fine, fine! By that they meant "England", for never had their ships
touched Europe (this side of the Channel). Now, did you want to
respectlessly say "no, but that is not what the teacher said in .....".

Later on I found out, that these TARVOTI had not even set their foot
on land, anywhere. The officers (white) on board used to jabber the
word "Europe" so amché fellows had picked that word up. Another
reason why they had not set foot on shore was, they never had the
proper clothes to go ashore, being afraid of the cold. Of course, many
of them did touch the real Europe and they also went ashore, but this was
not a general rule. From the meager pay they had, some seamen never
touched land for almost two years, until the ships happened to be
back In India and it was time for them to sign off. There are/were
many living witnesses of that.

If someone tells you "English" is the most-spoken in the world, that
is not true.

I hope you are not cross with me, Richard. I just felt like saying
something.
I am the least of a racist, being born on Portuguese soil, of a Goan mother,
a German father, having spoken 4 languages from small and having Hindus,
Moslems, Africans from Mozambique; Parsees and others as our family
friends. Am I a Papagai - not only multi-coloured but multicultural to the
power of .....

Cheers (I don't know what to have now ....),
Bernhard Thamm
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[Richard de Sousa]

Hello Tony (my father and uncle's teacher!)

I replied to you in person however now thought it'd also be nice to
reply on Moira-net because then others can also join in a conversation
as they may like to comment and have something to say.

It was very nice to hear from you about my grandfather Elesbao as I
know only tales from the family about him. He died before my brother,
the first of his six grandchildren, was born. I am indeed Roy's
youngest son and also know my father's cousins: Marilia (who passed
away recently), Yvonne and Nelia. Does anyone else know the family?
Any friends of the family out there who knew them in Attafondem or
went to school with them?

I think Elesbao, the only grandparent I never got the chance to meet,
was the main reason I started researching my family tree. I do not
know much about him and also wonder if anyone has any more pictures of
him? It's nice to hear from you that you often raised a few glasses
with Elesbao at Amrut's bar. Moreover, equally humbling to hear that
you attended his funeral - could you tell me what his funeral was like
and anyone else who attended?

That's all for now!

Richard

On Sep 18, 8:57 am, "Tony de Sa" <tonyde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> This is Tony de Sa from Attafondem. Glad to meet a descendant of Elesbao
> through Moira Net. Many was the time that Elesbao & I raised a glass or two
> or several at oel'sin Mapusa.
> I remember a Roy from that family who was a student of mine in Monte de
> Guirim in 1969-70.
> Of course, I also Know Yvonne,Nelia and their elder sister.
> Nice to have you with us
>
> Tony de Sa
> Ph: 2470148

> E: tonyde...@gmail.com

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया]

If you google for something like the following, you might find them on
the electoral rolls:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=Yvonne+Pereira+Moira+constituency&btnG=Search

See this too:

[PDF]
ELECTORAL ROLL - 2007 State - GOA
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Parliamentary Constituency in which the Assembly Constituency is
located : 1-Panaji .... 1 Locality: Near Goa State Co-op Bank Area:
Moira Pin Code: 403507 ...
electionsgoa.nic.in/ceo-admin/reports/Tivim/AC4_21/part21.pdf

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[Richard de Sousa]

It is wonderful to hear from someone who knows the family so well and
yet I have not met or do not know at all! I had no idea there were
distant relatives out there and am really pleased Ana Maria that you
got in touch.

The da Cunha lady you mentioned who said that we were related is
likely to be my father's Aunt, Helen (Elesbao's sister) - although it
could have been Joaninha (Yvonne & Nelia's mother). Sadly Elesbao and
all his siblings (and siblings-in-law as a matter of fact) have passed
away so I have never had anyone of that generation to talk to about
the family. Only my Nana is alive. Where abouts are you situated Ana?
It would be nice to meet you perhaps in Goa sometime?!

Richard

On Sep 28, 3:50 am, "Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami"

<a.maria.deso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> I am also from Attafondem but we sold our place in 1994. I remember
> meeting Elesbao de Souza from Attafondem. You have to pass his house
> to come to ours. remember meeting some da Cunhas living there. Also
> this da Cunha lady told me long long time ago when I returned from
> Brazil that we were related. I know Yvonne and Nellie from that
> house. My parents former domestic maid who worked with them for
> about 20 years were mundkars of that house. Also heard that one
> member of that house was knighted by the Belgian government. My
> former neigbhour in Betim Angela da Cunha Kazi was from that house.
>
> Sorry Richard this is a very sketchy information I have of your ancestral place.
>
> Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami
>

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[Richard de Sousa]

Thanks Frederick

That is really useful. I found a few names on the electoral rolls
which match the names of distant cousins my grandmother and her sister
(my great Aunt) have mentioned to me. But it is difficult to know
whether these people are the ones I think they are. Furthermore, names
are quite frequent and common which complicates things!

It is shocking to see so few Goan Catholic names - have we all
disappeared.. when did all the Naiks and Thakurs come to Moira to
mention a few frequent surnames (hope I haven't offended anyone). I
wouldn't have thought the structure of Moira would have changed so
dramatically in the last 5 - 10 years but then again perhaps when I
was smaller I only met D'Souzas and Fernandes etc... and living in
Britain I'm not used to hearing surnames like the ones on the
electoral rolls.

Richard

On Oct 12, 7:34 pm, "Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया"

<fredericknoro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you google for something like the following, you might find them on
> the electoral rolls:
>

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%...

>
> See this too:
>
> [PDF]
> ELECTORAL ROLL - 2007 State - GOA
> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
> Parliamentary Constituency in which the Assembly Constituency is
> located : 1-Panaji .... 1 Locality: Near Goa State Co-op Bank Area:
> Moira Pin Code: 403507 ...
> electionsgoa.nic.in/ceo-admin/reports/Tivim/AC4_21/part21.pdf
>
> FN
>

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[Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami]

Hi Richard,

Angela da Cunha Kazi was adopted by Helen. She has no siblings. She
was Yvonne and Nelia's firs cousin . Lost touch with her.

Yes, I now live in Goa at Betim since my husband died when we were in
Ahmedabad. Please do get in touch with me as and when you come to
goa. Phone: lanline 2417847. Cell 9326126586.

Check with Tony de Sa. Near the Lourdes chapel there were some de
Souzas Felisberto and his doctor wife (both deceased), somehow related
to you and me. Their two sons live in England wouldbe around 55 years
or so.

Cheers
Ana Maria

[Tony de Sa]

Hello Richard,

Elesbao was one hell of a nice guy.  I liked him a lot.

The last thig I remember about him was that he was reading 'Ninety minutes at Entebbe.

Robert and Roy  were great students, but they were not very much in Moira. During school days, they were boarders at Monte de Guirim. During the holidas, they spent them out of Moira.You could try this link for Monte de Guiri School if interested mo...@sancharnet.in . TheVice Provicial seems to be very responsive as he called me up after I had left a msg on his answering machine.

All the best in your hunt for the family tree

Tony de Sa
Ph: 2470148

E: tony...@gmail.com
M: 9975162897
I'm so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I'm writing!  ;-P| )

[Bosco DeSa]

       Hi Richard,

                      My name is Bosco DeSa I'm Tony's brother from Attafondem. Regarding the church records

        they are there from 1884 as the records have been destroyed by white ants and any records before the

        said date are not avalable I happened to go to the church to find a particular name and ended finding my fathers

        birth certificate and went back and found my grand fathers wedding certificate, very difficult to read as the

        hand writing is  smugged.

            Bosco DeSa 

 

[Teotonio R. de Souza]

Dear Bosco

You may not know me. If you need help in reading any "smugged" documento in Portuguese, mail a photocopy / digitalized image and I may try to help with a transcript or even a translation in English. Nowadays the digital cameras permit photographing documents very well.

Teotonio

 

http://www.divshare.com/download/2053243-564

[bernard thamm]

Hello Richard, Hello Bosco,

 

I do not like to say much about me, being in my 8th profession at

present (certificates and all), but I have done some restorations of

old pictures and photos (not in/from Goa) but of friends and acquaintances

here, for different purposes. I do it just like that, using simple means.

The folks always came and gave me a kiss for that, sometimes they

brought along a bottle of Schnaps. I do it out of love and as a challenge

of what can be done. OK, enough of that!

 

Listen, if you have anything in that regard, you could mail it to me and

I'll do the needful (restore) making prints later and could send it to you.

Besides that I can translate and restore the certificates. Have done on

some Goan certificates. The ink used in Goa in those times was "china

ink" and does not smudge or self-erase in time. You would have to burn

the certificates to destroy the writing. It is the paper that gets spoiled

with time and just falls apart, or the bloody Vavoi eats it up. It is a pity that

the villagers don't go and reconstruct the records in honorary work.

We here are very active in that, be it the municipality, the social centre,

the parish, etc.

 

Anyway, restoration takes and eats away time, of which one doesn't

have much. I will not be able to do it for free, but I will not take a million

for that. As I said, it is my interest.

 

I am a sworn intreperter/translator for English, French, Portuguese,

Spanish, Konkani, Hindi, Urdu, Creole and Patois. I do not count

German. Besides the official ones I can some more in reading,

writing and by word. That, in case you want to send me some documents.

I am recognised world-wide.

 

Have a nice weekend!

Bernhard

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[Richard de Sousa]

Hello Tony. I think most people liked Elesbao and it's a shame I never
got to meet him.
Cyril Rapose, a relation and Elesbao's godchild said that I had his
features and reminded him of Elesbao.
Even though my father Roy didn't spend much time in Moira he is very
passionate about his home.

When we visited Goa recently we went to Monte de Guirim and met
Brother Polycarp I think.
Now having discovered my roots I would like to visit Moira again this
time meeting the people rather than seeing the place! Most likely we
all share pretty much the same close ancestors anyway!

Richard

On Oct 13, 7:56 am, "Tony de Sa" <tonyde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Richard,
> Elesbao was one hell of a nice guy. I liked him a lot.
> The last thig I remember about him was that he was reading 'Ninety minutes
> at Entebbe.
> Robert and Roy were great students, but they were not very much in Moira.
> During school days, they were boarders at Monte de Guirim. During the
> holidas, they spent them out of Moira.You could try this link for Monte de
> Guiri School if interested mo...@sancharnet.in . TheVice Provicial seems to
> be very responsive as he called me up after I had left a msg on his
> answering machine.
> All the best in your hunt for the family tree
> Tony de Sa
> Ph: 2470148

> E: tonyde...@gmail.com

[Richard de Sousa]

Hi Theo and Bernard

Nice to hear that you both have some expertise when it comes to
restoration. I very much believe that our history must be preserved
and when I am older perhaps I will be able to dedicate some time to
saving documents in Goa that are quickly disappearing!

I am glad my photograph and talk of records has encouraged people to
give their views and inputs. I have now found myself in a position
where it may be beneficial to make a photo album online saving all my
old Goan family photographs! I will keep everyone updated !!

Richard

P.S. I am also annoyed that Portuguese remains with my grandparents
and Konkani with my parents. Will I ever be able to learn?!

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[Richard de Sousa]

Hello Bosco,

On March 2nd, I visited the Moira church and found my father's baptism
certificate and death/burial certificate. We didn't have enough time
to explore further but I would have liked to have got his parents
marriage and baptism certificates too!

>From those records you can find out so much! For example, a birth
certificate in the UK only gives you parents' names whereas in Goa you
get all four grandparents as well!

Fortunately I got many family names and dates from the Moira
graveyard!!

The next day I went to the Archives in Panjim, and managed very
luckily to stumble across the baptism record (1844) of my
grandfather's paternal grandfather!! In these records I agree pages of
ink had smudged and some had totally disintegrated! I am shocked
therefore to hear that records from 1884 in the church have been
destroyed by white ants. I hope my great-grandfather Abdon's birth
record is still there as he was born in 1880 and I was hoping to find
a copy when I go to Goa next!

Thanks for the information
Richard

On Oct 13, 8:57 am, "Bosco DeSa" <bosco.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> My name is Bosco DeSa I'm Tony's brother from
> Attafondem. Regarding the church records
> they are there from 1884 as the records have been destroyed by white
> ants and any records before the
> said date are not avalable I happened to go to the church to find a
> particular name and ended finding my fathers
> birth certificate and went back and found my grand fathers wedding
> certificate, very difficult to read as the
> hand writing is smugged.
> Bosco DeSa
>

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[Richard de Sousa]

Hi Theo and Bernard

Nice to hear that you both have some expertise when it comes to
restoration. I very much believe that our history must be preserved
and when I am older perhaps I will be able to dedicate some time to
saving documents in Goa that are quickly disappearing!

I am glad my photograph and talk of records has encouraged people to
give their views and inputs. I have now found myself in a position
where it may be beneficial to make a photo album online saving all my
old Goan family photographs! I will keep everyone updated !!

Richard

P.S. I am also annoyed that Portuguese remains with my grandparents
and Konkani with my parents. Will I ever be able to learn?!

On Oct 13, 1:23 pm, "bernard thamm" <bernard.th...@arcor.de> wrote:

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[Teotonio R. de Souza]

Dear Richard

Please check

http://www.genebase.com/in/familyTree.php?niId=3955288
I have applied for the Genographic DNA Ancestry tracing (paternal and maternal). I have decided to begin working more seriously on the family linkages. Let us keep exchanging notes. Let me have once again access to your family tree. You may keep checking at mine at the above link.

You will see that my wife's father was Correia. His father was married to Cristialina de Souza, my grandfather's sister.

Teotonio