Love-Hounds Digest (Issue L9)
Love-Hou...@mit-eddie.uucp
Topics:
* some comments to recent digests..
* 'eam I(ED)
* Adrian Belew. The Pink Holes.
* Sonic Youth Bootleg
* KB News
* Reply to IED
* capital radio
* HG 23
* Public Image Limited at the Warfield Theater in SF 6/2/86
* "Don't Give Up"
* IEDeosynchronicities
* Creation Records Compilation
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 86 16:14:29 EDT
From: JURGEN%UMass....@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: some comments to recent digests..
Andy - yes, Adrien Belew was in 'Home of the Brave'. It was also not
the first time that he has worked with Laurie... i understand that he
played on 'Mr. Heartbreak', and also, he and Laurie collaborated with
Jean Michel Jarre in 84 on the album 'Zoolook' (good stuff, check it
out). Adrien Belew must be the one person who has worked with more
great artists in the music/ performance genre than any other man
alive! (Zappa, Bowie, Fripp, Laurie, Talking Heads, to name a few...
if anyone could make a complete list, i'd love to see it) My oppinion
about the TD/HoL debat is simple: i agree with the majority that TD is
the better record. Or at least i like to listen to it more. But i do
believe that HoL is also a very nice work, and as to originality,
that's not something you can measure like temperature. The fact that
HoL has more 'commercial potential' does not make it unoriginal. I
suppose that every- one agrees that Kate ''s stuff is 'progressive
music', and that implies that it be progressive onto itself, as well
as with respect to the industry, and HoL is certainly a progression
(?)...
> [doug on Toyah..] Toyah sounds a lot like she wants to be Kate Bush...
I must protest! I like Toyah a lot, and i also think that she doesn't
measure up to Kate in talent, but she is certainly not trying to sound
like Kate. If i'm right, both Toyah and Kate started out around the same
time, Toyah a little earlier if anything, but Toyah was much more popular
in England early in their careers, so it is not very likely that there
was much copying of style there. Her (Toyah's) first couple of records
were really original and progressive, even though Doug is right about her
only being an average musician. I recommend 'The Changeling' and 'Anthem'
very strongly to anyone who would like to hear what she sounds like...
- Jurgen Botz
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 86 17:37 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS...@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: 'eam I(ED)
Just sent off a list of questions for Kate to answer in future issues
of the KBC Newsletter. With luck she may take pity on us and let us
know what those Latin and Czech (?) choruses are saying. Meanwhile,
EMI-America has finally released the 7" "Special Single Mix" of "The
Big Sky" -- two weeks AFTER MTV dropped the film from their rotation
lists. I swear those EMI people are the biggest nudniks on earth. What
do they eat for breakfast? Don't they KNOW that Robyn
Carstairs-Somerville will take this latest episode of EMI's
de-promotion of Kate as further proof of subversive corporate
conspiracy?
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 86 10:18:16 pdt
From: fri...@net1.UCSD.EDU.EDU (Friedrich Knauss) (tty0b)
Subject: Adrian Belew. The Pink Holes.
> Subject: Home of the Brave (new Laurie Anderson Movie)
> Yow! Pretty good stuff.
> Did anyone else notice that (shriek!) Adrian Belew was in it?
When adrian did his last tour here in town he played a guitar that had
been painted by miss anderson. cool stuff. (He's been on at least two
of her albums...) So, when are the bears gonna have an album?
> How many people see a record in a bin by an artist they've never
> heard of, and just buy it for the hell of it?
I do I do I do! Just last week I baught an album by the pink holes
called the amazing pink holes which I'd never heard of before. I
heartily recommend it. (Um, its on el "something" label that has as a
drawing of two cows humping in front of a barn).
f
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Posted-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 86 16:11:20 cdt
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 86 16:11:20 cdt
From: ll-xn!uwvax!astroatc!gtaylor (More Blurred Than Slurred)
Subject: Sonic Youth Bootleg
Apparently-To: Love-Hounds
Perusing that bastionrag of the "AHHT" world Artforum (which I bought
for the Eno flexi in it), I notice an ecstatic review of a Sonic Youth
live recording that exists in bootleg form. From what Greil Marcus
say about it, it seems to have a lot of the detuned live noise stuff
on the stuff that the Hof has allowed me to hear. I wanna hear it. Do
any of you have it? Wanna swap for a live Robert Fripp at the Kitchen
bootleg tape?
This bodes ill for the youth if they're attracting the interest
of the art world, I'll betcha..........
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 01:37:50 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: KB News
Well, the latest issue (#23) of *Homeground*, "the International Kate
Bush Fanzine" arrived a few days ago and there's some new news:
Kate is now working on her next album. She hopes to begin recording
very shortly and the target date for completion is sometime next
Spring (and if you believe that one, I have a very nice Orgone
Accumulator for sale, real cheap.)
A German record company somehow got hold of some of one Kate's early
demo tapes from 1973, and believed it had purchased the rights to
press it. The album was pressed and entitled *Kate Bush: The Early
Years*. When Kate found out about it, she took legal action and all
the pressed albums are to be destroyed.
If anyone ever sees one of these, please keep in mind that Doug will
gnaw off his left arm and mail it to you in exchange for this album.
Fred and Judy Vermorel apparantly plan to publish yet another
biography of Kate.
And these are some reviews of "Don't Give Up":
Melody Maker: The stand-out track is "Don't Give Up"... set
against his sombre narrative... comes Kate Bush's imploring
counterpoint, begging him to believe in himself the way his
family and friends do. Her fragile anguished performance
gives the piece almost unbearable emotional impact...
Sounds: "Don't Give Up", the worst song on the album, is a
complicated analogue that winds up sounding like a James
Taylor poem...
- Doug "Apocalypse Soon" Alan
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 9:48:58 EDT
From: James B Hofmann <hof...@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject: Reply to IED
Dear IED:
I thought the directive of this digest was to discuss all music,
not just Ms. Bush. Face it, some of you could probably use a vacation
from her New Age pseudo-mystiktism. Doug, perhaps you could clarify
your description about the intent of this digest.
Another question that bothers me: has the PMRC rated Kate yet?
Will the Meese Kommision decide she is pornographic and slap her in leg-
irons if she ever comes back to the states? Can I get pictures if they
do? Kate in bondage, yow.
jimboy
p.s. Sue - cool Swans review. Now if only I could find de damn vinyl.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 15:46:03 EDT
From: David S. Comay <d...@seismo.CSS.GOV>
Subject: capital radio
sorry to bother all you love-hounds out there that don't live in the
d.c./maryland/virginia area, but i recently moved out here from oregon
and am searching for one or more decent radio stations. something
along the lines of kalx in berkeley or kxlu in los angeles would be
real nice, with commercial-free stations a definite plus (does anybody
still listen to commercial radio?) anyway, does anybody know of a
station that is not afraid to play sonic youth alongside linton kwesi
johnson and perhaps even a little bit of kate once in awhile?
dsc
capital radio,
capital in tune with nothing,
don't touch that dial ...
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 86 22:18 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS...@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: HG 23
Got "Homeground" number 23 yesterday.
Doug has mentioned the big news to L-Hs,
with appropriate dubiety about its reliability.
IED would like to add for the record that
this issue is really a major improvement over
earlier HGs. If it were just the glossy
paper I wouldn't be (too) impressed (I hope), but the artwork
is a definite improvement: Debbie's (?) cover
is really an exceptional drawing after a photo,
and Steve's "Cosmic Kate" is much better organized
than it used to be, and quite funny.Perhaps the
competition, as well as the shot in the arm they've
got from Kate's apparent endorsement, have combined
to push them to new heights. Incidentally, IED still
hasn't had an answer from Blow-Away, even after seven months and
three letters (two of which even had the right address on them).
Regarding Belew, he worked on Riuichi Sakamoto's LP "Left-Handed
Dream" and the Sakamoto/Robin Scott (formerly "M") EP "The
Arrangement", which includes versions of the LP tracks. IED shouldn't
be discussing this, it has nothing to do with KT.
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Date: Thursday, July 10, 1986 11:47:30
From: mayer
Subject: Public Image Limited at the Warfield Theater in SF 6/2/86
I have wanted to see PiL for a while. The last time I saw Johnny
Rotten performing was with the sex pistols back in London in 1977. I
was 13. I've often been told to check out PiL.... "they're intense"
.... I was told. THEY were right. THEY often are.
Opening band sucked donkey dicks. I can't remember their name, but
they do that stupid semi-rap song "We Care Alot" that I had the
misfortune of hearing the night after seeing PiL at Club DNA in SF.
Anybody know who these clowns are so I can be sure to miss them next
time?
PIL: Yowza! The show started off slow with the band playing some Led
Zeppelin tune and Johnny howling. It all comes full circle y'know.
Johnny Lydon, a.k.a. Johnny Rotten, was doing it as a reaction to the
purple acid haze left by the sixties and found in Led Zeppelin's
music. And now PiL is churning out their own version of postpunk
acid-haze. Pil, why, they're the Grateful Dead of punk! Cult-followed
since the demise of punk (whenever that happened), Pil, has that "old
band" feel that you only get out of really practised bands like the
Dead, or like Siouxsie and the Banshees. And besides, everything PiL
does on album is shit. Just like the dead. But they sure give good
concerts. Just like the dead. The band itself puts you in a high-tech
acid haze brought on by lots of digital delays on the voice, guitar
synthesizers... a mean bass line churned out by some natty looking
black dude playing a steinberger really drove the music. The overall
effect was a whirling dervish of sound that sounded like King Crimson
meets Ravi Shankar. The Indo-rock aspect of the music was really
unmistakeable when the guitar player brought out some four string
indian thang (well, it wasn't a sarod, sitar, or tamboura, as far as I
can tell) that sounded like the high end of a sitar. And the bass
player at times could have been playing a sarod. They both seemed to
be plugged into a sounds effects machine that seemed to give mached
digital efxts between the guitar and the bass.... so that
pitch-shifting modulations of the harmonics of the bass and guitar
seemed to be synchronized.... both the guit and bass stayed in tune
with each other despite the wide pitch modulations caused by the
harmonizer-delays. It seems like they were feeding the guitar and bass
sounds to a synth. Its hard to describe. It sounds really nice. Makes
you want to melt.
Ok, so what about Johnny? well, he was simply this incredible stage
presense. If you're into ascerbic english fellows of extreme pallor
and egomaniacal tendencies, then you'd probly like Johnny's stage
presence. Some fuckwad had a flashback to '77 and thought it cool to
spit on Johnny, which prompted a nasty "You little bastard" from Lydon
and audience applause. As far as stage prescience goes... well I was
fucking overwhelmed at about 10 feet away from Lydon in the
really-mild-thrash-pit-consisting-of-mostly-kids-from-milpitas.
Hopefully the rest of the audience notices Lydon's energy else half
the show is gone.
The result. A bunch of intense musicians, with a ex. Sex Pistols
member thrown in for free to provide "test-of-time-respectability". So
there.
Niels Mayer (ma...@hplabs.hp.com)
Hewlett Packard Laboratories.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 16:25:47 EDT
From: bu-cs!sam (Shelli Meyers)
Subject: "Don't Give Up"
>This is an understandable reaction (although it's really not
>fair to say the song is WORSE than Lionel Richie, etc. Come on!).
>You haven't made any direct criticism of Kate here, but given the
>purported subject of L-Hs, criticism of her has been implied.
[paragraphs on how I shouldn't have blamed Kate at all]
Wait! Calm down! I didn't flame Kate. I know Peter Gabriel
wrote it. Although if Kate wrote it I'd still hate it.
You know what I hate the *MOST* about "Don't Give Up"? The lyrics
are so NAUSEATINGLY trite.
>And what of this
>Big Country record, and Kate's vocal on "The Seer"? That's a pretty
>silly track, despite the care taken with the syntax of its lyrics.
>(The worst thing about it is the lead singer's insistence on taking over
>Kate's part, with Kate relegated to the background! As if there
>wasn't quite enough of his voice on the rest of the album!)
Geez, and I *like* "The Seer". I think it is a) nicely arranged, especially
the vocals; b) doesn't sound the SAME THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SONG; and
c) is very fun and unusual, especially for Big Country.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 86 22:22 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS...@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: IEDeosynchronicities
O.K., go ahead and maunder on about subjects unrelated to Kate if you
want, Jimbo. IED was in a bad mood when posting that intolerant
message. IED would like to ask one thing, however: WHY? WHY would you
want to discuss OTHER music than Kate's? Or at least, why discuss
other music except insofar as it might be related to Kate's in some
way? This is truly a puzzlement...
Speaking of Kate, IED just got out of the Nuart after seeing Herzog's
"Nosferatu" again. This time he was armed with a walkman and recorded
the Czech (or Russian) men's choral passage from the film which Kate
used in The Ninth Wave. The "folk music", as it is called in the
opening credits, is performed by a group called "Zinzcaro", if the
name is remembered correctly. (The damn film isn't out on video in
this country, apparently, so IED can only go by memory about the
spelling.) NOT by the Richard Hickox Singers. This is especially
significant in light of the extraordinary similarity between the two
performances of the piece. On careful listening, however, it is clear
that, although extremely similar, the two performances are definitely
different. The point where the difference is most clearly audible is
in the forte repeat of the theme: in Kate's version the singing is a
bit stronger, and the bass singer holds his note steadily between two
of the chorus's syllables. This is not the case in the film version.
Also, Kate has treated the sound of the choir electronically in some
way -- or so it seems to IED -- whereas the film choir, which sings
unaccompanied (Kate's choir is supported by a fermata note by a string
section), is recorded in a more prosaic way. All of this is
particularly interesting because the same thing seems to be the case
with the excerpt from "Curse of the Demon" which can be heard at the
beginning of "Hounds of Love". IED has been assured that this passage
is not the original, but a careful re-creation. Yet it is so similar
that without such assurance it would be difficult to believe.
If anyone is in contact with a German folk-music fan, perhaps he/she
might ask about "Zinzcaro"? Meanwhile IED plans to try to track down
Richard Hickox.
Incidentally, the lead actor (not Kinski, but the younger man who
plays Jonathan Harker) bears an astonishing resemblance to the actor
whom Kate hired for the romantic lead in her "Hounds of Love" film. If
it weren't for the thinning hair of the actor in "Nosferatu", IED
would swear they were one and the same man.
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From: think!caip!unirot!fidelis
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 86 00:18:54 edt
Subject: Creation Records Compilation
Organization: Pubic Access Un*x, Pissthataway NJ (The Soup Kitchen)
There's a compilation album called "I Love the Smell of Napalm"...
mfg. and dist. in the U.S. by Rough Trade. It is a compilation of
various singles on the Creation label. SUch as The Jasmine Minks,
Slaughter Joe, Meat Whiplash, The Bodines, and more.
It is actually pretty good...considering most other compilations are
rather poor. (I don't know why this was under hardcore at the record store
either - I thought the people there knew their music).
Slaughter Joe is the guy that produced Jesus and the Mary Chain, tho' he
is rather pathetic... Meat Whiplash is another group produced by him...
they *try* to sound like JaMC - two droning, screaming guitars, simple
bass line, two piece drum set...but the vocals suck, and they can't even
make some kind of melody out of two chords...
A song by the Weather Prophets is kinda cool...semi-60'ish. While a
group called Revolving Paint Dream plays stereotypical psychedelia - slightly
amusing.
The other groups featured are: Biff Bang Pow!, and Primal Scream...
CHameleon's new single is very good. Tho' it is on Geffen Records
Incidentally, the lead actor (not Kinski, but the younger now. (Did
MCA drop them?) It has the usual drawn cover...but inside are..
*gasp*...PHOTOS of them...at least the music doesn't sound like they
sold out. ANyway, it includes a free single, which contains "Swamp
Thing" and Incidentally, the lead actor (not Kinski, but the younger
"Inside out" Which are rather good! Normally, free singles have
terrible stuff on them. The material sounds like their las album,
except polished up a bit more (maybe just a better recording studio).
SIngle is called "Tears" b/w "Paradiso"
"This is for when your flesh creeps and never comes back..."
...caip!unirot!fidelis
(Usenet is great...but Love-Hounds comes so late, and sometimes we
miss some issues! BLEH!)
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