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Jul 31, 1986, 8:38:00 AM7/31/86

Love-Hounds Digest Issue L13

Topics:

* PARTY TIME... [2 articles]
* What me worry?
* KiTnKaBoodle
* "The Dreaming" CD [2 articles]
* T-shirts
* Another year older, another year wiser
* The Twelve Days of Katemas
* PG rumour
* Random KT KommenTs
* Deeper, deeper...
* Sonic Fucking Youth
* Whats new in HINRG?
* K-T-shirts; KriTique of _Lionheart_ pressing.
* Who wants "to keep the shirt away..."? Not IED
* Re: Sonic Fucking Youth
* wKAing ThE witch: Yeah, but not THAT kind of awakening
* If and when someone does make a t-shirt, count me in for a large
* So on July 30th God said, "Let there be Kate."
* PG's childhood...

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 13:02:18 EDT
From: bu-cs!sam (Shelli Meyers)
Subject: PARTY TIME...

Oh goodie, I love a party. Just as long as it isn't on August 16th
and just as long as it isn't at my house :-)

I vote for Doug's. We need to piss off the little old lady upstairs
who says his TV is too loud.

And by the way...

I know somebody at a T-Shirt place in Allston. If we could get, say
30 orders, they offer a good discount. Post it to net.music...maybe
there are some KB fans that are there but are not yet *here*...

- Shelli

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 07:49:37 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Re: PARTY TIME...

> [Shelli Meyers:] Oh goodie, I love a party. Just as long as it
> isn't on August 16th and just as long as it isn't at my house :-)

> I vote for Doug's. We need to piss off the little old lady upstairs
> who says his TV is too loud.

Women! They won't talk to you, but they'll volunteer parties at
*your* place! Sigh.

In any case, sure, I'll throw a party on Saturday, August 9th, 4:00
pm. I'll provide the appartment, booze, munchies, videos, and stereo.
Bring your own drugs and coma-sutra oil.

Don't expect my appartment to be a luxury condo. (I almost got the
bargain luxury condo, but the people right before me took it! Sob!
Sob!) It's more like a little student slum. Don't look in the bath
tub.

If anyone wants to help out (especially people who volunteer parties
at other people's appartments), please tell me. RSVP si tu plais, and
I'll tell you how to get to my appartment in *beautiful* Cambridge.
Please include a phone number.

To all those who want to taunt the little old lady upstairs, she's
really a middle-aged lady downstairs who moved out. (Awwww!)

-Doug

"After the party..."

Nes...@Eddie.MIT.EDU
{allegra,seismo,decvax!genrad}!mit-eddie!nessus

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From: The Grand Pu-Bah <nessus>
Subject: What me worry?

I would like to take this opportunity to remind Chris Valas that he
can skip over articles he doesn't want to read and shouldn't feel it
necessary to be obnoxious to people who are obsessed by things that
don't interest him. I would also like to remind Andrew Marvick that
he shouldn't try to discourage other people from discussing non-KB
related topics. Discussion of any interesting music or art is
encouraged.

The charter of this maling list was something like "A forum for Kate
Bush fans to discuss her music and any other artistic music or art."
Both IED and cv should keep this in mind.

-Doug

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 86 13:41 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS...@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: KiTnKaBoodle

Response to: marvicK To the rescue!

>After an extensive listening to the CD with LH moderator Doug Alan,
>we conclude that the exchange is not "What's that?" but rather .
>"What is it?" And yes, it's there...

Absolutely right, it's "What is it?" Thanks. Glad to hear you hear it
the way IED does, he was beginning to doubt it himself.

>On another point, Doug brought up something about "Waking the Witch".
>Does Katie-kins say "Help me, baby, talk to me, listen to me, tell
>them baby" or "Help me, baby, talk to me, listen to me come, baby"?
>Doug maintained the word is "come", I maintain it's "tell them".
>Comments, anyone?

Katie-kins? IED thinks it could be "come, baby" -- but NOT "...listen
to me come, baby"!! Just "Listen to me. Come, baby!" The punctuation
is crucial -- it's true she's been using some naughty language lately,
but only when it was relevant to the song's meaning.

As for a Love-Hounds meeting, great, except how to choose a location?
You guys are in Cambridge, IED and others are in L.A./Pasadena, others
in between. Same problem Break-Through had. Solution for IED was to
miss out on the festivities. All weep here.

As for t-shirts, the estimate of $6-8 is very low. What kind of
design are you talking about? IED thought maybe the front should
say something like

Love-Hounds {in script}
An International
Kate Bush {in blocks}
Computer Forum

And below that the KT logo, or maybe a version of it
with some change of our own.

But it would be nice to have something else on the back, too,
perhaps a quotation from one of the songs, one that would
mystify the ignorant rabble, as does the line from "Hounds of Love"
on the black sweatshirt.

The problem is, wouldn't all this cost much more than $6-8 ?

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 18:39:49 EDT
From: Nancy Everson <eve...@spca.bbn.com>
Subject: The Dreaming cd

What's this?? Did someone say something about "The Dreaming" cd??? And
using the word "when" rather than "if"???? Is it actually going to be
available soon? Let me know!

On the t-shirt topic, count me in. I don't have any good (or bad, for
that matter) ideas for a shirt, but I definitely want one. Unless it's
really gross and ugly or something, of course.

- Nancy

p.s. why has the volume of love-hounds gone down? is everyone on summer
vacation?

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Date: 28 Jul 86 14:46:00 PST
From: "ROSSI J.A." <ro...@nusc.ARPA>
Subject: T-shirts

In response to IED and the $6-$8 cost assessment, I believe that a
very reasonable (in terms of design) silk-screened shirt can be done
in quantities of about 25 min. at a cost even less than $6-$8. In
actuality, the greatest cost is in the actual fabric/construction
quality of the shirt itself. The silkscreening process, a one shot
deal, can usualy be amortized amazingly cheaply even over a run of 25
shirts. One possibility for lowering the cost on the silkscreening
side is to have the work done my handicapped work force groups. My
wife has been a director/area co- ordinator for various Mental
Retardation groups for about 10 years now. In that time, I remenber
her setting up silkscreening operations at some of the facilities she
managed. Since the idea in those type situations is an accentuation
of people's worth along with small marginal profits, these type groups
will often do a low volume run (under 100 shirts) at a cost equivalent
to what a real business might impose for a large run item (1000+
shirts). Since we (Love-Hounds) seem united in supporting the 'little
guy' this may be a chance to contribute to society as well as our own
personal vanaties. As far as complex designs go, the major technical
difficulty is in the production of the mask (especially for
multi-coloured designs). I personally have friends that are into
doing silkscreens and may provide the labor at an attractive rate
considering the nature (non-profit) of this venture and especially if
we allowed the screening to be done by some handicapped or disabled
group. I am definately in favor of the T-shirt concept, however, I
also agree that I am against an I heart Kate type of design. I also
agree, that the notion of Love-Hounds should appear on the shirt (if
for nothing else than an edge against any legal questions concerning
the rights to Kate Bush momentos by EMI or whover owns the rights to
such things). Then again there is always the permission angle. At
any rate, we should find out about such legal ramifications before we
actually start production on a shirt. If the shirt was fashioned as
A. Marvick suggests, from my limited experience, I think we are in the
clear as long as the quote from Kate is, in fact, a quote, and is
acknowledged as such (which would, of course, be the whole point
anyway). I also like the international angle.

As for a group get-together, lets not decide on St. Louis as a compromise
location. For that matter, let's not go to the midwest at all.

John

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 9:23:42 EDT
From: Susanne E Trowbridge <umcp-cs!jhunix!ins_...@seismo.CSS.GOV>
Subject: Another year older, another year wiser

Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday dear Kate,
Happy birthday to you.

(By the time my fellow LHs get this, it should be Kate's birthday,
so why not throw a party, call your local radio stations and
request Kate songs, etc.?)

>"Well Well Well..." by the Woodentops is, well, come on, EVERYONE likes
>the Woodentops, right? Whoever Animal Jesus is, s/he has found a good
>band to produce. Lots of energy, tight playing, etc. BTW, one of the
>guest producers on the album is Swami Ananda Nagara. Didn't he produce the
>fine "25 O'clock" album by The Dukes of Stratosphear (XTC) ? Or am I being
>silly?

Must be an Illuminati plot! Actually, Animal J. and Swami A. are
both Andy Partridge! If you like "Well Well Well," which is a compi-
lation of tracks from the WTs' first four 12" singles (plus a couple
of BBC sessions), you MUST check out their album, "Giant." It is
most...amazing. Sigh.

>"The Drain Train" New Cabaret Voltaire. Kirk and Mallinder up to their
>old tricks. I hated "Red Mecca" but liked the direction they took in "Micro-
>phonies" and "The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord".

I too prefer the funky Cabs, but I think their recordings are getting
a touch monotonous. My friend Bill does a great impression of Stephen
Mallinder singing an archetypal CabVolt song. Too bad that some things
can't be sent over the net...

-Sue

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From: jmturn%ringwl...@CCA.CCA.COM
Date: Monday, 28 Jul 1986 21:10-EDT
Subject: Re: The Dreaming cd

A source in the Netherlands swears up and down that he owns and can
purchase more of "The Dreaming". I'm working out a deal where several
copies will find their way into American hands, but don't really feel
like fronting a group effort, especially at the $30+/CD it's gonna
cost.

Save Your Vertical Blanking Intervals
for Big Cash Prizes!

James Turner
(The Ringworld Engineer)

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From: cca!ringwld!jmturn
Date: Monday, 28 Jul 1986 22:39-EDT
Subject: Re: T-shirts

Some data on T-shirts from the guy who's doing the SFL shirts:

Plain old 1-color-ink-on-Haynes-Beefy-T-no-womens-sizes (OCIOHBTNWS)
will run you $4.50 a shot in quantities of 75 or above. Now then...
add $1 per shirt to mail it... (yep, it really does cost that much...)
Now add another $.50 so you can print extras (and since you have to
order in even dozen lots, fill out the order). Sounds like $6 to me...

If someone were to deliver a list of names, and $6 per shirt, along
with camera ready artwork. T-shirts would be created...

Save Your Vertical Blanking Intervals
for Big Cash Prizes!

James Turner
(The Ringworld Engineer)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 05:44:31 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: The Twelve Days of Katemas

As you all know, tomorrow, July 30th is that holiest of holidays:
Katemas. In fact, it is the 28th Katemas. I hope that you will all
join me now in singing a Katemas karol, in celebration of this sacred
day...

THE TWELVE DAYS OF KATEMAS

On the first day of Katemas my true love gave to me a long
kiss with a little gold key.

On the second day of Katemas my true love gave to me two "Big
Sky" picture disks and a long kiss with a little gold key.

... etc. ...

On the twelfth day of Katemas my true love gave to me

12 still-suits distilling
11 dancers dancing
10 pipers piping
9 drum machines drumming
8 bongoers bongoing
7 Fairlights sampling
6 digerdooers 'a digerdoodling
5 Leeeeeeeooooooootaaaaarrrrrrrds
4 videos
3 gaffers' tape
2 "Big Sky" picture disks

and a long kiss with a little gold key.

-Doug

"And then one day you find, ten years have got behind you"

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 06:02:07 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: PG rumour

Today on WFNX one of the DJ's said that PG's "Red Rain" is dashing
up the charts? Has this been released as a single?

He also said that Peter recently had to move out of his house, because
so many fans were camping out on his front lawn. Does anyone know if
this is true? I find it unlikely -- I mean Tears for Fears lives
right down the street, and I haven't heard of them having any problems.

-Doug

"Science, for Vergil, was like an unattainable woman, who suddenly
opens her arms to him before he's ready for a mature love -- leaving
him afraid he'll forever blow the chance, lose the prize, screw up
royally. Apparently, he had."

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 06:13:57 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Random KT KommenTs

> [Joe Turner:] After an extensive listening to the CD [of *Hounds of
> Love*] with LH moderator Doug Alan, we conclude that the exchange is
> not "What's that?" but rather "What is it?"

We conclude??? Not that it makes any difference at all, but I hear
"What's that?"

Regarding "Waking The Witch":

> [A. Marvick:] IED thinks it could be "come, baby" -- but NOT
> "...listen to me come, baby"!! Just "Listen to me. Come, baby!" The
> punctuation is crucial -- it's true she's been using some naughty
> language lately, but only when it was relevant to the song's
> meaning.

Come, come now -- aren't we talking about the same woman who has
called "Night of the Swallow", "Nice to Swallow"? Besides the naughty
meaning would be completely relevant to the song. The song's about a
a dream of going into a church to confess one's sins and getting
accused of being a witch. It would make perfect sense in a dream
about confessing to get a little extravagent in describing one's
sexual sins.

> As for t-shirts, the estimate of $6-8 is very low. What kind of
> design are you talking about?

I thought the original proposal was for a shirt with *The Dreaming* on
it.

> But it would be nice to have something else on the back, too,
> perhaps a quotation from one of the songs, one that would mystify
> the ignorant rabble, as does the line from "Hounds of Love" on the
> black sweatshirt.

*The Dreaming* has on the back cover the perfect quote to put on the
back of a Love-Hounds T-Shirt!

> [Sue:] Same songs as the Brit 12", but it's in a sturdy cardboard
> sleeve instead of the flimsy type UK 12"s come in. (A friend with a
> taste for social commentary says that's because the British feel
> that pop music is inherently disposable, and what's more disposable
> than a single, you'll just want to throw it away anyway.

I don't think so. I think they just do it to be consistent. It's a
12" single, so they package them like a big single, rather than like
an album, which is how they package them here. They seem to package
singles much better in England than in the US, and albums too. But
single packaging in England is not as good as album packaging in the
US, so 12" singles come out packaged better here. They do usually do,
however, a better job of pressing the singles in England, and also
they are normally 45 rpm, which is better than 33 rpm.

> [James Turner:] A source in the Netherlands swears up and down that
> he owns and can purchase more of "The Dreaming". I'm working out a
> deal where several copies will find their way into American hands,
> but don't really feel like fronting a group effort, especially at
> the $30+/CD it's gonna cost.

I'll see it when I believe it!

-Doug

"After all, Vergil had turned his piss blue. They were friends."

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 08:05:35 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Deeper, deeper...

> [IED:] This has nothing to do with the line spoken in German from
> the same part of The Ninth Wave: "Tiefer, tiefer, ergendwo in der
> Tiefe gibt es ein licht." If you notice, that line, spoken by Gabi
> Zangerl, is accompanied by the sounds of a submarine's sonar signal.
> It is IED's theory that this is meant to evoke images of U-boat
> activity during WWII, and possibly to create the feeling of
> claustrophobia that must have existed within the confined spaces of
> a submarine which is a big part of the movie "Das Boot". Kate has
> several times referred to old war movies as a primary inspiration
> for The Ninth Wave.

It has always my impression that the submarine sonar sounds indicate
that Kate is rescued by a submarine. After all, we have the voice
telling us that "somewhere in the depth, there is a light", then we
hear submarine sounds, and then Kate is safe on land again.

-Doug

"What about our relationship, Otto???"
"Fuck that!"

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From: wici...@nrl-cst.arpa
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 12:32:39 edt
Subject: Sonic Fucking Youth

first: You do not want to have a party in the last part of August in
the Boston/tri-state area. yours truly will be in those parts, and i
will be forced in inudate myself upon any festivity you have. Doug's
already telling me he will be out of town...

Sonic Youth/Government Issue/Gone/some other band/ Complex/July 18th.

first band was like forgetable. Gone is living proof that Jimmy Page
has secretly joined SST records, and will be replacing Gregg Ginn in
Black Flag. Long hair and everything. Government Issue played and
sounded like Government Issue. Hofmann swears they're godlike, but he
just wants to get in Stabb's pants.

Sonic Fucking Youth blew the house away. They were much better than
their previous trendy club show, and live up to their name of noise
noise and more noise. They did screw up and invite Psychodrama into the
show, since some writer wrote that they were trendy. Sonic youth was
then inudated with sleazy attacks from them, in typical Psychodrama
fashion.

*Indigesti from Italy will be at the Complex in August. Rumor has it
*that they are an Anna Domino cover band. Can anyone confirm this ??

SquirrelBait/Volcano Suns/

Save your money and don't go see squirrel bait. I was so unimpressed
that I was overcome with boredom. I would have fallen asleep would it
not be for Volcano Suns, who opened, and ripped the house up. Didn't
even stay around for the second squirrel bait set.

Summary: See Sonic Youth and Volcano Suns. If you have drugs, go see
Gone, if not stay home. Always see Government Issue, especially if you
haven't. stay away from squirrelbait. Go see Indigesti.

Look for Sonic Youth in a Video edition of the WDC period. Also
Psychodrama.

Rumor has it skateboards are the new yuppie things. Is this true?? If
not why did Hofmann go buy one ??

tim

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Date: 29 Jul 86 14:24:00 PST
From: "ROSSI J.A." <ro...@nusc.ARPA>
Subject: Whats new in HINRG?
Reply-To: "ROSSI J.A." <ro...@nusc.ARPA>

Pascal called me last night to inform me that TRANS-X's latest album was
released on Atco last week. He also appologizes for becomming the
darling of the 'Gay-Disco' set, and assures me that the new album is more
in line with what Hofboyy (note:I got the correct duplicate letter this
time) hates in Euro-Techno-Wimpy pop. Pascal is using two backup females
for vocals now so now he should sound like a cross between Kraftwerk and
The Eurithmetics. Anyway, for the few fans of Living on Video, it is the
first single from this album (its on both) and has hit the CA charts with
a bullet. Knowing his flair for extravagance, I'll be surprised to see
a fully listenable album this time, but, Who Knows?

If the LH party is going to be anytime between 21 AUG and 26 AUG we can
have it in Arlington, VA. APA is in Washington, and I'll have a suite
at the Guest Quarters there for that time. It offers all the amenities
and, I havent trashed a hotel during a convention since 1977.

Even if there is no organized party there at that time, any LH locals can
feel free to come over and start one during that week. Please note, however,
I do not have A. as a middle name as my stupid mailer keeps telling the
world. At any rate, I'd be interested if anything worthwile is going on
in the Wash-Balt-Phil area during that time to find out.

John

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 22:32:24 edt
From: Joe Turner <cutter%umass-bos...@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA>
Subject: K-T-shirts; KriTique of _Lionheart_ pressing.

I was thinking of a design more along one side only... but that's personal
preference.

Costs change depending on what type of shirt you ask for -- after being
around science-fiction conventions, which are notorious for t-shirt-mania,
the consensus I've found is that Haynes Beefy-T's are the best t-shirts to
use for silkscreen printing. This is the type of shirt being used for the
SF-Lover's t-shirt, which costs $6 - $8, depending on size. Costs will also
change depending on how carefully you ask them to check the shirts. It will
also change for double-sided printing. You can expect to pay no more than
$10 for an excellant quality, single-sided t-shirt, possibly in two colors.
(I'd rather go for three-color printing, but two-color is more economical)

As for a design, I was thinking of something more general and simple. The
front of the shirt would be:

__________
_____________/ \_____________
| |
| ______________ |
----------+ | / +----------
| K | / B |
| |/ |
| A |\ U |
| | \ |
| T | \ S |
| |
| E H |
|__________________|

The words "Kate Bush" could either be in "Hounds of Love" calligraphy, or,
as someone suggested, in "Kick Inside" lettering.

On the back, in "Hounds of Love" calligraphy, would be:

Additional suggestions: remove the net address and make the KT logo in
dot-matrix form? The quote from "The Dreaming" also seemed quite ap-
propriate...

In regards to a gathering... the summer *is* nearing the end (like, a
month until college starts back up), so it should be soon. Boston is
quite far from anywhere, so I was thinking, NYC? DC? Philly? Some
major area like that... Andy Marvick, maybe we can contribute a few
bucks and fly/bus/train you out here... or get in a car with some
other Californians and make the trek! (Let's be a tad unrealistic, why
don't we?) I know - let's all meet in the geographic center of the
country! Better yet, let's all fly to the UK and have a get-together
with the Bush family! ("Like, party at Kate's house, her folks are away for
the weekend...!") But seriously, how prohibitively expensive would it be
for people to get to the east coast?

Other KaTe stuff: I recently picked up the US pressing of "Lionheart". DANGER!
DANGER WILL ROBINSON! What a horrible pressing! The sound is PITIFUL - very
fuzzy and crackly, and there was even a dimple in the record at the beginning
of "In the Warm Room". I returned the thing to Newbury Comics, and got another.
Same problems! Blech. Stupid me for not buying import. AVOID AMERICAN PRESSINGS
OF _LIONHEART_!!!! Talking to the clerk, I understand there are many returns of
_Lionheart_ due to imperfections. Let's go firebomb an EMI-America record
plant, then they'll have to build a newer (better?) one...

Later.

Save your parity bits for big cash prizes!
Joe

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 12:33 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS...@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: Who wants "to keep the shirt away..."? Not IED

To: John Rossi
Re: KT-shirts

Sounds great, John. IED's all in favor of using what sounds
like your vast network of T-shirt-making experts. We have to
see the design, however, unless we can describe it very precisely
in Love-Hounds.

About Doug's reminder that it was going to be a "Dreaming"
t-shirt, o.k., but you're just talking about the picture part of
the design, and maybe the quotation on the back, right, Doug?
The front of the shirt should still say "Love-Hounds" on it.
Also, there are several great lines that could
be used as the quotation, not just the "Houdini" line. Still,
that IS a great line; IED approves.

So, we've got "Love-Hounds" in HoL script (or the closest thing
to it that's available) on the front at the top, with the
lines: "An international / Kate Bush / computer forum" printed
below that, in smaller blocks, upper- and lower-case. There should
still be room for the picture below that. If we use a photo, remember
that for a good silkscreen the original can't be too dark, should
have a lot of contrast and very clear contour lines. The Dreaming
cover is a pretty good candidate in this regard; even better on
these counts is the Ninth Wave outer cover photo, at least the
section of the photo with Kate's face.

Then, on the back, the quotation, two or three lines long, in
HoL script, and below that either "Kate Bush" or better yet
the KT logo. After all, it's pretty obvious from the front that
the quotation on the back is by Kate, right? We don't want this
shirt to seem too obvious.Or we could just have the title on the
front, and put the picture on the back.

The only thing is, IED thought it cost a certain amount of money
per letter for these things, isn't that right? Does the estimate
John made include any length of quotation? Also, how sharp and
small can the letters be?

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Subject: Re: Sonic Fucking Youth
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 13:02:13 PDT
From: tra...@CS.UCLA.EDU

SquirrelBait/Volcano Suns/

Who the hell is in Squirrel Bait? They stole the name. Now they've gone
and ruined it... I'll sue!!!

Douglas

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 12:55 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS...@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: wKAing ThE witch: Yeah, but not THAT kind of awakening

Sorry, this "come" business in "Waking the Witch" just doesn't hold
water with IED, who is no prude, but simply can't see any clear basis
for the interpretation. As IED sees the song, the character is asking
for help from her confessor BECAUSE she has been accused of being a
witch; the main purpose for her confession is to seek the protection
of the Church, NOT to admit that she is guilty. Her hope of salvation
is a metaphor for her hope for protection -- and, of course, both are
forlorn. But Doug's interpretation introduces a completely
irrelevant, even conflicting scene, wherein the character not only
confesses real sins (in the Church's eyes, mind you, not in IED's),
but RE-ENACTS them in the confessional! Give IED a break, Doug!

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 16:56:44 EDT
From: seismo!umcp-cs!aplvax!cp1!uucp...@amsaa.arpa
Apparently-To: <love-...@mit-eddie.arpa>

The Bible says that you shall put no false Gods or Goddesses
in front of you...

love-hounds sinners, repent and go to Church. Throw away your
evil records and compact disks, now... and you will be saved.

Trust in the lord and read your bible.

Randy Fitzwater

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Subject: If and when someone does make a t-shirt, count me in for a large
From: KNIGHT@MAINE (Michael Knight)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 14:42:56 EDT

If and when someone does make a t-shirt, count me in. I'm also
submitting to this forum the following idea. We need to design an
emblem for this conference, a visible icon to represent us in the
future, and on our t-shirt immediately. I feel this icon should be in
the form of a robotic dog: a love-hound. Here's one I'm submitting
now to start off with. Perhaps everyone who wants to could submit
ideas over the net and we could compile them into it's own special
digest, on which we could vote. Of course the final silkscreen need
not be an exact duplicate, but general layout, slogans, and lettering
could be decided (or not decided) in this way.

_ ----------------- V----
\\ / \ / o\
\\ / \/ _ \
\\ / \ / \_/
\Y \ /
/ Love-Hounds V
/ \
/_____________________________\

This fellow might be doing all sorts of cute things, like admiring a Kate
Bush logo.

_________
_ ----------------- V---- | /
\\ / \ / o\ | /
\\ / \/ _ \ | /
\\ / \ / \_/ |/
\Y \ / |\
/ Love-Hounds V | \
/ \ | \
/_____________________________\ | \

I leave this up to you folks. Doug, how about it?

Michael Knight
Bitnet: Knight@Maine

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Posted-Date: 29 Jul 86 18:16:57 PDT (Tue)
Subject: So on July 30th God said, "Let there be Kate."
Date: 29 Jul 86 18:16:57 PDT (Tue)
From: ts...@aerospace.ARPA

I want a picture on the T-shirt!!
Are we gonna get in trouble if we print the "Gold key" pic?

fst

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 12:22:51 EDT
From: JURGEN%UMass....@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: PG's childhood...

Can anybody tell me where Peter Gabriel is from? I know that he got his
higher education in England, but i seem to notice another accent in when
he speaks. Both his english and his german have something of an eastern
european sound to them...
just wondering, JEB

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 86 11:54:30 EDT
From: John Lorch <umcp-cs!jhunix!ecf_...@seismo.CSS.GOV>

Love-Hounds Digest Issue L12

>If anyone is interested in taking some real adventures in musical
>innovation rather than spending the summer on the tame (though pretty)
>stuff KB is doing these days, most of CAN's albums are available (when
>you can find them) for under five dollars. Do yourself a favor. Find
>out what Holger Czukay was like before he grew up.

>Chris Valas

Let's hear it for Holger! I think the stuff he's done since he
grew up is pretty hot, too. "Movies" is an incredible album, if only for
"Persian Love" and "Cool in the Pool". His next two, "on the way to the
peak of normal" and "den Osten ist Rot", are good but (I think) more
difficult.
I have two Irmin Schmidt albums, "Toy Planet" and "Film Music vol.1"
both are quite fine, and highly recommended.

> IED's desert island pop top ten list, NOT including Kate, is as
>follows:

> 1. Japan: Tin Drum and Gentlemen Take Polaroids
> 2. David Sylvian: Brilliant Trees
> 3. YMO: BGM and Technodelic
> 4. Ippu-Do: Night Mirage
> 5. Miharu Koshi: Tutu and Parallelisme

Another Japanese music fan. Good taste, IED. Have you tried following
the YMO clan as solos? Quite an expensive hobby, but worthwhile. Are
there other LH "Nipponophiles" out there?

>Many people have claimed that PGIII is the PGs of all PGs.

I've heard several people on the net say that. My personal
two drachmas worth is that PGIV is the best. The only song that I
think is less than a masterpiece on that album is "Kiss of Life",
which is still a good song. BTW, if and when he tours, sell your
mother for a seat, but *go see him*. I've seen him six times, and
he has been absolutely incredible each time. The last two (same tour,
a week apart) were the weakest, I think because of the computer
lighting, but still blew away anyone else I've ever seen. I'd be
interested in seeing Bruce Springsteen just to compare the two.

>(Melanie would be my first choice and ? Oldfield who does work with
>Mike Oldfield and did the memorable vocal on Voyage of the Acolyte,
>second).

Sally Oldfield, worthy of some attention herself.

Just a note- SO is, technically, PG VII. "Plays Live" and "Birdy" both
appeared in there. I know, live albums don't really count, and I can
see arguments for calling Birdy only a half, but ...

>I am unsure how to get the journal "Bit". Maybe you should come to my house,
>IED, and I'll show it to you. Perhaps you could appear for.... (drum roll,
>pleez...)

> The Second Semi-quarterly Biannual LOVE-HOUNDS Summer Gathering of
> Wits, Bodies, Food, Money, Records and etc!!!

>Time to be decided. Place to be decided. But it's the summer, and
>probably nearing the release date of HoL from last year, definately
>time for a 6-month anniversary of LH's continued existance, it's
>getting to be Kate's b-day soon, and it's a good excuse for a party,
>anyway! Comments? Suggestions? Maybe we could even have the LH
>t-shirt printed in time for it... By the by, the price of a t-shirt,
>to be printed up and everything, would be about $6 - $8.

Funny you should mention it. This past Saturday was the date of the
(drum roll, please)
Fourth Annual Peter Gabriel/Kate Bush WJHU Memorial Crab Feast

a grand tradition that was started on the occaision of Pete's last
concert tour (yes, it's been four years), which I believe occurred
either on or near Kate's bday. I counted at least three LoveHound
denizens there - meself, Sue Trowbridge, and a mystery guest who asked
to remain anonymous. Maybe we should expand on this next time.

>(Oh, and Douglas... as soon as those "The Dreaming" cd's come in, I'll give
>you a ring....)

When? Where? I want one, too!

John Lorch
JHU/HCF
veteran of the soon-to-be late lamented WJHU

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