Love-Hounds Digest (Issue L10)
Love-Hou...@eddie.mit.edu
Topics:
* Re: PIL
* NosferaKTu
* A few notes on the last issue.
* No more faith in Bruno
* Dr. Sue answers your questions
* Alice Cooper ?
* Bob Ezrin ?
* cd's, msic.
* Re: Capital and Mob city radio
* KaTchall
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 86 13:41:03 pdt
From: ll-xn!riacs!sequent!tektronix!reed!soren (Captain Klimt)
Subject: Re: PIL
I hate to break this to you, but Johnny did the spitting routine in his
Portland show. He started screaming at someone who had apparently spit on
him and then walked off (it was the end of an encore) saying "there's always
someone who wants to ruin it all for everyone else".
The "Clowns" who opened sound a lot like Faith No More.
I don't know what else they do, but "We Care Alot" is a
great song.
Have a nice day
Soren FP
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 86 15:56 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS...@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: NosferaKTu
Small world, eh, Fu-Sheng? Well, perhaps you're right that IED's
enthusiasm for KT borders on the lunatical in comparison with that of
other L-Hs; he will try to keep that in mind in future.
Since you ask, here is what IED knows about the Nosferatu connection:
In between the verses of "Hello Earth", Kate interstitched an uncanny
duplication of the men's choral passage from the surreal
"drink-and-be-merry-for-tomorrow-we-may-die" scene from the end of
Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu", although altering the sound somewhat, and
adding other instrumental tracks, either acoustic strings or a
Fairlight imitation. In the liner notes to Hounds of Love Kate
"thanks" Werner Herzog, not specifying what for. Then, in Tony Myatt's
Capital Radio interview, which was conducted for the Romford
Convention last October or November, Kate said that she had got the
men's choral section of "Hello Earth" "from" Herzog's "Nosferatu". She
first identified the origin of this music as "Czech or Russian", then
corrected herself by stating flatly that it was "Czech", adding that
the music had sounded "truly holy" to her. (I don't remember the words
exactly, but I have them on audio tape somewhere, and they are now in
print somewhere in a recent "Homeground", which has been printing a
transcription of the interview over the past two issues.)
At the beginning of the movie credit is given to Popol Vuh for the
main score (IED foolishly paid $10.00 plus for the soundtrack LP in
Europe last November, naively assuming that all the music from the
film would be included). Below Popol Vuh's credit, two additional
musical credits were listed, one for a passage from some Wagner opera
or other (didn't have time to read it) and the third for "folk music"
by some group (?) known as "Zinzcaro". This is almost certainly the
credit for the bit of choral music in the penultimate scene which Kate
used in "Hello Earth". However, Kate's version is sung by a British
choral group known as the "Richard Hickox Singers". In neither case
are the words intelligible to IED, since he knows neither Czech nor
Russian. He would be very interested to know what the words mean, or
even if the same words are sung in both versions, even though it is
admittedly highly unlikely that the lyrics' content bears any relation
to Kate's theme in The Ninth Wave, or even that she ever bothered to
find out what the words meant. It was clearly the sound that
interested her, not the meaning of the words.
This has nothing to do with the line spoken in German from the same
part of The Ninth Wave: "Tiefer, tiefer, ergendwo in der Tiefe gibt es
ein licht." If you notice, that line, spoken by Gabi Zangerl, is
accompanied by the sounds of a submarine's sonar signal. It is IED's
theory that this is meant to evoke images of U-boat activity during
WWII, and possibly to create the feeling of claustrophobia that must
have existed within the confined spaces of a submarine, which is a big
part of the movie "Das Boot". Kate has several times referred to old
war movies as a primary inspiration for The Ninth Wave.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 86 10:57:48 EDT
From: John Lorch <umcp-cs!jhunix!ecf_...@seismo.CSS.GOV>
Subject: A few notes on the last issue.
>From: Robert Stanzel <alliant!apollo!rps>
>Subject: Dave Stewart
>
>Also picked up last year's Dave Stewart/Barbara Gaskin album "Up from
>the Dark". On CD, it's very long; they must have included all the
>singles -- unfortunately. It's real drivel. Half the cuts are
>covers, including a very precious one of Dolby's "Leipzig". There's
>little of the old Dave Stewart, and the National Health sound isn't
>much there, either (most of NH participates). If this is Gaskin's
>fault (who is she?) then she's more evil than Madonna! Oh well, back
>to those 15 year old Egg albums...
Is that out? I've been waiting months for that CD! I have all of D.S.'s
singles on Broken Records - 8 in all, the latest being "the Locomotion".
I think they're very nice pop tunes, well done and nicely played. I read
in Keyboard magazine that the CD was to be released in April, but the
co. (Rykodisc) said it had been delayed (of course). It's CD only, btw.
I'm surprised you know Dave Stewart and don't know who Barbara
Gaskins is. She sang back-up on old Hatfield & the North lps, plus other
stuff from that Canterbury school group.
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>>I never said it was a smash success pop album. That doesn't mean it
>>wasn't a big influence. Among some circles it caused quite a
>>stir. You can hear its influence in all sorts of unexpected places;
>>like on Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, Meta Terra, Danielle Dax, Lisa
>>Dabello, The Cocteau Twins. The trumpets from "Sat In Your Lap" can
>>be heard in something by Tina Turner (which sure irked me, when I
>>heard it!). Orch-5 can be heard everywhere. The drum sound, the
>>Fairlight sound, the no cymbol sound, the ethnic eclecticism --
>>they're things that are now becoming quite common, but weren't in
>>1982.
>
>This is a misattribution of the rise in popularity of a few tricks
>of the sampling synth (orch-5 most obviously) to the "influence" of
>Kate's The Dreaming. Keyboard magazine asked her about this sound,
>and she seemed to accept the fact of that sound's popularity.
>It is extremely unlikely that the sameness of sampling sounds among
>ca. 1983 pop music can be attributed to The Dreaming, since there was
>at least one black dance track that came out in mid-1982 which used the
>same Orch-5 sound. It's possible that this kind of minimal and
>superficial influence can be detected in Duran Duran, but not in
>Depeche Mode -- as disposible as this band's music may be, it's not
>fair to attribute their discovery of sampling synthesizers to
>The Dreaming, especially since Kate's LP is miles beyond their pedestrian
>musical understanding. It is far more likely that they were introduced
>to the new range of synthetic sounds through their own interest in
>electronic instruments. The ethnic music fashion in English pop music
>was already quite strong before The Dreaming. In fact, one critic
>commented that Kate seemed to be following the trend herself. Since
>Kate was definitely aware of earlier third-world-influenced rock
>by that time (TH's "I Zimbra" and the RiL LP, for example, as well as
>the Adam Ant/Annabella crap that was permeating UK airwaves about
>then), such an assumption may not be entirely unjust.
I don't know who IED is, but I agree with it's statements here. The
Fairlight sounds are/were popular mainly because they come already
installed on the instrument when you buy them (presets). They are the
things people discover and play with when they first buy the machine,
and since most people never changes the patches on their synthesizers,
you get the same sounds over and over again. If you get exposed to the
instruments enough, you start to recognize the sounds they make. Yamaha
DX-7's are all over the place.
Also, since Fairlights are >very< expensive, usually musicians
don't own them - producers or studios do. Since studio time is so
expensive, people don't take the time to learn how to make new sounds
on the thing. Hence, repetition from the same sounds that grab people
right off.
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> Michael Hedges is one of the most incredible guitarists I've
> ever heard. I am finally buying my first Windham Swill album.
>
> Save your parity bits for big cash prizes!
> Joe
>
If you think Michael Hedges is incredible on record, you should
see/hear him live. What you might think is two or three tracks of guitar
on record is actually all done in one track. I'm not usually impressed
by acoustic guitar, but this guy is great.
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Also - I do believe that the guitar Greg doesn't like on "Not this
Time" is actually synthesizer. I'm not positive, but it sure sounds like
one to me.
John Lorch
Johns Hopkins University
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From: all...@calder.berkeley.edu (Allyn Hardyck)
Subject: No more faith in Bruno
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 86 16:03:24 PDT
mayer:
>Opening band sucked donkey dicks. I can't remember their name, but
>they do that stupid semi-rap song "We Care Alot" that I had the
>misfortune of hearing the night after seeing PiL at Club DNA in SF.
>Anybody know who these clowns are so I can be sure to miss them next
>time?
Faith No More... more on them when I post my review of the show (if I do).
ied:
>Incidentally, the lead actor (not Kinski, but the younger
>man who plays Jonathan Harker) bears an astonishing resemblance
>to the actor whom Kate hired for the romantic lead in her
>"Hounds of Love" film. If it weren't for the thinning hair
>of the actor in "Nosferatu", IED would swear they were one
>and the same man.
Could be ... his name's Bruno Ganz, he's a pretty well-known German
actor, been in a lot of films...
allyn
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 86 9:15:08 EDT
From: Susanne E Trowbridge <seismo!umcp-cs!jhunix!ins_aset>
Subject: Dr. Sue answers your questions
> jimboy
>p.s. Sue - cool Swans review. Now if only I could find de damn vinyl.
Thank ya. Try Joe's Record Paradise in Silver Spring, or even Music
Machine in Pikesville -- they might be able to special order it if it's
not in stock.
>Subject: capital radio
>sorry to bother all you love-hounds out there that don't live in the
>d.c./maryland/virginia area, but i recently moved out here from oregon
>and am searching for one or more decent radio stations.
>dsc
If you can't pick up WJHU (Baltimore, 88.1), WMUC (College Park, 88.1)
or WCVT (Towson, 89, 90, somewhere around there), try WHFS (Annapolis,
99.1). The first three are non-commercial college stations, but as is
the case with such, the wattage tends to be a bit on the low side.
WHFS plays lots of commercial nu-wave. Be sure to ignore it on weekday
mornings and afternoons from about 10 am - 5 pm, when the brain-damaged
(seriously, he is!) Damien, the son of WHFS's owner, and the moronic
Weasel are on the air. Other than that, there are some decent DJs. But
during Damien and Weasel's shows, you'd be better of listening to 98
Rock...
>Opening band sucked donkey dicks. I can't remember their name, but
>they do that stupid semi-rap song "We Care Alot" that I had the
>misfortune of hearing the night after seeing PiL at Club DNA in SF.
>Anybody know who these clowns are so I can be sure to miss them next
>time?
Faith No More.
> IED would like to ask one thing,
>however: WHY? WHY would you want to discuss
>OTHER music than Kate's?
Because this is a much better environment to discuss alternative music
than the hostile net.music, filled with Rush and Broooce fans. Of
course, we are all tied together by our common love for the great Kate,
and everybody contributes Katenews and views, which just proves our
common good taste!
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Date: 14 Jul 86 20:14:00 PST
From: "ROSSI J.A." <ro...@nusc.ARPA>
Subject: Alice Cooper ?
Reply-To: "ROSSI J.A." <ro...@nusc.ARPA>
Has anyone ever heard of Bob Ezrin? He apparently produced Alice Cooper's
last (?) album called DaDa (1983). Along from co-producing it he gets
the album credits for all the Fairlight work onb the |LP. Now, I know that
Alice Cooper is quite far from Kate Bush but the Fairlight work on DaDA
is just about as good (and better in parts) than what either Kate or PG have
musttered up to date. Anyway, this guy Ezrin isn't bad and assuming thaty
his life has not been overshadowed by working in a late-model Alice Cooper
act, he deserves some attention.
ow, you might ask, Why was I listening to an Alice Cooper album anyway? In
truth, my 8 yr old really gets off on his early stuff (Refrigerator Heaven,
Love it to Death and Killer) which he found in my vintage collection. He
persuaded me to buy him DaDa at a recent trek to the local Mall. I used to
enjoy Alice so I listened to the album (Typical except for Ezrin). Well,
out of the record buying habits of babes, often come Fairlight Gems?
School's out for summer!
(If Doug can quote Paul Simon, here, then why not Alice Cooper?)
John
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 86 01:51:54 EDT
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Re: Bob Ezrin ?
> From: "ROSSI J.A." <ro...@nusc.ARPA>
> Has anyone ever heard of Bob Ezrin?
Sure. He was one of the producers of Pink Floyd's *The Wall*. He
also co-wrote one of the songs on the album with Roger Waters. He
also was the over-producer of Peter Gabriel's first album.
-Doug
"Sun arise every mornin'"
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From: think!caip!unirot!fidelis
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 86 03:27:51 edt
Subject: cd's, msic.
Organization: Public Access Un*x, Piscataway NJ (The Soup Kitchen)
Anyone know if any material by TONES ON TAIL is on CD? I just bought
a CD player...and I need CD's to play on it! So far I've only got:
KILLING JOKE: 'Night Time', CABARET VOLTAIRE: 'The Covenant, The Sword
and the Arm of God', and PROPAGANDA: 'A Secret Wish'... I'm not
really a Kate fan..(sorry Doug!) but I wouldn't mind CD
recommendations.
And...*why* is IED (or wotevuh) bitchin' about people writing stuff
unrelated to Kate to this digest?!?! I thought this digest was for
*ANYTHING*. or am I wrong?
To whoever asked who did "We Care a Lot"...the group is FAITH NO MORE.
ABout CD's again...where (in the New York/ New Jersey area) can I find
a good selection of CD's? (TOWER RECORDS has nothing interesting -
either didn't ever have it, or sold out)
ART OF NOISE video for 'Paranoimia" has Max Headroom (or whatever his
name is) in it... the British version of the 'CLose to the Edit'
video is also great. (they aren't as boring as 'Legs' or 'Moments in
Love') I also saw a live video of Peter Gunn...interesting...they had
PEOPLE! Tho' I don't know why they didn't just use a synth in place
of Duane Eddy. THere were three females doing the vocals - fed
through a synth...two percussionists...and the two people in the Art
of Noise. It wasn't bad at all.....*sigh* and they played the Ritz a
few days ago. Oh well.
Anyway, I think PiL is hitting Jersey soon...
"this is for when your flesh creeps and never comes back..."
...caip!unirot!fidelis
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 86 9:09:14 EDT
From: James B Hofmann <hof...@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Capital and Mob city radio
Re: Radio stations in the Balt/Wash area (sorry to non-regional folks,
I'll keep it short).
Sue's dead on about WHFS. Their worst programming occurs around the
peak hours and their best programming is late at night and weekends (J.B. and
some funkster guy (he mixes LL with Kate) are worth staying up for)
As for WCVT (89.7), I think they generally receive a bum rap from
WJHUers so I'll vouch for them. Their Friday afteroon-evening lineup is great
if you want to know what is going on in the area (included are clubs that
can't afford the high prices for a listing on WHFS) and caps it with a
local only show so one can get an idea of what the area has to offer in
way of music. Their signal is alot stronger than Sue implied. On a clear
day, I've recieved it as far north as Aberdeen and I've driven down to
Laurel, MD (outskirts of D.C.) with it still coming in clear. If you've
got a high-gain antenna and live around DC, I'm sure you should be able
to pick it up. Let me know if you do.
enough regional drivel,
love and bondage - jim h.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 86 16:18 PDT
From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS...@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: KaTchall
> Also - I do believe that the guitar Greg doesn't like on "Not this
>Time" is actually synthesizer. I'm not positive, but it sure sounds like
>one to me.
This is hard to believe (although an attractive idea). To these ears
there's little doubt that it's an electric guitar, albeit with a
distorted sound. If you're sure it's a guitar synth sound, could you
cite some other recording with a similar synthetic guitar sound?
Very interested.
>> IED would like to ask one thing,
>>however: WHY? WHY would you want to discuss
>>OTHER music than Kate's?
>Because this is a much better environment to discuss alternative music
>than the hostile net.music, filled with Rush and Broooce fans. Of
>course, we are all tied together by our common love for the great Kate,
>and everybody contributes Katenews and views, which just proves our
>common good taste!
O.K. Never having read any other co-operative but L-Hs, IED was
ignorant of the taste of net.music fans. Thanks for clarifying the
issue. In these circumstances, so far as IE is concerned, may the
floor remain wide open, with the sole stipulation that Springsteen,
Rush et al. enter into these proceedings when hell has thoroughly
frozen over. After all, one has to draw a line somewhere.
Incidentally, there has never been any secret that IED0DXM is Andrew
Marvick, who is having fun withd a pseudonymous anagram. Yes, it is
silly.
Get the following for irony: Kate's "video" for "RUTH" has passed into
the semi-finals for MTV's annual award for "best video by a female
performer", or whatever. The joke is that MTV NEVER SHOWED the
official promotional film, only the Wogan Show lip-synch performance.
While on vacation in the Dairyland (Wisconsin, to be precise), IED met
two people who noticed his KT t-shirt (the new U.S. one with the
rainbow-colored print of the HoL cover). One felt she should fill him
in on the details of Kate's career. "She was discovered by Peter
Gabriel, you know." The other had this to tell him: "Woh, dude. Kate
Bush, right? Woh. I don't like her album {this presumably a reference
to Kate Bush's FIFTH album}. It's all about a girlfriend of hers who
died of a heroin overdose. Rully self-indulgent. Hey, but she does a
rull sweet job on "Don't Give Up", though. Woh, dude, rad, etc., etc.,
etc...." This experience is related to emphasize the results of
acquiring a high profile in our homeland.
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