It's dead Jim

[Sphinx]

So what's up with the web site and it's vanishing domain, is this project officially dead? How the hell did this not make it into apache?

[Carlo Contavalli]

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Sphinx <li...@fullsack.com> wrote:
> So what's up with the web site and it's vanishing domain, is this project
> officially dead? How the hell did this not make it into apache?

The site unfortunately belongs to the company that originally
sponsored the project. Hopefully this will be sorted out over the next
week or two.

It's not dead yet, I just have very little time to work on this,
unfortunately, but still using mod-xslt on a few production sites.
I'm planning to allocate a largish chunk of time to work on this over
probably this weekend or next one.

Any help is welcome, though :)

Carlo

[Sphinx]

Whoa it's ALIVE! hahaha awesome. Your work is far too important to be allowed to fade away. I would be honored to assist in any fashion. I started to build it but was torn away to pay a few bills in a continuous integration ordeal just finished today. I have a few production sites that could really use it myself. Why it's not more popular is a mystery I ponder often and have a deep hunch about it being just not accessible to the sub-ninja skilled. I give presentations on it like http://www.meetup.com/HackerLab/events/104806862/?a=uc1_teXML/XSLT , people get all excited, can't wait and ask me what is the simple, quick and easy path to getting few transformations going of their own, point them at cocoon and they never get off the ground. Write a java servlet or CGI in C is my best advice lately and that is a sad state of affairs indeed sir, Can usually find me in irc://efnet.org/#caanoo really look forward to up and running with modxslt. Got roadmap? Need new site bandwidth? Need new site?

[Carlo Contavalli]

Hello,

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Sphinx <li...@fullsack.com> wrote:
> Whoa it's ALIVE! hahaha awesome. Your work is far too important to be
> allowed to fade away. I would be honored to assist in any fashion.

well, thanks :)

> I started
> to build it but was torn away to pay a few bills in a continuous integration
> ordeal just finished today.

congratulations, btw!

> I have a few production sites that could really
> use it myself. Why it's not more popular is a mystery I ponder often and
> have a deep hunch about it being just not accessible to the sub-ninja
> skilled.

yeah, I suspect the low popularity at this point has to do with me
having neglected the code for too long, just working on every once in
a while, not promoting the site, and not trying to build a community
around here.

> I give presentations on it like
> http://www.meetup.com/HackerLab/events/104806862/?a=uc1_teXML/XSLT , people
> get all excited, can't wait and ask me what is the simple, quick and easy
> path to getting few transformations going of their own, point them at cocoon
> and they never get off the ground. Write a java servlet or CGI in C is my
> best advice lately and that is a sad state of affairs indeed sir, Can
> usually find me in irc://efnet.org/#caanoo really look forward to up and
> running with modxslt. Got roadmap? Need new site bandwidth? Need new site?

In terms of bandwidth and hosting, I should be set. I'm just waiting
for a new server that will be setup soonish, I suspect I will end up
buying a new domain name.

In terms of roadmap, here's a very rough list:
- a new site with more web 2.0 graphics might help, the current one is
old (beside being offline). I was planning to put the source code of
the site (all in .xml + .xsl) on github between today and tomorrow
(spent some time cleaning it up).
- I'd like to have .deb and .rpm available for download, that may
require a bit more work.
- test with latest versions of apache, although on my laptop it is
still working.
- would support for another web server, like nginx, help here?
- I have a pending feature request for mod-xslt to use apache internal
functions to read files, so content-types, access control rules and
similar are obeyed.

What do you think would be important to work on? Suggestions? Any
feature anyone on the mailing list would like to have?

My short term TODO right now looks like:
1) share as much of what I have on my laptop, mod-xslt web site,
regression test suite. Upload to github or similar.
2) bring the site back up.
2) test with latest apache
3) address feature requests.


Thanks,
Carlo

> On Tuesday, 26 March 2013 15:11:07 UTC-7, Carlo wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Sphinx <li...@fullsack.com> wrote:
>> > So what's up with the web site and it's vanishing domain, is this
>> > project
>> > officially dead? How the hell did this not make it into apache?
>>
>> The site unfortunately belongs to the company that originally
>> sponsored the project. Hopefully this will be sorted out over the next
>> week or two.
>>
>> It's not dead yet, I just have very little time to work on this,
>> unfortunately, but still using mod-xslt on a few production sites.
>> I'm planning to allocate a largish chunk of time to work on this over
>> probably this weekend or next one.
>>
>> Any help is welcome, though :)
>>
>> Carlo
>

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[Bill MacArthur]

On 4/2/2013 12:22 PM, Carlo Contavalli wrote:
> - I have a pending feature request for mod-xslt to use apache internal
> functions to read files, so content-types, access control rules and
> similar are obeyed.
>
> What do you think would be important to work on? Suggestions? Any
> feature anyone on the mailing list would like to have?

I'm still rooting for that pending request. :)
To be able to do XSLT includes, multiple levels deep that retain the content negotiation for language selection at the top level would be wonderful. Unfortunately I am no C coder so I cannot lend a hand.

Bill MacArthur

[Carlo Contavalli]

Good you're still interested, I had it half done but never finished :).
Let's see if I can get it through for real this time.

Carlo

[Sphinx]

Couple features I would not mind seeing:

1)  follow processor directives like this:
http://www.fullsack.com/cocoon/samples/xsp/view-source.xml?filename=cocoon/tao/wisdom/book5.xml
so the configuration of the transformation configuration is not in httpd.conf but in the doc.

2) Contain the processing to a directory or location, like jk_mount behavior sort of if you know what I mean.

3) Is there still a issue with fetching stylesheets over a URL? Would add some sort of caching mechanism maybe.

Brilliant work on the install, getting this into the hands of the least skilled would be highest priority of all. Kudos. Always thought maybe a few more good simple examples might help in the popularity dept, here are my crib notes from the last meeting maybe something re-usable there; http://fullsack.com/xmlpres.html

I am a rather long storied C coder who'll hopefully have some bandwidth soon to pitch in here.
God speed.

I

Got stuck with the next presentation of saclug.org, was going to do it on a subclassed httpd server that serves up doc fragments for a servlet on another server to apply style to that creates an entire MMORPG seen here but I'd really like to introduce and demonstrate installing and using this instead.

[Carlo Contavalli]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Sphinx <li...@fullsack.com> wrote:
> Couple features I would not mind seeing:
>
> 1) follow processor directives like this:
> http://www.fullsack.com/cocoon/samples/xsp/view-source.xml?filename=cocoon/tao/wisdom/book5.xml
> so the configuration of the transformation configuration is not in
> httpd.conf but in the doc.

Are you talking about the <? xml-stylesheet preprocessing instruction?
mod-xslt supports quite a few of them already :) There should be a
section in the manual, look for <?xml-stylesheet
https://github.com/ccontavalli/mod-xslt/raw/master/doc/manual/manual.pdf

> 2) Contain the processing to a directory or location, like jk_mount behavior
> sort of if you know what I mean.

JkMount ... to send files matching a pattern for processing?
You can probably do it with:

<Directory ...>
AddOutputFilterByType mod-xslt text/xml
</Directory>

<Directory ...>
AddOutputFilter mod-xslt *.xml
</Directory>

> 3) Is there still a issue with fetching stylesheets over a URL? Would add
> some sort of caching mechanism maybe.

I believe so. That would probably improve a lot with the change for Bill.

> Brilliant work on the install, getting this into the hands of the least
> skilled would be highest priority of all. Kudos. Always thought maybe a few
> more good simple examples might help in the popularity dept, here are my
> crib notes from the last meeting maybe something re-usable there;
> http://fullsack.com/xmlpres.html

Good suggestion! Should probably put up more examples, maybe a
screencast or similar? showing a few pages.

> I am a rather long storied C coder who'll hopefully have some bandwidth soon
> to pitch in here.
> God speed.

That'd be great :)

> Got stuck with the next presentation of saclug.org, was going to do it on a
> subclassed httpd server that serves up doc fragments for a servlet on
> another server to apply style to that creates an entire MMORPG seen here but
> I'd really like to introduce and demonstrate installing and using this
> instead.

BTW, if you have any presentation / doc you'd like to share, maybe I
can link it from the web site? as soon as it's back up.