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Chaz Gatian

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May 25, 2017, 11:01:38 PM5/25/17
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I stumbled upon MochiKit for the first time tonight, and it completely blew my mind.

I started web development eight years ago, and have never heard of such a tool. It's so interesting to read the blogs, and issues from the past. From what I can tell this library seems like the first framework to try to solve all the different browser quirks, something I always thought jQuery was the first to accomplish. But now having learned about this framework, I might be VERY wrong!

If anyone still frequents this group please say something, I'm curious to know if anyone is still using this in applications today.

-Chaz

Bob Ippolito

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May 25, 2017, 11:04:40 PM5/25/17
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I don't think anyone is building anything new on MochiKit at this point. We sure did pioneer a lot of stuff people are doing today over a decade ago, but frankly all of the ideas are really just from other places outside the browser :)

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troels knak-nielsen

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May 26, 2017, 2:32:17 AM5/26/17
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Whoa. Blast from the past.

Mochi was way ahead of the curve 10 years ago. I used it last around 2009. At that point jquery had sort of taken the position, as I remember it.

For sake of a bit of code archeology, there were definitely other tool kits even before Mochi. I think xb (xbrowser?) was one of my go-to staples for a while.

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Arnar Birgisson

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May 26, 2017, 2:56:02 AM5/26/17
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Prototype was one of the main contenders towards the end, before jQuery took over. When I started using mochi it was between it and mootools however (winter 2005-2006). jQuery, and I think Prototype as well, came later. I distinctly remember picking mochikit because of its documentation and module structure.

Must say thanks to Bob, Thomas, and Per for putting it out and maintaining. It was an enormous value in my work back then, and I'm sure that code is still running at my old company.

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Simon Forster

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May 26, 2017, 3:38:28 AM5/26/17
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> On 26 May 2017, at 07:55, Arnar Birgisson <arn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Must say thanks to Bob, Thomas, and Per for putting it out and maintaining. It was an enormous value in my work back then,

Ditto.

> and I'm sure that code is still running at my old company.

The code eventually got retired but it hung in there for a long time.

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Chaz Gatian

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May 26, 2017, 8:26:09 AM5/26/17
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Sounds like there was quite a vibrant community of developers consuming the framework. I loved digging through the source code.

I actually stumbled upon this while viewing the JavaScript source in Google Photos.  Surprised to see such an old web framework is still used in portions of the latest websites.
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Arnar Birgisson

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May 26, 2017, 1:35:22 PM5/26/17
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Indeed: https://github.com/google/closure-library/blob/master/closure/goog/dom/dom.js#L16-L17

So I guess mochikit lives at my new employer too!

ab

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 5:26 AM, Chaz Gatian <chaz.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like there was quite a vibrant community of developers consuming the framework. I loved digging through the source code.

I actually stumbled upon this while viewing the JavaScript source in Google Photos.  Surprised to see such an old web framework is still used in portions of the latest websites.

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Bob Ippolito

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May 26, 2017, 3:40:53 PM5/26/17
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MochiKit was started specifically because Prototype didn't suit my needs and didn't have sufficient docs or tests :)

Chris Snyder

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May 26, 2017, 8:26:49 PM5/26/17
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Um, I still use it daily, on projects new and old. It gets the job done, and the logo makes me happy.

I charge extra if a client insists on jQuery. 

Bob Ippolito

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May 27, 2017, 6:25:28 PM5/27/17
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If you ever had any interest in taking over maintenance or contributing in any way, I'd be happy to let you run with it.

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Um, I still use it daily, on projects new and old. It gets the job done, and the logo makes me happy.

I charge extra if a client insists on jQuery. 

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I don't think anyone is building anything new on MochiKit at this point. We sure did pioneer a lot of stuff people are doing today over a decade ago, but frankly all of the ideas are really just from other places outside the browser :)
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 20:01 Chaz Gatian <chaz.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
I stumbled upon MochiKit for the first time tonight, and it completely blew my mind.

I started web development eight years ago, and have never heard of such a tool. It's so interesting to read the blogs, and issues from the past. From what I can tell this library seems like the first framework to try to solve all the different browser quirks, something I always thought jQuery was the first to accomplish. But now having learned about this framework, I might be VERY wrong!

If anyone still frequents this group please say something, I'm curious to know if anyone is still using this in applications today.

-Chaz

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