Favorite Minnesota images

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S and S Patterson

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Nov 24, 2005, 12:18:39 PM11/24/05
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I would love to see some of our favorite images from our area.  I will try to get things started with this shot taken in an old fish rearing pond about 3 blocks from my home (from last May).  Taken at sunset testing out a new (at that time) tamron 28-75 f/2.8 lens.  I really like the image, and how sharp this lens is for a very inexpensive, fast lens ($350 or so).  Exif is here via pbase:  http://www.pbase.com/spatterson/image/43230214
I addition to the exchange of information here, I would love to see other group members pictures, along with any information you may choose to give about the image.  For me, looking at other peoples shots is the best part of these forums (like dpreview).  Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
 
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Andy Cosgrove

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Nov 24, 2005, 1:12:56 PM11/24/05
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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone too. Steve, I have that Tamron lens too and I love it. Great value.

Here's one of my favorites taken in Stillwater early last winter of the lift bridge. Stillwater is my hometown.

Off to the relatives now! I'll check later.
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Steve

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Nov 24, 2005, 1:21:49 PM11/24/05
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Cool picture...snow looks like a blanket of fog.

rrut...@aim.com

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Nov 24, 2005, 5:10:55 PM11/24/05
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Hello, just seeing if this works. Here's a photo I took summer of '04
in the Lake Bemidji State Park.

exif info at: http://www.pbase.com/rruttger/image/35396991

Randy
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davev

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Nov 24, 2005, 6:46:03 PM11/24/05
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Hi all.
Because I try to take wildlife shots with no man-made stuff in them, I
guess I don't have a lot of shots
that are strictly Minnesota. But I do have a few.

Minnehaha Falls last spring.

Downtown St.Paul from the south end of the High Bridge.

National Cemetery

The firing of the cannon at Fort Snelling.
IMG_3699 the falls revisited.jpg
downtown stacked small_filtered.jpg
IMG_9438 nc 3.jpg
IMG_6493 Fort Snelling Cannon.jpg
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Steve

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Nov 24, 2005, 9:10:43 PM11/24/05
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Really a beautiful night image of Minneapolis....what was your exposure
time and f/?

Andy Cosgrove

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Nov 24, 2005, 9:12:20 PM11/24/05
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These are all great. I think Dave and I have been shooting in the same places. I have a very similar one to your skyline one (though the colors in yours looks nicer I think).

And Randy, those northern lights shots on your site are great. They never cease to amaze me.
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Steve

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Nov 24, 2005, 9:12:35 PM11/24/05
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St. Paul, I meant..............sorry.

davev

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Nov 25, 2005, 12:40:08 AM11/25/05
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Steve wrote:
> St. Paul, I meant..............sorry.

This was two pictures stacked in photoshop.

One was 20 seconds at F22. This give the lights the star look.
The other was 1 second and F5.6

rruttger

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Nov 25, 2005, 10:24:55 AM11/25/05
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Dave, I'm fascinated with your night shot of St. Paul and the method
you used to create it. Also loved your gallery and "Kate in the
Clouds" but more about that later. Tell me more about stacking in
PhotoShop. I've heard it is difficult to line up the images. Is there
a trick? Also did you use a filter to get the star effect on the f-20
shot, or does that just happen when the lens is stopped down?

You have a very nice gallery on Pbase. Very impressive shots. You did
an especially good job with "Kate in the Clouds" I don't have a
clue how you did it but I suspect you used a radial gradient to get the
image of Kate, matched up the colors and placed that layer on the cloud
shot. Am I close? Very well done!

Randy

Andy Cosgrove

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Nov 25, 2005, 12:04:13 PM11/25/05
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I'm curious, what did the f/5.6 shot add to the photo?

Justin Holmes

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Nov 25, 2005, 1:20:24 PM11/25/05
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I can't get the attachment process to work, so I'll just include some
links. All are shot with the D70 and the 18-70 kit lens (I think all
the water shots have a hoya CP as well)

Minnehaha Falls from the top
http://www.pbase.com/poliscijustin/image/52308871

And from the bottom
http://www.pbase.com/poliscijustin/image/51056895

Downtown overlooking loring park
http://www.pbase.com/poliscijustin/image/51430860

The basillica (I want to reshoot this one, it could be sharper)
http://www.pbase.com/poliscijustin/image/51430861

The new Walker
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~holm0385/walkersmall.jpg

Justin Holmes

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Nov 25, 2005, 1:22:33 PM11/25/05
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I love the winter waterfall shot. Looks like I'll be able to get a few
of those myself soon.

Justin Holmes

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Nov 25, 2005, 1:30:38 PM11/25/05
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I'm not 100% sure, but I would guess probably some crispness. I
notices that many of my longer exposure night shots are less sharp
because of lens diffraction from using a high f number and from the
amount of jitteriness introduced, even through a tripod) by keeping the
lens open for more than 20 seconds.

Dave, I too am curious about how easy it is to line up two shots with
different apertures. I know plenty of people will stack exposures to
extend the dynamic range, but I think most of them do it by adjusting
the shutter speed only to expose one image for the highlights and one
for the shadows. Those tend to be easy to line up if you are using a
good tripod.

The reason I am curious about apertures is that some adjustments seem
to changed the effective zoom lenght a tad. One technique I have been
playing with (and seen below) is to stack two exposures, one in focus,
one completely out and slightly oversaturated. This gives kind of a
cool diffuse glow to things, while allowing you to keep sharpness where
you want it (shot below is an example). The problem that I have had is
that at the same focal length, the field of view changes depending on
where it is focused. Not a ton, but enough that when I was adjusting
the opacity between the two layers, it kind of felt like I had a few
too many drinks. I've been told this Change in FOV is sometimes called
focus breathing and not uncommon (and a non issue except when you go to
do something like this...). I was just curious if changing the
apertures had similar problems?

http://www.pbase.com/poliscijustin/image/51056897

davev

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Nov 25, 2005, 2:18:54 PM11/25/05
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Well I hate to say this this, but I may have been wrong about what 2
photos I stacked. I have another one from that same shoot
that was 30 seconds long. Or I may have just stacked the same picture
twice, one before processing, one after. I don't remember.
I did that edit a year ago. Sorry.

Most of the time I only change the shutter speed if I'm going to stack
the shots. These were early on, when I first got the DSLR.
I looked at the larger picture, and there is some ghosting going on, so
I think you're right about not changing the aperture.

The star affect has do with the shape and how many blades there are in
the lens. I don't know the technical stuff behind it, but that's what
I've read.
This shot was: s25.0, f36, ISO 400

For Kate in the clouds, this was 2 pictures stacked again. I erased the
back part of her head, and added it to the cloud picture.
When I erased, I kind of followed along the lighter edge or thicker
cloud line to hide some of the rough erasing.


Capital In Motion.jpg
IMG_8439 kate in clouds 3.jpg

Andy Cosgrove

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Nov 25, 2005, 2:23:17 PM11/25/05
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This technique is common in Photoshop, where you set a layer to
gaussian blur and change the layer to overlay or soft light. It gives
you the same effect without needing two exposures. I use the technique
quite often since I recently learned it. I've never heard of actually
using two different frames. Kind of a neat idea that I would never have
though of. I suppose it was one used more often with film and before
digital editing?

Here's one of my more obvious examples of this use in landscape. It's
the old Cedar Avenue Bridge.

http://visualgratification.com/index.php?showimage=255

rruttger

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Nov 25, 2005, 2:29:43 PM11/25/05
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Justin, I liked your shots, I was not able to see what you are talking
about in your bridge and water shot. You said it is made from two
images, one with a soft focus. I guess the fact that I could not pick
out the fact that two images were used is a good thing, you must have
done a good job. Whatever it is, the effect worked.

Changing the focus does affect the magnification of the lens. The
Magnification of a lens is stated in millimeters as say 200mm. That
figure refers to the distance from the objective lens to the focal
plane. It is usually stated when the lens is focused at infinity. As we
focus a lens, we are moving the Objective lens closer or farther from
the focal plane so literally the lens gets a little more powerful as we
move the objective lens out and a little less powerful as we move it
in. The actual size of a modern camera lens can be much different from
the dimensions inferred by it's focal length. Lens makers use all sorts
of tricks, but if you used a simple lens to focus an image on your
focal plane, a 200mm lens would have it's objective lens exactly 200mm
from your film plane when focused at infinity. There should be no
change in focal length or image size when changing the aperture.

Could you get the effect you are looking for by applying a blur and
levels adjustment to an image then merging it back with the original
image?

Randy

rruttger

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Nov 25, 2005, 2:45:56 PM11/25/05
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Andy, I think I see the effect Justin was talking about in your image.
Was the bridge in sharper focus in the original shot? If so, that
Photoshop technique really makes this shot work. I'll have to try it.


Randy

Justin Holmes

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Nov 25, 2005, 3:17:44 PM11/25/05
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I've done a couple shots this way, and you don't much notice the
difference in focal it in the final shot if you keep the opacity of the
final shot under 30%. The overall effect of the technique is pretty
subtle, but the processed photo is more 3d feeling than the original
sharp version was. Worklow wise, I converted both shots from raw, and
made the OOF shot much more saturated and slightly overexposed (or else
I shot it overexposed by about 2/3 of a stop in the first place, I
don't recall now), and the sharp shot was a normal exposure, but over
sharpened a tad and with boosted contrast. You are absolutely right,
you can do the same thing (with less hassle) by making a second layer
in PS and applying a gaussian blur to it. It just happened before I
took this one, someone on DPreview had posted about it, so I gave it a
try.

Justin Holmes

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Nov 25, 2005, 3:18:52 PM11/25/05
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What did youuse for your B&W conversion? I like the shot, and am still
trying to find a b&w technique that really clicks with me.

joroho

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Nov 25, 2005, 4:10:06 PM11/25/05
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Nice photos everybody. Below is link to a photo I took on Wednesday on
my way home from work along Shepard Road in St. Paul. Not sure why it
struck me so,
but it seemed like it would make a neat photo. I also can't figure out
the attachment process. I tried sending an e-mail to
<mnp...@googlegroups.com> with "Favorite Minnesota images" in the
subject line and the photo attached to the body. No luck. What am I
doing wrong?

http://www.joroho.com/powerplant.jpg

.joroho.

Ben Franske

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Nov 25, 2005, 4:20:41 PM11/25/05
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I don't know that I really have any obvious Minnesota photos segregated
out but people can feel free to peruse my image galleries. You can find
my main gallery at:
http://ben.franske.com/gallery/
and some specialty indoor low-light concert photography at:
http://t1.franske.com/cjmedia/gallery/

If anything particular catches your eye please let me know as I'd be
curious as to what people like. You'll probably notice a few things,
one of which is that I rarely if ever do any post-processing (none of
the shots in the galleries are post-processed) my photos are usually
oportunistic and not planned shoots (no tripod, limited time to shoot,
etc) and I take a lot of different types of photographs. I also
resisted digital as a format until the 8MP DSLRs became cost-competitve
with 35mm SLRs.

joroho

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Nov 25, 2005, 5:21:21 PM11/25/05
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Some very nice photos in your portfolio, Ben. Thanks for the link.
I'm curious what software/service you used for creating your gallery.

.joroho.

Steve

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Nov 25, 2005, 9:05:05 PM11/25/05
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just guessing, but maybe the email was too big. Google limits the size
it will take. Try it with a smaller image size.

Ben Franske

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Nov 25, 2005, 9:15:15 PM11/25/05
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I use Gallery (http://gallery.menalto.com) which is a PHP software
program that runs on my webserver. I've been using it for at least four
years now, it's the best I've seen.

Dilemma

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Nov 25, 2005, 9:17:38 PM11/25/05
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Andy Cosgrove

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Nov 26, 2005, 3:40:07 PM11/26/05
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This should help to see what I'm talking about.

Here it is virtually unprocessed:
http://visualgratification.com/photos/file/cedar1.jpg

And here's the one with the "soft glow":
http://visualgratification.com/photos/file/cedar2.jpg

rruttger

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Nov 26, 2005, 6:41:11 PM11/26/05
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Justin, I'm not sure if you were asking me about the B&W conversion or
someone else. The State Park Lagoon photo was taken in B&W mode with My
Canon 20D. With the B&W mode you can also select "color filters". I
don't remember, If I was using a filter, but I often use red. Each
filter gives a slightly different effect. Red darkens a blue sky and
makes the clouds stand out. One of them, maybe it's green, makes trees
almost glow. It's fun.
Randy

Justin Holmes

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Nov 26, 2005, 6:58:24 PM11/26/05
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Aha, the d70 doesn't have a B&W mode, so you have to do it in post.
Fortunately, the new version of Capture has a good converter

Patrick Watson

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Nov 27, 2005, 5:14:33 PM11/27/05
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Musket Port view at Fort Snelling.

 

This was taken during the MN Photo Group’s first “Field Trip” to Fort Snelling. We saw a path leading up alongside the Fort – who wants to battle the burrs? All ‘3’ of us….

 

Pat

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