Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] copies / clones of cards

[Peter Bienstman]

Copying cards is indeed not implemented. Feel free to add this to our uservoice forum such that other people can vote for it too.

Peter

umsc...@gmail.com wrote:

let me explain..
I`m learning plants in the vocabulary-format, show recognition

foreign word: picture
Pronounciation: Name
Meaning: Family
Notes: notes

I would love to do copies of a single card as I want to show another picture in foreign word.
I tried building a clone with pic2, but there is still a single one card - the former card type with pic1 disappeared.

Anyone sees an opportunity doing copies?

thank you

Stef

[Henrik in Oslo]

Copy-edit would be very useful 

Also very nice would be 1) copy "front to back" cards 2) reverse back / front of copied card

(Typically in language learning it is good to learn front = New language first (passive vocabulary), then move on to front = mother tongue back = new language

/ Henrik

[Peter Bienstman]

What you're describing is exactly how the vocabulary card type works
:-)

Peter

[Scott Youngman]

There is already a request on the uservoice forum for copying cards

https://mnemosyne.uservoice.com/forums/164265-general/suggestions/2923970-make-it-possible-to-copy-a-card-adjust-it-and-sav

Rather than creating a new request, please add your vote to the 26 already given for this idea.

[Stefan Keller]

my vote for doing copies!

thx for your feedback

Stef

[Vit]

  To vote, you have to go to  another website as shown in Scott Youngman  post
https://mnemosyne.uservoice.com/forums/164265-general ..........
I have a vested interest in this too !
:-)

[Henrik in Oslo]

Hi Peter

Not quite...?

I would like to start with "passive learning"(from unfamiliar to familiar language) and only progress to "active learning" (from familiar to unfamiliar language) when my passive knowledge has reached a certain level. 

/Henrik

[Peter Bienstman]

Hi,

Vocabulary cards start with passive learning too, and only once you've graded the passive card a 2 will you start seeing the active card...

[Vit]

   Stefan Keller wrote:

".... I would love to do copies of a single card as I want to show another picture in foreign word...."
------------- Hi Stefan.
Have u thought about this very easy workaround, for now:
1.Make your daily amount of cards with one picture, but save BOTH.
2.Tag new cards "Pict2".
3.Export cards "Pict2"
4.Change tag (not in the text file - in the deck) "Pict2" to "Pict1"
5.Import
6.Activate cards "Pict2" only
7.Replace pictures using Cramming (to avoid grading)
8. :-) wait till 'Copy Card' is implemented - as I am.

 Good day.
PS. Why my last 2 lines have huge font? My default is still 'Normal'.

 

[Vit]

Henrik in Oslo wrote:

..."I would like to .... progress to "active learning" ... when my passive knowledge has reached a certain level."
------- Hi Henrik.
What exactly don't you like in the algorithm?
You can stay on "Recognition" side forever :-).
      What I don't like  are 2 things:
1. cards show up {most of time } either too soon or too late.  Both impede the memorizing progress.
2. Scheduling has no provision to show a card Next day {it may show up the next day but only when the unknown stars line up for that :-) }, or in 2,3,4,5 days, etc.

      But I devised a workaround to overcome these 2 'inconveniences'.
What are yours?
  Good day.

      

[Peter Bienstman]

On 02/14/2013 06:18 PM, Vit wrote:

> PS. Why my last 2 lines have huge font? My default is still 'Normal'.

Mnemosyne allows you to set different fonts for different fields in your
cards, so you must have accidentally changed that.

Go to settings - configure Mnemosyne - card appearance, then pick the
card type that is affected and change the fonts of each of your fields
to your heart's delight. You can also click 'default' to revert back to
the default.

Peter

[Peter Bienstman]

On 02/14/2013 06:48 PM, Vit wrote:
> What I don't like are 2 things:
> 1. cards show up {most of time } either too soon or too late. Both
> impede the memorizing progress.

If they show up too soon, grade them 5. If they show up too early, grade
them 2 or 3. That's exactly what these grades are for, since Mnemosyne
cannot telepathically look into your brain :-)

> 2. Scheduling has no provision to show a card Next day {it may show
> up the next day but only when the unknown stars line up for that :-)
> }, or in 2,3,4,5 days, etc.

There is some randomness in the scheduler, to help memorisation and to
help spread cards better. I don't see why it's important that the card
shows up the next day as opposed to the day after tomorrow.

Let me also quote Michael Campbell from our website:

----

I'm worried I'm doing it wrong!

Mnemosyne user Michael Campbell had this to say on the mailing list:

Having used Mnemosyne a few years now and watching this mailing list
pretty closely I've seen a topic surface over and over again; and that
is what happens if I do something outside the "perfect" parameters; the
2 biggest being "what if I miss days?", "oh my, I've graded a card
wrong; what do I do?". The answer is, "nothing". It's no big deal. Let
it go. If you graded it too HIGH, you may forget it next time, which
will be taken care of by your 0 or 1 grade when you next see it. If you
grade it too low, you'll see it earlier than you would have otherwise,
and what's the big deal? And for missed days, just do what you can when
you can. It can be shown that assuming you remember at least some of the
time from day to day, you can do 1 card a day and *eventually* get
through an arbitrarily large stack.

Ones memory is such a fluid dynamic thing that trying to curve-fit SM2
(or any algorithm) to it just isn't possible, or beneficial. Your memory
may kick ass today, and absolute shite tomorrow; no algorithm can hope
to model that. And each person is different too. I think these
fine-tuning exercises I see people attempting, while perhaps fun, are of
little to no actual benefit. The benefit comes from doing, not tweaking.
I'm sure Peter or Gwern have some studies at hand that might have more
information.

So, make a best effort on grading, and try to do it daily or at least as
often as you can, and it'll work fine. This isn't an optimization
exercise, it's just meant to reduce work that may not be necessary.

[Scott Youngman]

If a new user of Mnemosyne is already familiar with the strategy of the Spaced Repetition System (SRS) upon which it is built, then they probably won't have a problem with how it spaces out the cards over time: lesser-known cards are shown more often, better-known cards less often. The program adjusts the spacing or timing as the user's memory improves or degrades for each card.

But if a new user expects Mnemosyne to work like physical flashcards where any card may appear at any time, even if it is already known well, then the program may be frustrating. I suggest two remedies:

1. Learn something about how SRS works, for example this nice article http://www.xamuel.com/spaced-repetition-systems/

Then relax as Michael Campbell advises, and let the program dynamically adjust the spacing according to your performance.

2. If you feel you need extra time with particular cards, you can use Mnemosyne's cramming scheduler, or supplement with a written list, physical cards, etc. (Although if you just can't seem to learn a card after many attempts, it may be that it needs to be rewritten in better form -- see http://www.supermemo.com/articles/20rules.htm )