End Of Eternity And Time Travel
Tim Bruening
Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
obtain a matter duplicator which it used to duplicate Sections all the
way to the end of the world.
What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us
David Johnston wrote:
> time.
What if the Eternals generated a Temporal Field inside the Eternity
Temporal Field? Would that enable them to travel back to an
earlier physiotime?
ah
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ah
> You do realize you posted this to three other groups too?
> Checking your headers is a good idea too.
>
> 3ch
>
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, ah wrote:
>>
>> Epistemology is proscribed in demon.local
>>
>> Please see the FAQ. It's a good idea to read a while before posting.
>> --
>> ah
>>
>
Golly. Thanks.
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ah
Tim Bruening
ah wrote:
I just reread the FAQ and found no indication of any ban on Epistemology. Below
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Richard Schultz
: What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
: Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
According to the novel, that's not possible -- Eternity exists outside
of the passage of time in the regular universe, but physiotime is not
reversible.
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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
dwight...@gmail.com
> In alt.books.isaac-asimov Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> : What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
> : Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>
> According to the novel, that's not possible -- Eternity exists outside
> of the passage of time in the regular universe, but physiotime is not
> reversible.
At one point, Harlan almost encounters a later version of himself (and
of course, he later on almost encounters an earlier version.) Suppose
they step into into Eternity together at the same time; where will
they go? Either one will end up in an earlier physiotime, or one will
end up in a later physiotime.
Richard Schultz
:> : What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
:> : Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
:> According to the novel, that's not possible -- Eternity exists outside
:> of the passage of time in the regular universe, but physiotime is not
:> reversible.
: At one point, Harlan almost encounters a later version of himself (and
: of course, he later on almost encounters an earlier version.) Suppose
: they step into into Eternity together at the same time; where will
: they go? Either one will end up in an earlier physiotime, or one will
: end up in a later physiotime.
No, each will end up in Eternity at the physiotime appropriate to the
physiotime he is currently experiencing. If they were to meet and then
leave Time simultaneously, they would no longer be together when they
got into Eternity. It's like two people waiting at a bank of elevators.
If they get into two different elevators simultaneously, they will end up
on different floors even though each one got on his elevator at the same
time as the other. This is why I have said that _The End of Eternity_ makes
my brain hurt.
dwight...@gmail.com
> In alt.books.isaac-asimov dwight.thi...@gmail.com <dwight.thi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> :> : What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
> :> : Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>
> :> According to the novel, that's not possible -- Eternity exists outside
> :> of the passage of time in the regular universe, but physiotime is not
> :> reversible.
>
> : At one point, Harlan almost encounters a later version of himself (and
> : of course, he later on almost encounters an earlier version.) Suppose
> : they step into into Eternity together at the same time; where will
> : they go? Either one will end up in an earlier physiotime, or one will
> : end up in a later physiotime.
>
> No, each will end up in Eternity at the physiotime appropriate to the
> physiotime he is currently experiencing. If they were to meet and then
> leave Time simultaneously, they would no longer be together when they
> got into Eternity. It's like two people waiting at a bank of elevators.
> If they get into two different elevators simultaneously, they will end up
> on different floors even though each one got on his elevator at the same
> time as the other. This is why I have said that _The End of Eternity_ makes
> my brain hurt.
On what do you base this assertion? Is there some way Eternity tags
elementary particles so that they 'know' when they came from? If
Harlan II gets the drop on Harlan I, knocks him out, and lugs him off
to Eternity, Harlan I will not cross into the same physiotime? What
about items like books? If Harlan I drops off a book from his
physiotime into Noys' apartment, can Harlan II retrieve it can carry
it back into his own physiotime?
Suppose Harlan II changes clothes with Harlan I in the hopes of
impersonating his earlier double. Does Harlan II arrive naked?
Tim Bruening
Richard Schultz wrote:
> In alt.books.isaac-asimov dwight...@gmail.com <dwight...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> :> : What would happen if Eternity built a time kettle to travel back in
> :> : Eternity's physiotime to an earlier physiotime?
>
> :> According to the novel, that's not possible -- Eternity exists outside
> :> of the passage of time in the regular universe, but physiotime is not
> :> reversible.
>
> : At one point, Harlan almost encounters a later version of himself (and
> : of course, he later on almost encounters an earlier version.) Suppose
> : they step into into Eternity together at the same time; where will
> : they go? Either one will end up in an earlier physiotime, or one will
> : end up in a later physiotime.
>
> No, each will end up in Eternity at the physiotime appropriate to the
> physiotime he is currently experiencing. If they were to meet and then
> leave Time simultaneously, they would no longer be together when they
> got into Eternity. It's like two people waiting at a bank of elevators.
> If they get into two different elevators simultaneously, they will end up
> on different floors even though each one got on his elevator at the same
> time as the other. This is why I have said that _The End of Eternity_ makes
> my brain hurt.
What if the earlier Harlan grabs hold of the later Harlan and then activates the
"return to Eternity" device?
Wayne Throop
: Is there some way Eternity tags
: elementary particles so that they 'know' when they came from? If
: Harlan II gets the drop on Harlan I, knocks him out, and lugs him off
: to Eternity, Harlan I will not cross into the same physiotime? What
: about items like books? If Harlan I drops off a book from his
: physiotime into Noys' apartment, can Harlan II retrieve it can carry
: it back into his own physiotime?
:
: Suppose Harlan II changes clothes with Harlan I in the hopes of
: impersonating his earlier double. Does Harlan II arrive naked?
If Harlan II ate a meal Harlan I brought...
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Tim Bruening
Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
Tim Bruening
Eternals live and work, time passes, and the people grow older. This
passage of time is known as "physiotime". Andrew Harlan has spent two
physioyears teaching Cooper Primitive History, and the project to sent
Cooper back to the 24th century to invent time travel seems to have
taken several physiodecades. Early in Eternity's history in physiotime,
Eternity had painstakingly built up several hundred Sections when it
Dorothy J Heydt
Dunno, but Fritz Leiber's _The Big Time specifies that you can't
set up a secondary time-travel field inside a primary one. "Or,
as Gertie Stein might have put it, you can't time travel through
the time you travel in when you time travel."
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djh...@kithrup.com
Tim Bruening
Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
Why should Isaac Asimov be bound by Fritz Leiber's rules?
Dorothy J Heydt
No reason. But when you consider that both forms of time travel
are fictional, one guess is as good as another.